From paul.kinlan at gmail.com Sun Apr 1 12:41:33 2007 From: paul.kinlan at gmail.com (Paul Kinlan) Date: Sun Apr 1 12:41:35 2007 Subject: [uf-discuss] Proposal: wishlist microformat In-Reply-To: <460F0FD8.8080407@proionta.gr> References: <460F0FD8.8080407@proionta.gr> Message-ID: <1f8270600704011241y79df0ed0j3c1b9b36f37dc050@mail.gmail.com> Hi, I was under the impression that XOXO would be good enough for this. This simple nature of the html "ol" and "li" tags cover the semantics of the ordering of the items of preference. Or a simple "ul" tag if no specific order is needed in the wish list. Kind Regards, Paul Kinlan www.kinlan.co.uk On 01/04/07, John wrote: > Similar to the Amazon wishlist, a user would be able to list things that > he wants using this microformat. Can be also thought of as an opposite > to hlisting. > > What do the microformats list members think? > _______________________________________________ > microformats-discuss mailing list > microformats-discuss@microformats.org > http://microformats.org/mailman/listinfo/microformats-discuss > From john at proionta.gr Sun Apr 1 15:03:18 2007 From: john at proionta.gr (John) Date: Sun Apr 1 15:03:26 2007 Subject: [uf-discuss] Proposal: wishlist microformat In-Reply-To: <1f8270600704011241y79df0ed0j3c1b9b36f37dc050@mail.gmail.com> References: <460F0FD8.8080407@proionta.gr> <1f8270600704011241y79df0ed0j3c1b9b36f37dc050@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <46102C26.2090304@proionta.gr> But how would a spider know that a XOXO list that it retrieves is a wishlist? Paul Kinlan wrote: > Hi, > > I was under the impression that XOXO would be good enough for this. > > This simple nature of the html "ol" and "li" tags cover the semantics > of the ordering of the items of preference. Or a simple "ul" tag if > no specific order is needed in the wish list. > > Kind Regards, > Paul Kinlan > www.kinlan.co.uk From timber at lava.net Sun Apr 1 15:25:26 2007 From: timber at lava.net (Colin Barrett) Date: Sun Apr 1 15:25:32 2007 Subject: [uf-discuss] Proposal: wishlist microformat In-Reply-To: <46102C26.2090304@proionta.gr> References: <460F0FD8.8080407@proionta.gr> <1f8270600704011241y79df0ed0j3c1b9b36f37dc050@mail.gmail.com> <46102C26.2090304@proionta.gr> Message-ID: <593D4B6F-FF5A-409F-A52C-A81966C36460@lava.net> On Apr 1, 2007, at 3:03 PM, John wrote: > But how would a spider know that a XOXO list that it retrieves is a > wishlist? > > > Paul Kinlan wrote: >> Hi, >> >> I was under the impression that XOXO would be good enough for this. >> >> This simple nature of the html "ol" and "li" tags cover the semantics >> of the ordering of the items of preference. Or a simple "ul" tag if >> no specific order is needed in the wish list. >> >> Kind Regards, >> Paul Kinlan >> www.kinlan.co.uk Can we move this discussion over to the uf-new mailing list? Thanks, -Colin From andy at pigsonthewing.org.uk Mon Apr 2 06:15:26 2007 From: andy at pigsonthewing.org.uk (Andy Mabbett) Date: Mon Apr 2 06:16:50 2007 Subject: [uf-discuss] Geo deployed on Wikipedia. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: In message , Andy Mabbett writes >I've just added: > > > >Geo to Wikipedia's GeoTemplate: >Work to add Geo to the individual articles is ongoing. The later is now done - every singe Wikipedia article which publishes coordinates (and that includes, cities, neighbourhoods, transport stations, hotels, hospitals, mountains, museums, etc. etc.) using a template (and there are many thousands) now includes Geo ;-) Templates which use titles in the coordinate template will be attended to shortly. I'm indebted to Wikipedia user "Quarl" for working with me on the implementation. Examples (showing a variety of formats and uses): In a related project, I and others are working to add coordinates to all the articles, about places, which don't yet have them. -- Andy Mabbett * Say "NO!" to compulsory ID Cards: * Free Our Data: * Are you using Microformats, yet: ? From costello at mitre.org Mon Apr 2 06:30:02 2007 From: costello at mitre.org (Costello, Roger L.) Date: Mon Apr 2 06:30:06 2007 Subject: [uf-discuss] Geo deployed on Wikipedia. