[uf-discuss] Show Microformat Brainstorming

[Tantek Ç elik]

Charles,

I am emailing you directly on this because it appears you have not received
earlier email sent on this subject.

Regarding:

On 12/13/05 4:19 PM, "Charles Iliya Krempeaux" <supercanadian at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Hello,
> 
> On 12/6/05, Charles Iliya Krempeaux <supercanadian at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> [...]
> 
>> If you look at my weblog -- http://changelog.ca/ -- you can see a
>> couple XOXO lists where I list (some of) the shows I watch, and (some
>> of) the channels I watch.
> 
> I've created a wiki page for showrolls at:
> 
>   http://microformats.org/wiki/showroll-brainstorming

and

> Hello,
> 
> I've started a page for the "show brainstorming" on the wiki.  You can
> get to it via:
> 
>   http://microformats.org/wiki/show-brainstorming
> 
> 

First, please take a closer look at the microformats process.

 http://microformats.org/wiki/process


A few comments in particular.

1. Jumping straight to a *-brainstorming document is premature.  There
should first be a *-examples document where *real* *existing* examples of
the content being published on the Web are documented.  Second there should
be a *-formats document where previous/current *formats* that attempt to
solve the problem are documented.  Neither of these have been created, and
the process page is quite clear about this.

2. As far as I can tell, this is nothing but a link to a piece of media, in
particular video.  This is ignoring (since it doesn't even mention it),
several existing standards and microformats:

 a. To indicate that the type of data being linked to is video, use the
appropriate mime type, e.g. <a type="video/mpeg" href="show.mpg">...</a>

 b. rel-enclosure handles the "download this" semantic already.

There is nowhere near enough justification for a new microformat for this.

3. AFAIK, there has been no attempt to work with this within the current
media-metadata or video-metadata work/research.   Rather than inventing a
new media related microformat, please first understand existing work towards
media microformats, and work within that research.

  http://microformats.org/wiki/media-metadata-examples

This has been requested several times in this thread.

Rather than creating new pages for a specific type of media microformat,
please instead work on the media-metadata-* pages.  There has been a lot of
thinking by a lot of smart folks put into trying to figure out
media-metadata (even just links), and ignoring that is blatant violation of
the process -- don't ignore nor reinvent earlier work.


I also noticed this: http://microformats.org/wiki/microshow

1. See above problems.

2. Please do not create a microformat page for something for which there
isn't even a strawman specification in the *-brainstorming page.  Shell
pages like this one will be deleted.

Thanks,

Tantek