[uf-discuss] Microformats: working group vs. meme

Andy Mabbett andy at pigsonthewing.org.uk
Tue Dec 12 12:35:15 PST 2006

In message <457EB0D2.20609 at municorps.org>, Mark Murphy
<mmurphy at municorps.org> writes

>I think what Mr. Schinkel and Mr. Mabbett are running into is the
>apparent schism between microformats-as-working-group and

Perhaps, though that hasn't troubled me much, so far.

>Microformats.org specifies a process plus a scope delimiter ("paving
>the cow paths") which are perfectly reasonable for a working group. In
>fact, in many ways, they're exemplary. However, they are more or less
>orthogonal to the microformats meme as expressed on the
>microformats.org home page:
>"Designed for humans first and machines second, microformats are a set
>of simple, open data formats built upon existing and widely adopted

I've never liked that wording, which is vague to the point of being
unhelpful. Far better definitions have been provided by members of "the

>when Mr. Mabbett added unAPI references to the wiki, he was
>(presumably) doing so to document a use of the meme;

Perhaps - I was certainly doing it allow the community to see what was
happening, to debate it, document it and influence it, in an open and
equitable manner.

>that page was then deleted (presumably) because it wasn't documenting
>an action of the working group.

Nowhere on the "how to play" page, at the time of my action, was that
expressed as a requirement. There are several pages on the wiki now,
which do not do so.

>-- Limit microformats.org to only those things that follow the process.
>In this case, somebody will eventually try to fork the meme, as there
>will be those who want to do microformats-esque things that don't fit
>the working group, and those microformats-esque things need a name
>that's cleaner than "microformats-esque".

Even if that path is chosen, documenting, debating and, if necessary ,
refuting (or even adopting and encompassing) the work of others, such as
the initiative I descried, need not be excluded.

Andy Mabbett
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