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: This is awesome Andy! Great work! /Roger -----Original Message----- From: microformats-discuss-bounces@microformats.org [mailto:microformats-discuss-bounces@microformats.org] On Behalf Of Andy Mabbett Sent: Monday, April 02, 2007 9:15 AM To: Microformats Discuss Subject: Re: [uf-discuss] Geo deployed on Wikipedia. In message , Andy Mabbett writes >I've just added: > > > >Geo to Wikipedia's GeoTemplate: >Work to add Geo to the individual articles is ongoing. The later is now done - every singe Wikipedia article which publishes coordinates (and that includes, cities, neighbourhoods, transport stations, hotels, hospitals, mountains, museums, etc. etc.) using a template (and there are many thousands) now includes Geo ;-) Templates which use titles in the coordinate template will be attended to shortly. I'm indebted to Wikipedia user "Quarl" for working with me on the implementation. Examples (showing a variety of formats and uses): In a related project, I and others are working to add coordinates to all the articles, about places, which don't yet have them. -- Andy Mabbett * Say "NO!" to compulsory ID Cards: * Free Our Data: * Are you using Microformats, yet: ? _______________________________________________ microformats-discuss mailing list microformats-discuss@microformats.org http://microformats.org/mailman/listinfo/microformats-discuss From drernie at opendarwin.org Mon Apr 2 08:51:33 2007 From: drernie at opendarwin.org (Dr. Ernie Prabhakar) Date: Mon Apr 2 08:51:35 2007 Subject: [uf-discuss] Geo deployed on Wikipedia. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4DC702B6-9B8F-44FF-8A39-2411DFF45903@opendarwin.org> > The later is now done - every singe Wikipedia article which publishes > coordinates (and that includes, cities, neighbourhoods, transport > stations, hotels, hospitals, mountains, museums, etc. etc.) using a > template (and there are many thousands) now includes Geo ;-) Yeah! This is a real milestone. Great job, Andy. -enp On Apr 2, 2007, at 6:15 AM, Andy Mabbett wrote: > In message , Andy Mabbett > writes > >> I've just added: >> >> > 3AGeoTemplate&diff=119003866&oldid=118216477> >> >> Geo to Wikipedia's GeoTemplate: > >> Work to add Geo to the individual articles is ongoing. > > The later is now done - every singe Wikipedia article which publishes > coordinates (and that includes, cities, neighbourhoods, transport > stations, hotels, hospitals, mountains, museums, etc. etc.) using a > template (and there are many thousands) now includes Geo ;-) > > Templates which use titles in the coordinate template will be attended > to shortly. > > I'm indebted to Wikipedia user "Quarl" for working with me on the > implementation. > > > Examples (showing a variety of formats and uses): > > > > > > > > In a related project, I and others are working to add coordinates > to all > the articles, about places, which don't yet have them. > > -- > Andy Mabbett > * Say "NO!" to compulsory ID Cards: www.no2id.net/> > * Free Our Data: > * Are you using Microformats, yet: microformats.org/> ? > _______________________________________________ > microformats-discuss mailing list > microformats-discuss@microformats.org > http://microformats.org/mailman/listinfo/microformats-discuss From costello at mitre.org Mon Apr 2 10:29:02 2007 From: costello at mitre.org (Costello, Roger L.) Date: Mon Apr 2 10:29:11 2007 Subject: [uf-discuss] Geo deployed on Wikipedia. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi Folks, Would you help me understand how the geo Microformat gets automatically injected into a Wikipedia page? I took a look at one of the Wikipedia articles that Andy referenced: The geo Microformat occurs at this point in the article: ... Belfast is situated at 54?34?0? N 5?56?20? W (54.5833333333, -5.93888888889). A consequence of this latitude is ... Note: The degrees-minutes-seconds lat/lon is a hotlink. Here's how it appears in edit mode (i.e., here's the Wikipedia markup): ... Belfast is situated at {{coor dms|54|35|0|N|05|56|20|W|}}. A consequence of this latitude is ... Here's the HTML (i.e., here's what View Page Source of the article gives): ... Belfast is situated at 54?34?0? N 5?56?20? W . A consequence of this latitude is ... Note the use of two Microformats: rel-nofollow and geo. As I look at the above, I guess that: - {{coor dms|xx|xx|xx|...