[microformats-discuss] Video Pop-up Link Maker

Wed Oct 12 11:19:06 PDT 2005

Is the vcard information *always* doing to denote the name of the author
of the media object? Or would I nest the vcard information within the
video microformat information itself, so the relationship would be
implicit that way?

thanks!

lisa

> On Oct 12, 2005, at 11:02 AM, Lisa Rein wrote:
>
>> I agree entirely -- It's the videobloggers who this has to appeal
>> too -- I
>> just want to remain compatible with the existing systems.
>>
>> josh suggested something like this:
>>
>> <a href=[URL of video] title=[title of video] type=[mime-type]
>>  rel="enclosure">
>>  <img src=[URL of thumbnail image] class="thumbnail" />
>>  </a>
>>
>> i think that would be great! I'd start using the tool right away, and
>> encourage others to do so.
>>
>> of course, "author" would be great too
>
> <address class="vcard">..</address>
>
> All the magic is already there. :D
>
>> (it can always resolve to "creator"
>> on the back end, for those who need it to) - that's the point of my
>> "harmonization" suggestion -- and perhaps I could have made that point
>> better:
>>
>> As long as the objects are modeled relatively the same, one persons
>> "author" can be another persons "creator." (Personally, "creator" has
>> always made me chuckle -- like it sounded like it was coming from the
>> Ohmighty, er something :-)
>>
>> anyway - let's keep going with this guys! I'd like to start
>> implementing
>> to help put the ideas out there.
>
> Please contribute any markup examples you have.
>
> We need to persist markup examples on the wiki- for the benefit of
> others in this community who aren't domain experts and as a defensive
> measure in the future, so that we can show the entire paper trail of
> developing the microformat.
>
>> BTW -- I've seen a working hcalendar implementation -- and I done
>> drunk
>> the koolade! (hee haw)
>
> There's actually a bunch of them:
>
> http://microformats.org/
> http://tantek.com/log/
> http://www.corante.com/getreal
> http://upcoming.org
> http://evdb.com
> http://eventful.com
>
> Shall I continue? :D
>
> -ryan
>
>> http://we05.com/program.cfm
>> goes into the form here:
>> http://suda.co.uk/projects/X2V/
>>
>>
>> thanks!
>>
>> lisa
>>
>>
>>
>>> Most commonly, videobloggers use very simple markup for their
>>> video posts.
>>> Here is a video tutorial from http://FreeVlog.org that teaches people
>>> how to use Blogger and OurMedia to create a videoblog: <
>>> http://freevlog.org/tutorial/post.htm >
>>>
>>> The way they teach it, you upload an image with Blogger and make it
>>> link to your video on OurMedia using the tools provided in the
>>> Blogger
>>> GUI: upload image, select image and press the link button, paste in
>>> the link that was copied from OurMedia and you're done without ever
>>> having dealt with HTML.
>>>
>>> This is not the most semantically structured markup in the world, but
>>> if you simply add rel="enclosure" and a few other attributes to the
>>> <a> tag, then you've got something like this:
>>>
>>> <a href=[URL of video] title=[title of video] type=[mime-type]
>>> rel="enclosure">
>>> <img src=[URL of thumbnail image] class="thumbnail" />
>>> </a>
>>>
>>> Some people embed the videos in their blog posts, but not many do
>>> that
>>> as it requires a greater facility with HTML. Not very many people use
>>> pop-ups like I've done here as it requires knowledge of javascript in
>>> addition to HTML, though I believe it makes for a better viewing
>>> experience on the web, not to mention I'm eliminating the need to
>>> make
>>> a new pop-up window for each video by allowing the video URL to be
>>> passed in dynamically:
>>>
>>> < http://joshkinberg.com/popupmaker/ >
>>>
>>> Perhaps some of these other elements like Creator, Duration, Date,
>>> etc... could be handled by wrapping this basic construct above within
>>> a <div> and including other Microformats inside, like hCard,
>>> hCalendar, relTag, relLicense, relPayment, etc.
>>>
>>> My perspective may also be slanted because I am thinking from the
>>> point of view of the videoblogging community, which has different
>>> concerns than most mainstream media outlets when it comes to
>>> publishing video online.
>>>
>>> When it comes to mainstream media, they tend to use embedded video,
>>> often streaming, and done in such a way so as to make it very
>>> difficult, if not impossible, to reverse engineer the direct URL to
>>> the media (as if to say, "you will not link to our video no matter
>>> how
>>> hard you try... we will destroy our own google ranking, thank you
>>> very
>>> much!").
>>>
>>> Porn video sites on the other hand probably account for most of the
>>> video content on the Internet (surprise surprise). They seem to use
>>> the basic videoblogger construct above... image links pointing
>>> directly to the video source.... at least that's for the free
>>> content,
>>> I'm not a paying customer so I don't know if the for-pay video is
>>> handled any differently mark-up wise.
>>>
>>>
>>> -josh
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 10/12/05, Ryan King <ryan at technorati.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Oct 11, 2005, at 7:51 PM, Joshua Kinberg wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Just wanted to share a small project I launched today... I modified
>>>>> the javascript hCard Creator to make a wizard to generate pop-up
>>>>> links
>>>>> for videobloggers. If there was a microformat for describing
>>>>> media I
>>>>> would be happily to incorporate it into this (rel="enclosure" is in
>>>>> there).
>>>>>
>>>> On the subject of a media-metadata microformat, here's what I think
>>>> is holding things up...
>>>>
>>>> We have a good deal of coverage on previous (explicit) schemas/
>>>> formats. But, we don't (unless I've missed it) have any
>>>> documentation
>>>> of implicit schemas/formats as expressed in how people (podcasters,
>>>> vloggers, etc) mark this stuff up.
>>>>
>>>> David Janes has been working on this kind of research for blog
>>>> formats, it'd be great to have it for media as well.
>>>>
>>>> -ryan
>>>>
>>>> PS- The project's really cool. :D
>>>> --
>>>> Ryan King
>>>> ryan at technorati.com
>>>>
>>>>
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>>
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> Ryan King
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>
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