[microformats-discuss] Video Pop-up Link Maker

Joshua Kinberg jkinberg at gmail.com
Wed Oct 12 11:48:58 PDT 2005 

Here's what I think, which is basically outlined in the table on the
wiki located here:
< http://microformats.org/wiki/media-metadata-examples >
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<div class="enclosure">
    <a href=[URL of video] title=[title of video] type=[mime-type]
rel="enclosure">
        <img src=[URL of thumbnail image] class="thumbnail" />
    </a>
    <abbr class="duration" title="00:27:35">27 minutes, 35 seconds</abbr>
    [hCard of XFN for roles of creators/authors]
    [hCalendar for date of creation]
    [relLicense for license info]
    [relTag for category/taxonomy info]
    [relPayment for payment info]
    <blockquote>[description of video]</blockquote>
</div>
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Multiple relEnclosure links within the <div> should be the same video
content, but perhaps different formats or resolutions.

Multiple <div class="enclosure"> elements may be used so long as each
<div> is a different piece of video content (e.g. do not ue additional
<div>'s for the same video at different resolutions)

But... this is a lot of data that we're asking people to enter.
Imagine all those form fields staring at you on a webpage. I'm not
saying that it wouldn't be good to have all that data and an easy way
to input it, but the chance that someone would actually fill out all
those *optional* fields might be rather slim.

The core of the thing... the image link with relEnclosure may be the
most common usage scenario satisfying probably 80% of the needs of
most independent video publishers/videobloggers.

