[microformats-discuss] hOffer

[Emiliano Martinez Luque]

Sorry, the document is clear, I guess I got carried away.. I can´t
believe I went through the wiki documentation and missed that. I
thought the whole thing was discussed here. Sorry about that, the
process makes absolute sense.
I´m also seing that maybe there´s a discrepancy bettween what trevor
is proposing and what I´m actually thinking about. Since Trevor is
talking about a listing type of offer (which may include an offer for
profesional services, or your used car) and I´m talking about an offer
of a comercial Item. I guess you could have a  basic format and extend
for different types of commercial offers.
I have experience with all types of ecommerce technologies (datafeeds,
amazon web services, wishlists, etc), I also have experience and have
been in contact with all type of e-commerce sites. I can help with the
documentation process.
Sorry, I got carried away. :-)
Emiliano Martínez Luque
TheThingsIWant.com

On 8/28/05, Ryan King <ryan at technorati.com> wrote:
> On Aug 27, 2005, at 9:39 PM, Emiliano Martinez Luque wrote:
> 
> > Hi all,
> 
> Hi Emiliano-
> 
> > I´m new to the list please excuse my english (It´s not my first
> > language and my english grammar and spelling tend to die when I´m
> > tired and it´s a little late here).
> > I welcome this proposal, it´s one of the reasons I joined the list.
> > I agree that commerce is becoming decentralized and we are also seing
> > small independent stores using blogging tools and tinkering CMS
> > systems to offer their wares on the net (for example:
> > http://www.questionablecontent.net/merch.php ). As payment systems
> > evolve and internet access spreads worldwide we could expect this
> > trend to continue since it is a cost effective way for small stores to
> > participate in the global marketplace. The benefits of having a
> > microformat for representing commercial offers are clear for matching
> > sellers to buyers as well as for all other of behaviours we have come
> > to expect from the web (recommendations, commercial products reviews,
> > wishlists, etc.).
> 
> yes, yes.
> 
> > I would first like to suggest that an optional photo should be
> > included in the proposal. And would also like to point out that some
> > currency specification should be included too, since '$89' could
> > represent 89 US Dollars, 89 Canadian Dollars, 89 Argentinian Pesos,
> > etc. If we want the data to be machine processable this ambiguity
> > should be resolved.
> 
> There are definitely great issues that will need to be raised at some
> point.
> 
> But, for now, I think we need to try and document how people
> currently *actually do listings* on the web. There's a lot of stuff
> to look at and collect.
> 
> As a sidenote, do we have any wikipages for this yet?
> 
> Let's take a look at current practice first (I'm sure people are
> posting photos and currency, right?). And feel free to add this stuff
> to a brainstorming page, once we get to that point.
> 
> As always, http://microformats.org/wiki/process is our guide here
> (and speak up of that document is unclear anywhere- I seriously wrote
> it in about 10 minutes).
> 
> -ryan
> 
> > Keeping with microformats philosophy of 'Designed for humans first and
> > machines second' I can see problems with the data being separated into
> > 2 different fields.
> > ie:
> > <span class="price">1.000,00</span>
> > <span class="currency">EUR</span>
> >
> > Since it would be displayed as 1.000,00 EUR when intuitively it should
> > be €1.000,00 .
> >
> > There is also the problems of:
> > a) French (1.000,00) vs Anglo (1,000.00) representation of
> > thousands and cents.
> > b) The currency sign might be at the beggining for some currencies
> > (ie: $17) and at the end for others (for example Korean Wons. See:
> > http://www.woori.com/planmall/elegan/Index.jsp )
> >
> > My first idea is that a simple parsable method could be to include the
> > currency on the class value itself. ie:
> >
> > <span class="price:EUR">€1.000,00</span>
> > <span class="price:USD">$1,000.00</span>
> > <span class="price:CAD">$1,000.00</span>
> > <span class="price:ARS">$1.000,00</span>
> >
> > The problem of the actual format of the currency representation could
> > be solved then by parsing the text node according to the specified
> > currency.
> >
> > Another option would be to have the value in the title attribute of an
> > abbr tag, ie:
> >
> > <abbr class="price" title="EUR 1.000,00">€1.000,00</abbr>
> > <abbr class="price" title="USD 1,000.00">$1,000.00</abbr>
> > <abbr class="price" title="CAD 1,000.00">€1,000.00</abbr>
> > <abbr class="price" title="ARS 1.000,00">€1.000,00</abbr>
> >
> > You might have noticed that I kept up with the different formats, I
> > believe this to be most intuitive, since again, you can parse the
> > price part of the title attribute´s value according to the currency
> > specified.
> >
> > This of course can by changed by deciding on a standard (Either French
> > or Anglo). But I can imagine a lengthy discussion on the merits and
> > benefits of each one... :-)
> >
> > Well, those are my 2 bits, have a nice weekend.
> > Emiliano Martínez Luque
> > TheThingsIWant.com
> 
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