[uf-discuss] hCite progress

Bruce D'Arcus bdarcus.lists at gmail.com
Wed Nov 15 04:00:01 PST 2006

On 11/15/06, Scott Reynen <scott at randomchaos.com> wrote:

> > If I were to quote something specific, or refer to a specific idea
> > or statement in a journal article on page 40, I would use some
> > variation of the following:
> >
> > John Doe, "Lorem Ipsum Dolor," _Sit Amet_ vol. 81, no. 3 (2000), 40.
> >
> > If, however, I would want to refer to the entire article, I would
> > use the following:
> >
> > John Doe, "Lorem Ipsum Dolor," _Sit Amet_ 81, no.3 (2000), 37-65.
> >
> > I don't see how leaving pages as a simple string can account for
> > this difference. I wouldn't want a parser to say that the article
> > is only one page long, and that it exists only on page 40 of a
> > journal.
> I think the idea is that the parser isn't saying much of anything
> about the pages, just that a given string is a textual description of
> them, and a human reader needs to take it from there.

This is kind of tricky though. Jeremy is showing a style common in
history, where citations are represented as notes. So in an
author-date style, his example might be (Doe, 2000:4).

A "page" in that context is simply not the same as a page in a full
bibliographic entry. You'd have to call it "cited-pages" or some such.


> > I'm not really sure offhand how to remedy this, but I'll certainly
> > think about it and offer up whatever I come up with. (I've tended
> > to do that on this list; raise questions without offering much on
> > solutions. My apologies.) Does anyone else have thoughts about this?
> There are specific formatting rules for page ranges in various formal
> citation styles, right?


> Are they clear and consistent enough that we
> can just adopt one of those for page ranges?

Here's a problem: there are different algorithms to collapse page
ranges. E.g. "120-129" --> "120-9". Chicago actually lists the rules.


> class="month", etc. markup.  And for syntax that doesn't follow a
> given syntax standard, we could use <abbr> just like with the date
> syntax standard, e.g. <abbr class="pages" title="20-30">20 to 30</abbr>.



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