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From ryan at technorati.com Thu Feb 1 10:08:51 2007 From: ryan at technorati.com (Ryan King) Date: Thu Feb 1 10:08:56 2007 Subject: [uf-dev] nested @class="value" properties In-Reply-To: <45C15152.6030703@pallas.us> References: <45C15152.6030703@pallas.us> Message-ID: On Jan 31, 2007, at 6:32 PM, Derrick Lyndon Pallas wrote: > I asked about this in IRC today and Tantek asked me to send an > email to the list. The question is: is @class="value" recursive. > For instance, > >

> type > > foo > quux > bar > >

> > In this example, is the value of property "foo quux bar" or just > "foo bar"? Personally, I would expect it to be "foo bar" because > that's what I'd expect from the following fragment: See, I would expect it to bee "foo quux bar", because all three are text nodes of a node that has @class="value". I don't know if value excerpting should be recursive or not, because I don't know how authors would expect it to work. Do you have any examples from the wild of recursive value excerpting? -ryan -- Ryan King ryan@technorati.com From ryan at technorati.com Thu Feb 1 10:10:05 2007 From: ryan at technorati.com (Ryan King) Date: Thu Feb 1 10:10:09 2007 Subject: [uf-dev] and @xml:base In-Reply-To: <45C1562C.9080505@pallas.us> References: <45C1562C.9080505@pallas.us> Message-ID: <1B77882E-8EDF-4F1E-BB4C-812721CF2D69@technorati.com> On Jan 31, 2007, at 6:53 PM, Derrick Lyndon Pallas wrote: > What is the href of the anchor in the following document, which has > a base URL of "http://www.example.com/" > > > "http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/DTD/xhtml1-transitional.dtd"> > > > Confusing > > > > text > > > > Is it or www.example.com/bar/link.xml>? In other words, how does > interact with @xml:base? Is this question outside the scope of this > mailing list? ~D Honestly, I think the right answer is to ignore xml:base. Browsers don't implement it interoperably because it isn't specified in XHTML. I think we should remove the xml:base tests from the suite. (sorry, I was the one who put them there) -ryan -- Ryan King ryan@technorati.com From brian.suda at gmail.com Thu Feb 1 10:27:39 2007 From: brian.suda at gmail.com (Brian Suda) Date: Thu Feb 1 10:27:43 2007 Subject: [uf-dev] nested @class="value" properties In-Reply-To: References: <45C15152.6030703@pallas.us> Message-ID: <21e770780702011027m7da82519qcbcc36fc333ea06c@mail.gmail.com> On 2/1/07, Ryan King wrote: > On Jan 31, 2007, at 6:32 PM, Derrick Lyndon Pallas wrote: > > > I asked about this in IRC today and Tantek asked me to send an > > email to the list. The question is: is @class="value" recursive. > > For instance, > > > >

> > type > > > > foo > > quux > > bar > > > >

> > > > In this example, is the value of property "foo quux bar" or just > > "foo bar"? Personally, I would expect it to be "foo bar" because > > that's what I'd expect from the following fragment: > > See, I would expect it to bee "foo quux bar", because all three are > text nodes of a node that has @class="value". I would actually expect 'foo quux barfoobar' it would find the first value="foo quux bar" and then append the next two values "foo quux barfoobar" to the string. -brian -- brian suda http://suda.co.uk From derrick at pallas.us Thu Feb 1 19:10:47 2007 From: derrick at pallas.us (Derrick Lyndon Pallas) Date: Thu Feb 1 19:11:04 2007 Subject: [uf-dev] nested @class="value" properties In-Reply-To: <21e770780702011027m7da82519qcbcc36fc333ea06c@mail.gmail.com> References: <45C15152.6030703@pallas.us> <21e770780702011027m7da82519qcbcc36fc333ea06c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <45C2ABB7.1070105@pallas.us> Brian Suda wrote: > On 2/1/07, Ryan King wrote: >> See, I would expect it to bee "foo quux bar", because all three are >> text nodes of a node that has @class="value". > > I would actually expect 'foo quux barfoobar' it would find the first > value="foo quux bar" and then append the next two values "foo quux > barfoobar" to the string. > > -brian According to , "Sometimes only part of an element which is the equivalent for a property should be used for the value of the property. ... For this purpose, the special class name "value" is introduced to excerpt out the subset of the element that is the value of the property." Is "value" itself a property or just a marker? Because if it is a property in its own right, then it should apply to itself, i.e. it is recursive. If it is a marker, then I think Brian may be right and the wording should be changed to indicate this. (In hCard, it appears to be a property.) Taking a look at xhtml2vcard.xsl, it just takes the normalization of the text() nodes. However, the value of the element #ref is clearly "foo bar" in my original example and that's what I expect the include-pattern to include. ~D From bewest at gmail.com Thu Feb 1 19:11:28 2007 From: bewest at gmail.com (Benjamin West) Date: Thu Feb 1 19:11:32 2007 Subject: [uf-dev] nested @class="value" properties In-Reply-To: <45C15152.6030703@pallas.us> References: <45C15152.6030703@pallas.us> Message-ID: <8ad71be30702011911g5132ecfdt6f74f708c200f079@mail.gmail.com> This is really an include-pattern issue, isn't it? Should it be added to the wiki at ? The idea behind include is that this block: --------- >

> type > > foo > quux > bar > >

> Should be identical to... >

> foo > quux > bar >

> this block: -------------- >

> type > >