[uf-discuss] hCite progress
jeremyboggs at gmail.com
Tue Nov 14 09:23:04 PST 2006
On Nov 13, 2006, at 3:11 PM, Bruce D'Arcus wrote:
> Page count is only relevant to publishers and book stores (maybe).
Page count is also important in academic and non-academic reviews of
books, specifically when the review prints the information of the
book in question. See the NY Times review of _Ghost Map_  as one
THE GHOST MAP: The Story of London’s Most Terrifying Epidemic — and
How It Changed Science, Cities, and the Modern World. By Steven
Johnson. 299 pp. Riverhead Books. $26.95.
This is a very common citation format for book reviews. I'd be glad
to gather evidence on this if need be.
> Do we want to then include ways to encode the length of a CD or a
> DVD film or an HTML document? I think not, particularly when there
> are more important issues to worry about.
Me not knowing what other important issues are aside, I do think we
should include ways to encode the length of a CD or DVD...length of
films, music, and other audio/video media is included when citing
them. That said, the citation-examples page does not include these
There isn't a standard citation format that I'm aware of that tries
to include the length of an HTML document. Then again, I'm only
familiar with Chicago-style citations. The Chicago format for citing
an online MPEG would be:
Weed, A.E. _At the Foot of the Flatiron_. American Mutoscope and
boigraph Co., 1903; 2 min, 19 sec.; 35mm; from Library of Congress,
_Early Motion Pictures, 1898-1920_. MPEG, http://hdl.loc.gov/
loc.mbrsmi/lcmp002.m2a33981 (accessed November 14, 2006).
Lots of different stuff included in this citation: format, length,
access date. Could you hCalendar to mark up the access date. My
concerns with media-info are outlined below:
On Nov 13, 2006, at 10:17 PM, Scott Reynen wrote:
> Page count still looks out of scope to me for hCite, and closer to
> the type of information (i.e. file size) being discussed in media-
The only problem I see with this is that, according to the citation-
brainstorming page, there is a significant difference between
citation and media-info: media-info "describes information about
content embedded or inline in the current document" whereas citation
is a "reference to something explicitly external." Especially with
the example citation I give above, even though I'm citing an audio-
visual source, because its external from my document, I should use
hCitation, NOT media-info, at least according to the current
definition on the wiki.
I do think that page counts should be accounted for, in some way.
Whether that way is in hCite or through a redefinition of media-info
(or some other options).
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