[uf-discuss] hCalendar spec- no specification included!

Benjamin West bewest at gmail.com
Mon Oct 16 21:11:30 PDT 2006


Thanks for you suggestion.  I believe this is exactly what cgriego and
Andy and I have just suggested.  Would you mind confiming this on the
to-do page under my name [1]?  If it somehow differs from the
suggestions there (under information architecture) would you please
explain how it differs?  Also please list your specific suggestions,
as well as, if possible, where content for the pages you suggest may
be gleaned, and which pages would need new content that doesn't yet

I think you may have illuminated the intent more clearly than it has
been explained so far, and so your refinement on the wiki would be
very helpful.


[1] <http://microformats.org/wiki/to-do#Information_Architecture>

On 10/16/06, Mike Schinkel <mikeschinkel at gmail.com> wrote:
> I agree that the current layout is confusing. After reading several of these
> email I would like to make a suggestion that is smaller scope than an entire
> reorganization (which still might be a good idea.)
> Tantek suggests that "the specifications are not tutorials" and others have
> said that they (think newbies would be) interested in authoring, not the
> specification and I concur.
> What if we use a convention that the entry page (i.e.
> http://microformats.org/wiki/hcard) would be an index into a list of
> (psuedo) standardized sub pages so that it would be very people to find what
> is important to them. For example, is a list of potential sub pages:
> * Specification
> * Tutorial
> * Examples
> * Use cases
> * Reference
> * Discussion
> * Brainstorming (might be combined w/Discussion)
> * Implementations
> * Related Pages
> * Further Reading
> * All (Uses Mediawiki's "includes" to create a page including all sub pages;
> very useful for printing & reading offline)
> These pages would be located respectively at
> * http://microformats.org/wiki/hcard/Specification
> * http://microformats.org/wiki/hcard/Tutorial
> * http://microformats.org/wiki/hcard/Examples
> * http://microformats.org/wiki/hcard/Use_cases
> * http://microformats.org/wiki/hcard/Reference
> * http://microformats.org/wiki/hcard/Discussion
> * http://microformats.org/wiki/hcard/Brainstorming
> * http://microformats.org/wiki/hcard/Implementations
> * http://microformats.org/wiki/hcard/Related_Pages
> * http://microformats.org/wiki/hcard/Further_Reading
> * http://microformats.org/wiki/hcard/All
> Please note I am suggesting an architecture not a specific list of sub
> pages. The list of sub pages should be defined by both reviewing existing
> information during site reorganization, and then via discussion on the list
> in an attempt to discover and extract which sub pages are needed for
> most/all microformats.
> Hope this is useful...
> -Mike
> -----Original Message-----
> From: microformats-discuss-bounces at microformats.org
> [mailto:microformats-discuss-bounces at microformats.org] On Behalf Of Benjamin
> West
> Sent: Monday, October 16, 2006 5:29 PM
> To: Microformats Discuss
> Subject: Re: [uf-discuss] hCalendar spec- no specification included!
> On 10/16/06, Justin Thorp <juth at loc.gov> wrote:
> > Ben, I really like your idea of giving the wiki a better sense of
> organization.
> >
> Justin, thanks, but this isn't my idea.  Many others have expressed their
> ideas and desires as well.
> > Is it possible within MediaWiki to have some type of sidebar navigation
> with this site organization on it?
> Interesting idea.  Would you mind suggesting this on the to-do page?
> You can create your own section or feel free to put it under mine.  If
> enough people comment in my section, I'll split the whole section off as
> it's own Wiki Improvement section. Please add this to
> http://microformats.org/wiki/to-do#Ben_West_.28bewest.29 under information
> architecture.  Be sure to leave your name.
> > I think this would help users to better find the information that they are
> looking for. For example, I am a user who could care less about the
> specification and cares more about how to write an hCard or hCalendar.  I
> want to see whats possible and some examples.
> So your first inclination is authoring?  What kind of websites do you
> author?  Are you more of a graphic designer or a web developer?
> If there were a landing page for a specific microformat (as Andy and cgriego
> have suggested.  I beleive I'm hearing more and more consensus on this.)
> that had large items such as:
> * What is this?
> * What can I do here?
> * Show me a demo.
> * Create an hCard
> Which one would look most promising?  If create an hcard went to the hcard
> creator, would this suprise you?
> > I didn't even see that there was a page on authoring within the pages and
> pages of specification.  Even with it at the top of the page.  I glanced
> right over it.
> >
> > It seems like most tutorials on hCard or hCalendar point people to the
> spec to get more information.  Should we be encouraging people to point to
> the authoring page?  I think a newbie would be very very very intimidated
> being pointed right to the spec.
> >
> Call me sick, but this is exactly the kind of thing I'm looking to collect.
> I've added it to <http://microformats.org/wiki/wiki-feedback>.  Can everyone
> add their favorite complaint?
> Ben
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