|xx|}} is the Wikipedia symbology for "invoke the coor template, the coordinate is specified using degees-minutes-seconds as follows: xx xx xx ..." - what Andy and Quarl did was to modify the coor template to inject the geo Microformat Is this a correct guess of how it works? Is there an "adr template" in Wikipedia, so that the adr Microformat can be automatically injected into Wikipedia pages? Is there a way to create new templates? Can we create a template for hcard, vevent, and so forth? Once again, great job Andy! /Roger -----Original Message----- From: microformats-discuss-bounces@microformats.org [mailto:microformats-discuss-bounces@microformats.org] On Behalf Of Andy Mabbett Sent: Monday, April 02, 2007 9:15 AM To: Microformats Discuss Subject: Re: [uf-discuss] Geo deployed on Wikipedia. In message , Andy Mabbett writes >I've just added: > > > >Geo to Wikipedia's GeoTemplate: >Work to add Geo to the individual articles is ongoing. The later is now done - every singe Wikipedia article which publishes coordinates (and that includes, cities, neighbourhoods, transport stations, hotels, hospitals, mountains, museums, etc. etc.) using a template (and there are many thousands) now includes Geo ;-) Templates which use titles in the coordinate template will be attended to shortly. I'm indebted to Wikipedia user "Quarl" for working with me on the implementation. Examples (showing a variety of formats and uses): In a related project, I and others are working to add coordinates to all the articles, about places, which don't yet have them. -- Andy Mabbett * Say "NO!" to compulsory ID Cards: * Free Our Data: * Are you using Microformats, yet: ? _______________________________________________ microformats-discuss mailing list microformats-discuss@microformats.org http://microformats.org/mailman/listinfo/microformats-discuss From andy at pigsonthewing.org.uk Mon Apr 2 14:52:46 2007 From: andy at pigsonthewing.org.uk (Andy Mabbett) Date: Mon Apr 2 14:53:52 2007 Subject: [uf-discuss] Geo deployed on Wikipedia. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: In message , "Costello, Roger L." writes >Would you help me understand how the geo Microformat gets automatically >injected into a Wikipedia page? Firstly, the change has unfortunately had to be reverted, as it caused problems for a script which uses the raw "wiki" text of the templates it replaces. The technicalities are beyond me, but I hopeful that there will be an early resolution. This despite widespread appeals for comment before the change was made! [...] >Note the use of two Microformats: rel-nofollow and geo. Wikipedia applies "rel-nofollow" to all external links; that's nothing to do with the Geo deployment. >I guess that: > >- {{coor dms|xx|xx|xx|...|xx|}} is the Wikipedia symbology for "invoke >the coor template, the coordinate is specified using degees-minutes- >seconds as follows: xx xx xx ..." Pretty much. >- what Andy and Quarl did was to modify the coor template to inject the >geo Microformat Quarl replaced (and redirected) "Coor d" (and "Coor dm" and "Coor dms") with a new template "Coord". >Is there an "adr template" in Wikipedia, so that the adr Microformat >can be automatically injected into Wikipedia pages? Not /yet/... >Is there a way to create new templates? Can we create a template for >hcard, vevent, and so forth? That's being looked at, but the situation is extremely complex, both because there are a vast number of templates which contain addresses, with no standardisation, and because there are a number of contradictory and competing uses, including parsing of the raw wiki text. There is hidden metadata, metadata entered twice, for different purposes, and metadata entered with no formatting or sub-division (names, addresses, etc.). See: -- Andy Mabbett From ryan at ryancannon.com Mon Apr 2 17:31:18 2007 From: ryan at ryancannon.com (Ryan Cannon) Date: Mon Apr 2 17:31:22 2007 Subject: [uf-discuss] Re: [hcite] nesting container elements In-Reply-To: <200703301742.l2UHgjXX010085@microformats.org> References: <200703301742.l2UHgjXX010085@microformats.org> Message-ID: <19142C2B-0F5B-4C94-9C5F-BBD847E44BB3@ryancannon.com> Michael McCracken wrote: > We need to deal with bibliographic details for things like chapters in > a book, articles in a journal or magazine, and issues in a series. > > For designing a format, the main problem is that there are duplicate > items that need to be