[uf-discuss] Use of <abbr> (also <object>) and Accessibility
mjs at apple.com
Fri Sep 22 17:26:56 PDT 2006
I'm replying a bit out of order here since I only just subscribed to
In message <C138691F.7B722%tantek at cs.stanford.edu>, Tantek Çelik
<tantek at cs.stanford.edu> wrote:
> OBJECT has been problematic in Safari for quite some time, and
> still is
I think you may be basing this on out-of-date information, as the
current Safari 1.3 and Safari 2.0 have pretty good <object> support.
> In terms of bug-reporting, I'd suggest pointing the Safari team at
> the draft
> HTML 4.01 test suite to *at least* pass all the test cases there.
Many of these tests are outright wrong. For example, no browser that
I tested, including Mac IE, passes the following test. And what it is
testing does not appear to be at all justified by the HTML 4.01 spec:
That being said, there does appear to be a genuine bug with falling
back from img objects that point to a broken image. I filed it as
> Following the descriptions contained within that post, it is
> trivial to
> construct perhaps a half dozen or so OBJECT test cases which Safari
In current Safari, <object data="20050125">January 25</object> works
just fine as expected. As to your other earlier points:
* "It doesn't handle <object> fallbacks" -- Current Safari handles
<object> fallbacks fine.
* "it doesn't know when not to handle <object> mime types that it
doesn't support" -- I'm not sure what this means, but you do get
fallback on an unsupported MIME type.
* "it doesn't support display:inline on <object>" -- It certainly
does, in fact this is the default display type for <object>.
* "it doesn't do proper intrinsic sizing of <object> replaced
elements" -- It does for image types as long as you specify the
content type correctly. Which I think is the only case where this is
It is true that a lot of this didn't work as well in previous Safari
versions. We would also be happy to fix any remaining <object> (or
other) bugs that impede microformat design. Please let us know if you
have specific ones to report.
P.S. In the case of dates I think <abbr> is a better choice than
<object> since <object> is much more heavyweight in terms of
implementation. I wouldn't recommend the use of <object> unless you
actually intend to embed content from an external resource.
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