[uf-discuss] Citation Microformat: LazyWeb for BibTeXperts

Brian Suda brian.suda at gmail.com
Fri Oct 6 05:13:20 PDT 2006

On 10/6/06, Bruce D'Arcus <bdarcus.lists at gmail.com> wrote:
> Why? Seems quite awkward to me to call a title a "fn."

--- part of this goes back to no-namespacing in Microformats. TITLE is
already used in hCard, which has a different semantic meaning. Plus,
hReview (and others) use FN as the TITLE equivalent. So if you are
reviewing a book, you can have the same element with class="fn" be the
ITEM title and the CITATION title at the same time. This also sort of
hints at the old idea (which i think was dropped) of using
"book-title", "journal-title", etc. (a la hAtom's entry-title) The
downside of that is that it would be an enumerated list of types and
therefore never be complete. At the moment i'm happy with just using

> > let me know. Is the Straw proposal adequate? Is KEY required (can this
> > be accomplied with the ID attribute)?
> I take you mean the bibtex key? I'm pretty sure it's required.

--- yes BibTeX key (and/or key/uid in other formats as well). It has
been awhile since i have using BibTeX.

> I don't your simple example is quite right. This:
> @PDF{
> }
> ... should be:
> @BOOK{some-key,
> }
> @PDF is not a valid type, nor is it even a type in any case; it's a format.

--- correct (here's where i trip-up every time) format and type are
two different things. Hardback/softback vs. book. The implied schema
only has FORMAT not any sort of TYPE (which might be my fault when i
groked the examples). How to handle TYPE is #2 of the outstanding
issues[1] on the citation-brainstorming page.

As for KEY, that is something that is NOT currently in the implied
schema (again the examples might have been more PRODUCT pages rather
than a bibliographic list of citations). KEY could be handled as an ID
(most sites have some sort of hyperlink back to the internal
reference) or as it's own class="key", but that sounds alot like
IDENTIFIERS to me, and then we are back to the idea of <span
<span class="type">KEY</span>: <span class="value">SU06</span></span>.
Then does KEY need to be GLOBALLY unique (sounds like a URI) or just
locally unique in the .BIB file (because that could be generated by
the Web Service)?


[1] - http://microformats.org/wiki/citation-brainstorming#Outstanding_Issues

brian suda

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