[microformats-discuss] xFolk 0.4
Ryan King
ryan at technorati.com
Sun Jul 10 20:37:56 PDT 2005
On Jul 10, 2005, at 7:29 PM, Bud Gibson wrote:
> Hi Eran:
>
> First off, xFolk has now graduated to RC1 and is on the wiki here:
>
> http://microformats.org/wiki/xfolk
>
> Your points still holds for the latest version, and I'm open to
> discussion on them. Let me provide a few reactions inline. I'll
> put these on the issues list also.
>
> On Jul 10, 2005, at 21:13, Eran wrote:
>
>
>>> From a semantic standpoint I find that "taggedLink" is
>>> misleading, the
>> tags are not comments on the link, they are comments on the _linked
>> page_ (as represented by its URL). The subject, if you will, is the
>> resource _pointed at_ by the link. To represent this concept
>> better we
>> should use a class name like "taggedResource" or even just "tagged".
>> This might look like nitpicking but we are, after all, discussing
>> semantics here.
>
> Back in xFolk 0.3, the class was actually called xTagged which hits
> at exactly what you are talking about. What might be the issue
> with using just the word "tagged" or "xTagged"? At the time, there
> was some discussion in email about just what was being tagged. At
> the end of the day, in a distributed web tagging system like xFolk
> or reltag, you need an address to point to because the data cannot
> be assumed to be on your site. The way to do this for items on the
> web is to point at a URL.
>
> I suppose one could say taggedurl, but isn't that the same as
> taggedlink?
I thin Eran is suggested a return to something like xtagged.
> Taggedresource seems less precise in light of this discussion as
> does tagged. And I do think we need to be precise here because in
> xFolk, we are talking about things with a web presence.
>
> In emerging standards like the geo microformat or even hReview,
> there is a notion that you may be talking about things that are not
> on the web. The interesting point there, is that the web seems to
> be frequently assumed as a way of resolving their location.
>
>> As a follow-up, I'd like to bring up a question: would it be
>> possible to
>> use class="tagged" on different types of elements? Say, an IMG, or
>> even
>> just a SPAN? That would make it easier to tag rich-media objects in
>> their "natural form", improving the microformats readability for
>> people
>> (when looking at a tagged image I expect to see an image not a
>> link to
>> one).
>
> I see no immediate reason not to take the <img> element into
> account. This is a very good point. As for <span>, I see it
> potentially having an identification issue as I discussed above.
> As a side note, in a discussion of semantics, <span> seems to be
> the least semantic of elements.
Span's could also be done as a link:
<span title="mypermalink" class ="tagged"> the thing you're taggin' </
span>
Of course, if you're doing author-tagging inline, you don't even
really need xFolk, you could just use rel-tag.
-ryan
> I'd like to hear some other opinions on both of these if people
> have any views. Eran, what's your reaction to the whole link
> discussion?
>
> Bud
>
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