[uf-discuss] Re: a very early draft proposal hTagcloud

[Chris Messina]

I was using class="tagcloud" on the containing <ul>.

I also was using class="tag" on each tag link, since rel="tag" is not
appropriate.

I've never written a parser, but I would think that those two pieces
would give you enough context and nuclei to extrapolate a popularity
index...

Lastly, I would recommend the formulation of class-tag, as a corrolary
to rel-tag. As David revealed, it's not exactly clear when to use
rel-tag -- it seems that, just like hcard, you might use it
*everywhere* you find a tag, instead of in places where the tag
applies to local content. This is, I think, due to the lack of clarity
on what "rel" is to be used for (a matter of education, but a misuse
that could spread widely if we're not careful).

Therefore, in cases where you have tags but are merely data and do not
actually describe the local content, class=tag seems to be a proper
way to describe the data as a tag without the secondary function of
describing the local content.

Furthermore, I was thinking that we need a way to markup tag lists in
general, and as a first order, like the list of tags on someone's
delicious page, that are not visualized as a tagcloud. This technique
should be the "parent" of the tagcloud, which, in my estimation, leads
me back to:

Taglist: <ul class="xoxo"><li><a href="tag/foo"
class="tag">foo</a></li><li><a href="tag/bar"
class="tag">bar</a></li></ul>

Tagcloud: <ul class="xoxo tagcloud"><li><big><a href="tag/foo"
class="tag">foo</a></big></li><li><big><big><strong><a href="tag/bar"
class="tag">bar</a></strong></big></big></li></ul>

Or something along those lines. I don't actually mind John's
vvvv-popular proposal, but again, for accessibility's sake, you lose
the graph-like quality of the nature of tagclouds.

Chris

On 9/23/06, Stephen Paul Weber <singpolyma at gmail.com> wrote:
> I'm still not seeing how we could easily extract the data at all... we
> have to detect all these different class names (or numbers of <big>
> tags) and translate that to numeric data?  Seems not too intuitive...
>
> On 9/22/06, John Allsopp <john at westciv.com> wrote:
> > Frances and Chris,
> >
> > > On 9/22/06, Chris Messina <chris.messina at gmail.com> wrote:
> > >> True -- but as we're in the proposal stage, it's not too bad...
> > >> however, we do need a tagcloud-brainstorming page on the wiki with
> > >> all
> > >> of John's research.
> > >>
> > >
> > > True. :) imo, it's always valuable to have a page you can point to
> > > with all the current research - no matter how useless it might end up
> > > being in the end, so that new thinkers can pick it up and add to it
> > > easily.
> >
> > I've just set up
> >
> > http://microformats.org/wiki/tagcloud-brainstorming
> > http://microformats.org/wiki/tagcloud-examples
> >
> > Does anyone have some tips/tools for converting HTML to Wiki? All the
> > brainstorming, research etc I've done is in HTML.
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> > j
> >
> > John Allsopp
> >
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