[uf-discuss] W3HTML WG, HTML5, semantics, and so on
hsivonen at iki.fi
Sun May 13 03:13:45 PDT 2007
On May 11, 2007, at 3:15 PM, John Allsopp wrote:
> (abbr pattern problems,
Clearly, there's a need for markup for the generic pattern of marking
up a triple of data presented to humans, the microformat class and a
normalized easy-to-parse representation of the data. HTML5 <time>
addresses only one instance of this pattern.
The problem with using <abbr> for this pattern is that title='' is
intended to be human-readable and the pattern contaminates
abbreviation data, so with microformats <abbr> is now less useful for
e.g. non-microformat-aware but abbr-aware screen readers.
The question that needs to be asked is: Will microformat producers
and consumers be willing to migrate to a replacement of the abbr
pattern if one is provided or will they continue to use abbr anyway
for backwards compat?
For example, should HTML 5 define a uf-data='' attribute as a common
attribute such that the value of this attribute would be considered
in preference over textContent by microformat consumers? Or should
HTML 5 just mitigate the damage to the title attribute by defining a
boolean attribute title-is-uf='' for flagging title='' attributes not
meant for human consumption?
Is it too late to get rid of this?
<abbr title='uf data'>human data</abbr>
Would this be accepted by the uf community?
<span uf-data='uf data'>human data</span>
If not, would this be backwards-compatible with uf consumers?
<span title='uf data' title-is-uf>human data</span>
> even with ufs no one uses profiles so HTML 5 should get rid of
> them ...)
We already got rid of profile='' before the W3C adopted the draft.
There may be some pressure to put it back due to theoretical
considerations. This is part of the Descriptivist vs. Prescriptivist
debate. It looks pretty obvious that microformat consumers experience
more practical benefit when they ignore profile=''.
hsivonen at iki.fi
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