[uf-discuss] Size considerations

[Mike Schinkel]

Another point I forgot to make earlier, is I suspect a lot of price list are
put together by hand.  It's one thing to have lots of markup within a loop
generated by an .ASPX or a .PHP file, but it is probably another if someone
needs to do it by hand. And I'll bet often times that someone isn't a
hard-core web developer (in smaller companies.)

Just another thought...

-Mike 

-----Original Message-----
From: Mike Schinkel [mailto:mikeschinkel at gmail.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2006 10:08 PM
To: 'Microformats Discuss'
Subject: RE: [uf-discuss] Size considerations

>> Who is publishing 10 columns and 100 rows of prices or something similar?


Ask, and ye shall receive. I have included four lists of URLs below my
signature.  The first list is of very large price lists from the web. Some
are in PDF and/or XLS formats, but I would argue one of the things
Microformats will hopefully encourage would be the publishing of these more
things in HTML so they could be processed by machines instead of XLS and PDF
(except of course in the latter case where the content is best in PDF
format.)

As I have mentioned before, I ran an catalog/internet retailer that sold
software development tools to software developers for 12 years.  One of the
best things Microsoft could have done for us was to have published their
product and price lists in a well known location with documented
parsability.  Sure we could find them in their ever changing locations and
we could download the Excel files but we didn't have the skill to parse the
info out reliability so we never did it.  I can't tell you just how valuable
it would have been for us if they had just published in an HTML format with
something like Microformats. It would have saved us literally tens of
thousands of dollars over the years.

BTW, publishing it as lots of lists would have made it much harder for us to
get to it. One file would have been best.  And we'd have downloaded it
nightly.

Moving on...

The second list is price lists that are large but not incredibly large.  The
third list include landing pages that link to multiple price lists. And the
last is just a large variety of price lists from various sources that I
thought might be useful if anyone is wanting to see how price lists are
organized w/o having to go look for them.

-Mike
P.S. Sorry my examples are so US & Euro centric, but I can't read anything
but English and Google filters out stuff I probably can't read anyway. :)

LARGE-SIZED PRICE LISTS (VARIOUS FORMATS)
=========================================
https://partner.microsoft.com/download/US/40018463
http://www.oxfordjournals.org/access_purchase/2007/institution_price_list.ht
ml
http://www.oxfordjournals.org/access_purchase/2007/personal_price_list.html
http://www.springer.com/cda/content/document/cda_downloaddocument/Springer%2
0Journals%20Price%20List%202007%20EUR.xls?SGWID=0-0-45-310891-0
http://www.sagepublications.com/INSTPRICELIST.pdf
http://www.oceanoptics.com/Products/pricelist102006.pdf
http://www.hhhh.org/cloister/pricelists/current-magic
http://support.dialog.com/pricing/dialogselect/dsel_prices.pdf
http://www.blackwellpublishing.com/cservices/pricelist.pdf
http://www.wiley-vch.de/pdf/Wiley_Pricelist_2007.pdf
http://www.softwarespectrum.com/microsoft/Advisor/docs/EA_Perpetual_Listed_U
S_PriceList.xls
http://www.smalldog.com/SmallDogPriceList.txt


MEDIUM-SIZED PRICE LISTS (VARIOUS FORMATS)
==========================================
http://www.behringer.com/02_products/pricelistDetails.cfm?lang=ENG&cid=US
http://www.sbig.com/sbwhtmls/Pricelist_u.htm
http://www.sedo.com/search/searchresult.php4?tracked=&partnerid=&language=us
&cat=0
http://www.itd.umich.edu/sw-info/microsoft/products/
http://w.hansa.ee/eng/hinnakiri.html
http://www.pugh.co.uk/Products/adobe/adobe_pricing.htm
http://www.asian.gu.edu.au/price.html
http://www.sherline.com/prices2.htm
http://www.palgrave-journals.com/pal/pal5274journals_price_list_2007.pdf
http://www.synthax.com/pricelist.html
http://h71016.www7.hp.com/html/hpremarketing/daily.asp?jumpid=re_R295_store/
buspurchase-refurbished/all/price-list
http://www.doepfer.de/preise.htm


PAGES CONTAINING LINKS TO MULTIPLE PRICE LISTS
==============================================
http://www.springer.com/east/home/librarians/price+lists?SGWID=5-40585-12-30
1699-0
http://www.oracle.com/corporate/pricing/pricelists.html
http://www.novell.com/licensing/price/index.html
http://lysander.sourceoecd.org/vl=2809177/cl=11/nw=1/rpsv/pricelist.htm
http://lysander.sourceoecd.org/upload/enset_2007prices.pdf
http://lysander.sourceoecd.org/upload/enjournals_2007prices.pdf
http://www.cjemicros.co.uk/micros/prices/index.shtml
http://www.softwarespectrum.com/microsoft/Advisor/ea.asp
https://partner.microsoft.com/us/40018460
http://www.wasatchsoftware.com/business/symantec.htm


PRICE LISTS FROM VARIOUS SOURCES
================================
http://www.amd.com/us-en/Corporate/VirtualPressRoom/0,,51_104_609,00.html?re
dir=CPPR01
http://www.qualitybooks.com/pricelist.htm
http://www.adobe.com/education/purchasing/education_pricing.html
http://www.lahey.com/lf71/..%5Cpricelst.pdf
http://www.send2press.com/PRservices/pricing-chart.shtml
http://www.cuteftp.com/store/pricelist.asp
http://www.resnet.ucla.edu/pricelist.html
http://www.treepad.com/pricelist/
http://www.uspto.gov/go/oeip/catalog/prices/priclist.htm
http://www.pumpkininc.com/content/doc/forms/pricelist.pdf
http://www.companieshouse.gov.uk/toolsToHelp/productPriceListCompare.shtml
http://www.serif.com/store/pricelist.asp
http://www.mcfc.co.uk/default.sps?pagegid=%7BDDFB039D-A90D-41E3-8A37-F3B4966
A98C7%7D
http://www-304.ibm.com/jct03001c/services/learning/ites.wss/us/en?pageType=p
age&c=a0006661
http://www.rosicrucian.com/docs/pricelist.pdf
http://www.guitar9.com/pricelistinstr.html
 

-----Original Message-----
From: microformats-discuss-bounces at microformats.org
[mailto:microformats-discuss-bounces at microformats.org] On Behalf Of Scott
Reynen
Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2006 7:52 PM
To: Microformats Discuss
Subject: Re: [uf-discuss] Size considerations

On Oct 18, 2006, at 6:34 PM, Mike Schinkel wrote:

> The following is 6 characters:
>
> 	$54.97
>
> This is 151 characters (according to MS-Word's stats dialog):
>
> 	<span class="money">
> 		<span class="symbol" title="dollar">$</span>
> 		<abbr class="currency" title="USD">
> 			<span class="amount">54.97</span>
> 		</abbr>
> 	</span>
>
> So let's think about a price matrix with 10 columns and 100 rows.   
> Without
> markup it would be 6000 bytes or 5.85Kb just for the 1000 prices.   
> With
> markup it would be 151,000 bytes, or 147.5Kb just for the prices.

Who is publishing 10 columns and 100 rows of prices or something similar?
It would be helpful to look at some real-world markup so we can come up with
practical ways to address this concern.  If it's in rows and columns, I
would assume each price to be in a <td>, so <span class="money"> becomes
just <td class="money">, removing 14 characters by my count.  But it's hard
to know if this is a realistic assumption when we're dealing with
hypothetical markup.

Peace,
Scott
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