scoped - for instance, both the article and the > journal have a title. I actually brought this up in December in response to Brian's straw format[1], but the words I thought to use were "collection" or "in". I like "in" largely because some citation formats actually use that word to describe this type of relationship: The American Chemical Society: [2] > Almlof, J.; Gropen, O. Relativistic Effects in Chemistry. > In Reviews in Computational Chemistry Lipkowitz, K.B., > Boyd, D.B., Eds.; VCH: New York, 1996; Vol. 8, pp 206-210. American Psychological Society: [3] > James, N. E. (1988). Two sides of paradise: The Eden myth according > to Kirk and Spock. In D. Palumbo (Ed.), Spectrum of the fantastic > (pp. 219-223). Westport, CT: Greenwood. Chicago Style: [4] > Repgen, K. 1987. What is a 'Religious War'? In Politics and society > in Reformation Europe, edited by E. I. Kouri and T. Scott, 311-328. > London: Macmillan "In", being a preposition, sounds kludgy on its own, but reads very well within the code:

... ..

Note too that this problem exists for other parts of citations, like publisher data: most book citations are published with the city of publication, but this is more appropriately the `adr` field of a nested hcard for the publisher. Here, nested data is appropriate to the top- level citation as well. [1]: http://microformats.org/wiki/citation-brainstorming#Book (toward the end of the section) [2]: http://www.library.ubc.ca/scieng/chem121/module3/module3_7.html [3]: http://www.liu.edu/CWIS/CWP/library/workshop/citapa.htm [4]: http://www.libs.uga.edu/ref/chicago.html -- Ryan Cannon Interactive Developer MSI Student, School of Information University of Michigan http://RyanCannon.com From costello at mitre.org Tue Apr 3 04:52:18 2007 From: costello at mitre.org (Costello, Roger L.) Date: Tue Apr 3 04:57:02 2007 Subject: [uf-discuss] Geo deployed on Wikipedia. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: > Firstly, the change has unfortunately had to be reverted, as it caused > problems for a script which uses the raw "wiki" text of the templates it > replaces. The technicalities are beyond me, but I hopeful that there > will be an early resolution. This despite widespread appeals for comment > before the change was made! That's a shame. I have a question. Here is the HTML that was being generated (before being reverted): ... Belfast is situated at 54?34?0? N 5?56?20? W . A consequence of this latitude is ... Question: why are there parentheses around the lat/lon values: Since this information is not being displayed (style="display:none"), I don't see any value for the parentheses (or for the comma). /Roger From grumpy3039 at hotmail.com Tue Apr 3 05:12:47 2007 From: grumpy3039 at hotmail.com (John Metcalf) Date: Tue Apr 3 05:12:50 2007 Subject: [uf-discuss] xfolk questions Message-ID: Hi, I'm new to microformats and have some questions about xFolk: Is it okay to have the "taggedlink" inside the "description"? Is it okay to mark up my internal links with xFolk? Can I tag links without the actual tag being a link somewhere? Thanks, John _________________________________________________________________ Get Hotmail, News, Sport and Entertainment from MSN on your mobile. http://www.msn.txt4content.com/ From mail at ciaranmcnulty.com Tue Apr 3 05:43:08 2007 From: mail at ciaranmcnulty.com (Ciaran McNulty) Date: Tue Apr 3 05:43:14 2007 Subject: [uf-discuss] Geo deployed on Wikipedia. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 4/3/07, Costello, Roger L. wrote: > Question: why are there parentheses around the lat/lon values: > > > > Since this information is not being displayed (style="display:none"), I > don't see any value for the parentheses (or for the comma). It's somewhat dangerous to assume elements set to be display:none will never be seen... -Ciaran McNulty From mail at ciaranmcnulty.com Tue Apr 3 08:42:03 2007 From: mail at ciaranmcnulty.com (Ciaran McNulty) Date: Tue Apr 3 08:42:06 2007 Subject: [uf-discuss] Marking up properties (buildings) as hCard Message-ID: In my day job I develop a property listings database that contains a large number of records of commercial property available to let/buy. We're undergoing a big rewrite and it's a good opportunity for me to inject some microformats into the equation. When looking