[uf-discuss] Re: DOM scripting as an alternative to include-pattern?

[Michael Leikam]

Scott, Thanks for the link to microtemplates.  That looks
useful and has given me an idea.

Tantek, I'll have to cook on your reply.  Thanks for the
followup.

-ml

--- Scott Reynen <scott at randomchaos.com> wrote:

> On Jun 5, 2006, at 12:27 PM, Michael Leikam wrote:
> 
> > could you (or anybody else really)
> > explain a little more about the differences you see
> between
> > supporting DOM manipulation during the parsing, as I've
> > suggested, and supporting include-patterns?
> 
> The include pattern describes simple behavior (include
> the referenced  
> fragment).  DOM manipulation is one specific
> implementation of that  
> behavior, and much more beyond it.
> 
> > What is the difference between defining a data
> > format and defining what people do with that data
> format
> > (i.e., what that data format is used for)?
> 
> I think the important difference is that the former makes
>  
> communication easier and the latter makes communication
> more difficult.
> 
> > But in order for the parser
> > to generate the target format, you've defined this
> > procedure:
> > ---------
> > if class is "include", grab the referenced node
> including
> > descendants and replace the current node with the
> > referenced one.
> > ---------
> 
> I think the HTML spec pretty much defines this procedure:
> 
> http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/struct/objects.html#adef-data
> 
> "This attribute may be used to specify the location of
> the object's  
> data ... a serialized form of an object which can be used
> to recreate  
> it."
> 
> Maybe this is a good example of why specs shouldn't be
> repeated.
> 
> > The sort of markup I had in mind was something like
> this:
> > ---------
> > <div id="company">
> >   <div class="hcard">
> >     <h1 class="fn org">Michael's Webby Widgets</h1>
> >     <div class="adr">
> >     <span class="locality">Los Angeles</span>
> >     </div>
> >   </div>
> > </div>
> > <div class="hcard" onUFparseEvent="add_org_and_city()">
> >   <div class="fn">Michael Leikam</fn>
> >   <a class="email" href="mailto:me at foo.bar">
> > </div>
> > ---------
> 
> This is invalid XHTML.  There is no onUFparseEvent
> attribute for div  
> tags.  We can't just add arbitrary attributes to XHTML,
> and  
> especially not if we expect anyone else to understand
> what we're  
> trying to communicate.
> 
> > Adding an ID to span.locality, which I think
> > is how include-pattern wants to handle this, isn't
> > appealing because I'd want to use a generic hcard
> generator
> > for any contact information.
> 
> I don't think that's what the include pattern is for. 
> You might want  
> to look at microtemplates, as it seems to be more what
> you're after:
> 
> http://microtemplates.org/
> 
> > But from the replies I've
> > gotten, it sounds like this is the beginning of a
> > discussion and not something that is already ongoing.
> 
> The inclusion pattern is a relatively new introduction to
>  
> microformats.  The object tag is older than microformats.
>  The  
> principle of separating markup from functionality is
> older than  
> microformats.
> 
> Peace,
> Scott
> 
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