[uf-discuss] Citation format straw proposal on the wiki

Wed Mar 29 11:56:19 PST 2006

On 3/29/06, brian suda <brian.suda at gmail.com> wrote:
> I still have to review all the emails that have been pouring in, but
> this one struck me. We should clarify something before things get too
> far along.
>
> By putting the [type] in <x class="citation [type]"> we are hiding data,
> this something that microformats strive to avoid. A simple solution
> would be to bring the [type] value out into visible data.
>
> <x class="citation">
>     <x class="type">(enumerated list of possible types here)</x>
>     <!-- you could also achieve a similar effect with the ABBR element -->
>     <abbr class="type" title="(enumerated list of possible types
> here)">Free Text here!</abbr>
>     ...
> </x>
>
> i'll try to comb through all the emails so far and draft a sort of synopsis.

Cool, I assume the synopsis will go on the wiki?

> Another thing that really helped some hCalendar discussion was to plan
> an IRC meet-up, We all selected a time when we could meet online and
> knocked-out several of issues at once. Would folks be up for that? if so
> i can get a sort of agenda together about loose ends and coordinate a time.

That sounds like a great idea. Especially if we can wait until after
next Monday to do it :)
I'm really interested in being involved, but I really need to turn off
the email now and get back to writing until Monday. After then, I'm
in.

-mike

> Alf Eaton wrote:
> > OK, so a minimal microformat for a citation could look like this:
> >
> > <x class="citation [type]">
> >     <x class="title">Item title</x>
> >     <x class="creators"><hcards></x>
> >     <x class="container citation [type]"><hcitation for the
> > container></x>
> >     <x class="pages">n-n</x> [and anything else specific to this
> > particular type of citation]
> > </x>
> >
> > I think that's essentially very similar to Mike's version too.
> >
> > alf.
> >
> > On 29 Mar 2006, at 14:20, Breton Slivka wrote:
> >
> >> True, but a mechanism for this sort of thing already exists for
> >> microformats in XMDP, and in a somewhat more flexiible form, in that
> >> one does not need a monolithic profile for all the modules involved,
> >> one can have a seperate profile for each module and link to each
> >> seperately.
> >>
> >> The basic thrust of this is to follow the microformat principal of
> >> solving the simple problem first. Out of all these specific domains
> >> exists a definite "simplest problem". The only dispute that I see is
> >> that the simplest problem doesn't solve all the domain specific
> >> problems. You wouldn't expect it to! So you make additional
> >> microformats to solve the domain specific issues. Thus the "micro" in
> >> microformats, as I understand it.
> >>
> >> On Mar 29, 2006, at 12:13 PM, Alf Eaton wrote:
> >>
> >>> On 29 Mar 2006, at 14:02, Breton Slivka wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> If we are for the moment to entertain the idea of modularization,
> >>>> couldn't type then be simply inferred by which module(s) in use? If
> >>>> you go with a nesting microformat model for that, type is
> >>>> encapsulated entirely in the container class of specific modules,
> >>>> and the modules which are in use determine behavior, much the same
> >>>> as embedded svg/mathml does today, or a more direct comparison in
> >>>> the modularization of xhtml.
> >>>
> >>> If you embed MathML and SVG in XHTML you still have to use the right
> >>> DOCTYPE, so that the validator knows which modules are allowed
> >>> (though admittedly you don't necessarily need the precise DOCTYPE
> >>> just for displaying/interpreting the document):
> >>>
> >>> <!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC
> >>>     "-//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.1 plus MathML 2.0 plus SVG 1.1//EN"
> >>>     "http://www.w3.org/2002/04/xhtml-math-svg/xhtml-math-svg.dtd">
> >>>
> >>> alf.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
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