at the details page for of a property, the following are present: * A description, headline, lots of info about availability, square-footage, price etc. * Contact details for the agent responsible (which can be an hCard) * The address of the property (ADR?) * (for some) The co-ordinates of the property (GEO?) The last two seem primed for grouping together into an hCard for the property itself, but I have the following issues: * Does marking up a property as an hCard make sense? * hCard requires either an FN or an ORG, from what I can tell. I'm not clear which of these is preferable for a property. Commercial properties are generally referred to by either the building name (i.e. Microformats House) or the number/street (10 Microformats St.). These are both usually also the first line of the address, do I just have 1 Madeup St. ? Any guidance would be appreciated. -Ciaran McNulty From jason at sixtwothree.org Tue Apr 3 08:49:01 2007 From: jason at sixtwothree.org (Jason Garber) Date: Tue Apr 3 08:49:04 2007 Subject: [uf-discuss] Simile Timeline and microformats Message-ID: <4612776D.1020209@sixtwothree.org> Hi all, I've put together a quick-and-dirty demo for using Simile Timeline [1] with a list of hCal events: http://sixtwothree.org/simile/timeline-example.html I dug through the uf-discuss archives and didn't come across too much talk of doing this. Simile Timeline is listed on the History Examples page under Tools [2]. Either way, it's not completely bulletproof (yet), but it proves that Simile Timeline can be used with microformats in an accessible manner (out of the box, viewing a Simile Timeline page w/o Javascript gives you no content). I've got a ways to go with it (importing icons, photos, etc.), but wanted to get community feedback on the work so far. Thanks! Jason jason@sixtwothree.org [1] http://simile.mit.edu/timeline/ [2] http://microformats.org/wiki/history-examples#Tools_for_Timelines From jason at sixtwothree.org Tue Apr 3 08:54:26 2007 From: jason at sixtwothree.org (Jason Garber) Date: Tue Apr 3 08:54:28 2007 Subject: [uf-discuss] Marking up properties (buildings) as hCard In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <461278B2.7000704@sixtwothree.org> Ciaran McNulty wrote: > * Does marking up a property as an hCard make sense? Absolutely! > * hCard requires either an FN or an ORG, from what I can tell. I'm > not clear which of these is preferable for a property. Commercial > properties are generally referred to by either the building name (i.e. > Microformats House) or the number/street (10 Microformats St.). > > These are both usually also the first line of the address, do I just > have 1 Madeup > St. ? That's how I've approached it in the past if I don't have a "proper" name for the location. I'd lean toward using "fn" instead of "org", but someone with a bit more know-how might have better insight than I. Jason jason@sixtwothree.org From mail at ciaranmcnulty.com Tue Apr 3 09:23:44 2007 From: mail at ciaranmcnulty.com (Ciaran McNulty) Date: Tue Apr 3 09:23:47 2007 Subject: [uf-discuss] Marking up properties (buildings) as hCard In-Reply-To: <461278B2.7000704@sixtwothree.org> References: <461278B2.7000704@sixtwothree.org> Message-ID: On 4/3/07, Jason Garber wrote: > That's how I've approached it in the past if I don't have a "proper" > name for the location. I'd lean toward using "fn" instead of "org", but > someone with a bit more know-how might have better insight than I. I wasn't sure if I included an FN, isn't there a requirement for an N as well? -Ciaran McNulty From jeremyboggs at gmail.com Tue Apr 3 10:12:45 2007 From: jeremyboggs at gmail.com (Jeremy Boggs) Date: Tue Apr 3 10:12:54 2007 Subject: [uf-discuss] Simile Timeline and microformats In-Reply-To: <4612776D.1020209@sixtwothree.org> References: <4612776D.1020209@sixtwothree.org> Message-ID: <04E52A62-576B-4AA8-84F6-38FB86B1A4C2@gmail.com> On Apr 3, 2007, at 11:49 AM, Jason Garber wrote: > Hi all, I've put together a quick-and-dirty demo for using Simile > Timeline [1] with a list of hCal events: > > http://sixtwothree.org/simile/timeline-example.html > > I dug through the uf-discuss archives and didn't come across too > much talk of doing this. Simile Timeline is listed on the History > Examples page under Tools [2]. This is great! I've been thinking