[uf-discuss] Citation: next steps?

Timothy Gambell timothy.gambell at aya.yale.edu
Thu Aug 31 20:18:36 PDT 2006

On Aug 31, 2006, at 11:52 AM, Bruce D'Arcus wrote:

> Hmm .. is an illustrator a creator or a secondary contributor?

I'd say that's a matter of the item you're citing and your point of  
view. There are books where the illustrator is the primary creator,  
and the author is a secondary contributor (Many artist portfolio  
coffee table books fall into this category). There are books where  
author and illustrator deserve equal billing (For (regrettably  
obscure) example: Kenneth Koch (author) and Alex Katz (Illustrator)  
get equal billing as primary creators of their work Interlocking Lives).

So hCite should permit multiple creators, and use role for  
clarification purposes. And I totally agree that in many works there  
are primary and secondary creators. I like your proposal:

> Yeah, I was thinking that, though the general approach is to just use
> "contributor." So if the role-based approach, I'd then say probably
> have creator and contributor, with an optional role.
> Typically, in citations, one only includes role labels for
> non--primary roles (translator, editor, etc.) though.

creator + role for primary creators and contributor + role for non- 
primary creators, as you propose, really allows for the flexibility  
that a good citation format needs (in those Best American  
compilations, for example, editor is really the primary creator, and  
authors are contributors).

> hCard has a role term, though I don't know if it is consistent with  
> this?

Certainly an appealing possibility. Unless the proprietors of hCard  
object, I think we should use it. Do you agree?

> It is; really more a "producer". The DC group considers it a
> contributor, and has wanted to get rid of dc:publisher and use that
> instead.

Dropping publisher and marking it up as a contributor with a role of  
publisher sounds like a good proposal to me.

The drawback is in cases where you want to mention the publisher  
without indicating their role (as in a conventional bibliographic  
citation, where the roles are implied by position, punctuation, and  
type style). Do you just use CSS to hide .role? Is there another way  
of putting role into the markup so that you don't have to display it  
to say it?


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