-Josh


On 10/12/05, Lisa Rein <lisa at lisarein.com> wrote:
> Is the vcard information *always* doing to denote the name of the author
> of the media object? Or would I nest the vcard information within the
> video microformat information itself, so the relationship would be
> implicit that way?
>
> thanks!
>
> lisa
>
>
> > On Oct 12, 2005, at 11:02 AM, Lisa Rein wrote:
> >
> >> I agree entirely -- It's the videobloggers who this has to appeal
> >> too -- I
> >> just want to remain compatible with the existing systems.
> >>
> >> josh suggested something like this:
> >>
> >> <a href=[URL of video] title=[title of video] type=[mime-type]
> >>  rel="enclosure">
> >>  <img src=[URL of thumbnail image] class="thumbnail" />
> >>  </a>
> >>
> >> i think that would be great! I'd start using the tool right away, and
> >> encourage others to do so.
> >>
> >> of course, "author" would be great too
> >
> > <address class="vcard">..</address>
> >
> > All the magic is already there. :D
> >
> >> (it can always resolve to "creator"
> >> on the back end, for those who need it to) - that's the point of my
> >> "harmonization" suggestion -- and perhaps I could have made that point
> >> better:
> >>
> >> As long as the objects are modeled relatively the same, one persons
> >> "author" can be another persons "creator." (Personally, "creator" has
> >> always made me chuckle -- like it sounded like it was coming from the
> >> Ohmighty, er something :-)
> >>
> >> anyway - let's keep going with this guys! I'd like to start
> >> implementing
> >> to help put the ideas out there.
> >
> > Please contribute any markup examples you have.
> >
> > We need to persist markup examples on the wiki- for the benefit of
> > others in this community who aren't domain experts and as a defensive
> > measure in the future, so that we can show the entire paper trail of
> > developing the microformat.
> >
> >> BTW -- I've seen a working hcalendar implementation -- and I done
> >> drunk
> >> the koolade! (hee haw)
> >
> > There's actually a bunch of them:
> >
> > http://microformats.org/
> > http://tantek.com/log/
> > http://www.corante.com/getreal
> > http://upcoming.org
> > http://evdb.com
> > http://eventful.com
> >
> > Shall I continue? :D
> >
> > -ryan
> >
> >> http://we05.com/program.cfm
> >> goes into the form here:
> >> http://suda.co.uk/projects/X2V/
> >>
> >>
> >> thanks!
> >>
> >> lisa
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>> Most commonly, videobloggers use very simple markup for their
> >>> video posts.
> >>> Here is a video tutorial from http://FreeVlog.org that teaches people
> >>> how to use Blogger and OurMedia to create a videoblog: <
> >>> http://freevlog.org/tutorial/post.htm >
> >>>
> >>> The way they teach it, you upload an image with Blogger and make it
> >>> link to your video on OurMedia using the tools provided in the
> >>> Blogger
> >>> GUI: upload image, select image and press the link button, paste in
> >>> the link that was copied from OurMedia and you're done without ever
> >>> having dealt with HTML.
> >>>
> >>> This is not the most semantically structured markup in the world, but
> >>> if you simply add rel="enclosure" and a few other attributes to the
> >>> <a> tag, then you've got something like this:
> >>>
> >>> <a href=[URL of video] title=[title of video] type=[mime-type]
> >>> rel="enclosure">
> >>> <img src=[URL of thumbnail image] class="thumbnail" />
> >>> </a>
> >>>
> >>> Some people embed the videos in their blog posts, but not many do
> >>> that
> >>> as it requires a greater facility with HTML. Not very many people use
> >>> pop-ups like I've done here as it requires knowledge of javascript in
> >>> addition to HTML, though I believe it makes for a better viewing
> >>> experience on the web, not to mention I'm eliminating the need to
> >>> make
> >>> a new pop-up window for each video by allowing the video URL to be
> >>> passed in dynamically:
> >>>
> >>> < http://joshkinberg.com/popupmaker/ >
> >>>
> >>> Perhaps some of these other elements like Creator, Duration, Date,
> >>> etc... could be handled by wrapping this basic construct above within
> >>> a <div> and including other Microformats inside, like hCard,
> >>> hCalendar, relTag, relLicense, relPayment, etc.
> >>>
> >>> My perspective may also be slanted because I am thinking from the
> >>> point of view of the videoblogging community, which has different
> >>> concerns than most mainstream media outlets when it comes to
> >>> publishing video online.
> >>>
> >>> When it comes to mainstream media, they tend to use embedded video,
> >>> often streaming, and done in such a way so as to make it very
> >>> difficult, if not impossible, to reverse engineer the direct URL to
> >>> the media (as if to say, "you will not link to our video no matter
> >>> how
> >>> hard you try... we will destroy our own google ranking, thank you
> >>> very
> >>> much!").
> >>>
> >>> Porn video sites on the other hand probably account for most of the
> >>> video content on the Internet (surprise surprise). They seem to use
> >>> the basic videoblogger construct above... image links pointing
> >>> directly to the video source.... at least that's for the free
> >>> content,
> >>> I'm not a paying customer so I don't know if the for-pay video is
> >>> handled any differently mark-up wise.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> -josh
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On 10/12/05, Ryan King <ryan at technorati.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> On Oct 11, 2005, at 7:51 PM, Joshua Kinberg wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>> Just wanted to share a small project I launched today... I modified
> >>>>> the javascript hCard Creator to make a wizard to generate pop-up
> >>>>> links
> >>>>> for videobloggers. If there was a microformat for describing
> >>>>> media I
> >>>>> would be happily to incorporate it into this (rel="enclosure" is in
> >>>>> there).
> >>>>>
> >>>> On the subject of a media-metadata microformat, here's what I think
> >>>> is holding things up...
> >>>>
> >>>> We have a good deal of coverage on previous (explicit) schemas/
> >>>> formats. But, we don't (unless I've missed it) have any
> >>>> documentation
> >>>> of implicit schemas/formats as expressed in how people (podcasters,
> >>>> vloggers, etc) mark this stuff up.
> >>>>
> >>>> David Janes has been working on this kind of research for blog
> >>>> formats, it'd be great to have it for media as well.
> >>>>
> >>>> -ryan
> >>>>
> >>>> PS- The project's really cool. :D
> >>>> --
> >>>> Ryan King
> >>>> ryan at technorati.com
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
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> >>
> >> Lisa Rein
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> >> http://www.widehive.com
> >> http://www.lisarein.com
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> > --
> > Ryan King
> > ryan at technorati.com
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
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