about how to do EXACTLY this in my spare time, so I'm very grateful you've made this. SIMILE and other timeline tools are listed at the history-examples page, to which myself and Andy have been adding. One of the things I wanted to do over the summer is create microformat-driven examples for each of those tools, in an effort to allow historians using those tools to also use meaningful, semantic HTML markup to present their data. Jason, do you mind if I add this to a history-brainstorming page? > I've got a ways to go with it (importing icons, photos, etc.), but > wanted to get community feedback on the work so far. One thing I would like to do is present spans of time (e.g. January, 2007) on the timeline. I tried to do this with your code but couldn't get it to work. (I simply changed one of the dates, and didn't change any of the javascript.) I look more closely at what you've written to try to solve this, but if you how to do this, that would be cool to add. I'll keep looking at it, but again, this is great! Best, Jeremy From ryan at technorati.com Tue Apr 3 10:16:21 2007 From: ryan at technorati.com (Ryan King) Date: Tue Apr 3 10:16:24 2007 Subject: [uf-discuss] xfolk questions In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <63088869-71BD-4B6E-BD0D-BAC52C6A0477@technorati.com> On Apr 3, 2007, at 5:12 AM, John Metcalf wrote: > Hi, > > I'm new to microformats and have some questions about xFolk: > > Is it okay to have the "taggedlink" inside the "description"? Yes. > Is it okay to mark up my internal links with xFolk? Sure. > Can I tag links without the actual tag being a link somewhere? No. xFolk uses rel-tag[1], which is designed to use links for tagging. -ryan 1. http://microformats.org/wiki/rel-tag -- Ryan King ryan@technorati.com From jason at sixtwothree.org Tue Apr 3 10:36:52 2007 From: jason at sixtwothree.org (Jason Garber) Date: Tue Apr 3 10:36:54 2007 Subject: [uf-discuss] Marking up properties (buildings) as hCard In-Reply-To: References: <461278B2.7000704@sixtwothree.org> Message-ID: <461290B4.20700@sixtwothree.org> Ciaran McNulty wrote: > I wasn't sure if I included an FN, isn't there a requirement for an N > as well? It looks like it depends [1]. Maybe in this case "ORG" would be the appropriate solution. I (potentially) stand corrected. :-P Jason jason@sixtwothree.org [1] http://microformats.org/wiki/hcard#Implied_.22n.22_Optimization From jason at sixtwothree.org Tue Apr 3 10:53:29 2007 From: jason at sixtwothree.org (Jason Garber) Date: Tue Apr 3 10:53:34 2007 Subject: [uf-discuss] Simile Timeline and microformats In-Reply-To: <04E52A62-576B-4AA8-84F6-38FB86B1A4C2@gmail.com> References: <4612776D.1020209@sixtwothree.org> <04E52A62-576B-4AA8-84F6-38FB86B1A4C2@gmail.com> Message-ID: <46129499.80004@sixtwothree.org> Jeremy Boggs wrote: > Jason, do you mind if I add this to a history-brainstorming page? Jeremy, please do! > One thing I would like to do is present spans of time (e.g. title="200701">January, 2007) on the timeline. I tried to do > this with your code but couldn't get it to work. (I simply changed > one of the dates, and didn't change any of the javascript.) I look > more closely at what you've written to try to solve this, but if you > how to do this, that would be cool to add. > The JS is pretty brittle, so a date lacking the day at the moment will cause problems. I need to work it out some more. Note: It's been suggested this thread be moved to microformats-dev, so I've posted my original message there and I imagine that's where further discussion should take place. Jason jason@sixtwothree.org From andy at pigsonthewing.org.uk Tue Apr 3 11:33:01 2007 From: andy at pigsonthewing.org.uk (Andy Mabbett) Date: Tue Apr 3 11:38:30 2007 Subject: [uf-discuss] Marking up properties (buildings) as hCard In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: In message , Ciaran McNulty writes >In my day job I develop a property listings database that contains a >large number of records of commercial property available to let/buy. >* Does marking up a property as an hCard make sense? > >* hCard requires either an FN or an ORG, from what I can tell. You can use "adr" as a stand-alone uF; then you won't need to worry about the fn/org. -- Andy Mabbett * Say "NO!" to compulsory ID Cards: * Free Our Data: * Are you using Microformats, yet: ? From andy at pigsonthewing.org.uk Tue Apr 3 12:04:59 2007 From: andy at pigsonthewing.org.uk (Andy Mabbett) Date: Tue Apr 3 12:06:31 2007 Subject: [uf-discuss] Geo deployed on Wikipedia. