[uf-discuss] hCalendar spec- no specification included!

Benjamin West bewest at gmail.com
Wed Oct 18 14:15:37 PDT 2006 

Justin,

Great input.  Let me see if I can summarize it in bullet form:


* Bleeding Edge Adopters
  * Looking for new things
  * Might be looking/adopting things for the sake of coolness/newness
    * uF's seem new and cool?
  * Probably little exposure to uF (did they see it mentioned in a
blog, search, or conference?)

* Veteran Experts
  * Fulfilling obligations from above
  * Trusted expertise for business decisions
  * Referred from a non-expert source to check viability

First Experience:
  * Quick Background/Overview
  * Short Salient Examples
  * Cheat Sheet for Authorship
  * Tools
     * Authoring
     * Parsing
  * More Resources
    * Authoritative Spec
    * Examples

Something like that?

Ben

On 10/18/06, Justin Thorp <juth at loc.gov> wrote:

> I think the people reading the articles about microformats and jumping into the spec cold are the early adoptor web developers.  My uneducated opinion is that microformats is a fairly new movement.
>
> Regardless, it seems like it would be in the best interest of what we are trying to do to write all of our stuff and organize it so that it also works for the 50 year old web systems programmer who may be slow to adopting (stubborn) new technologies but was told by his boss he has to look at the business applications of adopting microformats.
>
> If I land on Microformats.org for the first time, just wanting to learn, I am going to be looking for something that says intro or new or tutorial.  It needs to answer the who, what, when, where, why, and how.  It shouldn't use jargonny language.
>
> If I am new and reading about hCard or hCalendar for the first time.  I want to figure out BRIEFLY what the background is.  I don't need a history of vCard.  I'd want some examples.  Id want to know about what sites use them.  I'd want tools to help build them.  Id want a list of all the different class names and where I can and can not use them (the rules).  I'd leave semantic principles in a doc that you can link to. Maybe mention it briefly.
>
> Hope this helps.
>
> Cheers,
> Justin Thorp
>
>
> ******************
> Justin Thorp
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>
> >>> bewest at gmail.com 10/18/06 12:59 PM >>>
> Justin,
>
> Would you mind visiting
> <http://microformats.org/wiki/to-do#Information_Architecture> and
> adding your support?
>
> While we're on the subject of newbies, if they first hear about
> microformats from the sources you mentioned, what kind of people are
> they? Are they graphic designers? Web developers?  Business people?
> It appears that microformat newbies are the kind of people that go to
> conventions.
>
> What do these people expect when they visit for the first time?  Most
> web browsing is task-oriented.  Do they want to find out how to author
> microformats?  Learn more about what they are?  Find out why they
> exist?
>
> Ben
>
> On 10/18/06, Justin Thorp <juth at loc.gov> wrote:
> > I really like this idea.  What if the landing page for the microformat wasn't the spec but it was some warm and fuzzy intro for newbies?  It could then link to the spec for those that were interested to it.
> >
> > A good example of this would be the W3C WAI's intro for WCAG that they give you before you get sent right into WCAG 1.0.
> > http://www.w3.org/WAI/intro/wcag
> >
> > I would expect that a lot of newbies start off hearing about microformats on tutorials like:
> > http://www.digital-web.com/articles/microformats_primer/
> > http://www.thinkvitamin.com/features/design/how-to-use-microformats
> >
> > Or from presentations like:
> > http://tantek.com/presentations/2006/09/microformats-practices/
> >
> > They get linked to the spec and then get offly confused.
> >
> > -justin thorp
> >
> > ******************
> > Justin Thorp
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> > Library of Congress
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> > p - 202/707-9541
> >
> > >>> andy at pigsonthewing.org.uk 10/17/06 3:39 PM >>>
> > In message
> > <8ad71be30610161404q2e9e9df0l10bd008032dcc182 at mail.gmail.com>, Benjamin
> > West <bewest at gmail.com> writes
> >
> > >Regarding the specs bit, I meant to refer to the various stages of the
> > >process.  The spec landing page might contain the big questions, with
> > >a status section pointing to pages dedicated toward how the spec is
> > >moving through the process, and with the "learn more" section pointed
> > >at the spec itself.
> >
> > If the "spec itself" is on a secondary page, then the "landing" page
> > isn't the spec.
> >
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