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <$zbVlSZbVqEGFwG5@pigsonthewing.org.uk> In message , Ciaran McNulty writes >On 4/3/07, Costello, Roger L. wrote: >> Question: why are there parentheses around the lat/lon values: >> >> >> >> Since this information is not being displayed (style="display:none"), I >> don't see any value for the parentheses (or for the comma). > >It's somewhat dangerous to assume elements set to be display:none will >never be seen... Indeed; the punctuation is there so that the coordinates will make sense if CSS is disabled/ unavailable/ overridden (the latter might be the case if a user prefers a decimal display, rather than DMS, for instance). -- Andy Mabbett From chris.messina at gmail.com Tue Apr 3 19:58:10 2007 From: chris.messina at gmail.com (Chris Messina) Date: Tue Apr 3 19:58:14 2007 Subject: [uf-discuss] Microformats Book for Friends of Ed released today In-Reply-To: <3172F868-8C64-482C-A828-51B9BE6000A9@westciv.com> References: <022d01c75e1b$771a78e0$0702a8c0@Guides.local> <6574D3E7-04B0-4824-A035-F450140B394B@westciv.com> <923a87360703042133t73dc7675keee520f2ced6b823@mail.gmail.com> <0D364A3B-6319-4538-BAF9-75A8F96067B1@westciv.com> <8E2DF2C8-6935-499F-9561-75C46EF7AF77@allinthehead.com> <96468F7A-4661-4A24-A26F-CDDCED8C9856@westciv.com> <3172F868-8C64-482C-A828-51B9BE6000A9@westciv.com> Message-ID: <1bc4603e0704031958k5c900ba3s20ab7bf44d53b585@mail.gmail.com> Whohoo! Congrats John! Chris On 3/26/07, John Allsopp wrote: > I hope it might be of interest to members of the community that > > Microformats - empowering your markup for Web 2.0 > > is published today by Friends of Ed. > > http://www.friendsofed.com/book.html?isbn=1590598148 > http://microformatique.com/book/ > > As far as I am aware, its the first complete book dedicated to > Microformats on dead trees. > > Thanks in particular to Brian Suda, the tech editor, and Dan > Cederholm and Nate Koechley for the case studies, and of course above > all to all those who have contributed to making microformats what > they are. > > I hope the book might play its own little part in furthering the > interest in and use of microformats, > > john > > John Allsopp > > style master :: css editor :: http://westciv.com/style_master > about me :: http://johnfallsopp.com > Web Directions Conferences :: http://webdirections.org > My Microformats book :: http://microformatique.com/book > > _______________________________________________ > microformats-discuss mailing list > microformats-discuss@microformats.org > http://microformats.org/mailman/listinfo/microformats-discuss > -- Chris Messina Citizen Provocateur & Open Source Ambassador-at-Large Work: http://citizenagency.com Blog: http://factoryjoe.com/blog Cell: 412 225-1051 Skype: factoryjoe This email is: [ ] bloggable [X] ask first [ ] private From costello at mitre.org Wed Apr 4 04:31:50 2007 From: costello at mitre.org (Costello, Roger L.) Date: Wed Apr 4 04:31:55 2007 Subject: [uf-discuss] Geo deployed on Wikipedia. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: >>Is there an "adr template" in Wikipedia, so that the adr Microformat >>can be automatically injected into Wikipedia pages? >Not /yet/... >>Is there a way to create new templates? Can we create a template for >>hcard, vevent, and so forth? >That's being looked at, but the situation is extremely complex, ... I think that it might not be complex, if the scope is limited. Many wiki articles have the name of a person. Create a wikipedia template that wraps the name with hCard. For example, here's a wikipedia article on Arthur Ernest Percival [1]. His name could be wrapped in a wiki template like this: {{person-name |given-name=Arthur|additional-name=Ernest|family-name=Percival}} The HTML that is generated by the template could be: Arthur Ernest Percival It's a very simple hcard, but I think even this simple structuring would be beneficial. Likewise, many wiki articles have the name of a country. The country name could be wrapped in a template such as this: {{country-name |Singapore}} The HTML that is generated by the template could be: Singapore