[uf-discuss] Re: calendar (and other) items aren't always tidy

[ken]

On 11/27/2007 02:55 AM Paul Wilkins wrote:
> On Nov 27, 2007 11:57 AM, ken <gebser at speakeasy.net> wrote:
>> Maybe I'm thinking too far outside the box, but it looks like the
>> formats proposed thus far all assume that the (html) content we'll be
>> "semanticizing" is going to written in such a way as to accommodate the
>> format, that all the information going (ultimately) into, say, the vCard
>> for one person will be presented discretely from the vCard information
>> for another person.  For example, suppose we have the following text in
>> a (fictitious local sports) webpage:
>>
>> "Bobby and Billy are on the same football team and on Sunday they're
>> playing against the Falcons, whose coach is Ron Smith.  Ron Smith is
>> Bobby and Billy's father.  The brothers are also the star quarterback
>> and star fullback at Pittsfield High."
> 
> Now there's a challenge.
> 
> <span class="vcard">
>   <span class="fn n">
>     <span class="given-name">Bobby</span>
>     <a href="#smith" class="include"></a>
>   </span>
>   <a href="#star-quarter" class="include"></a>
> </span>
> and
> <span class="vcard">
>   <span class="fn n">
>     <span class="given-name">Billy</span>
>     <a href="#smith" class="include"></a>
>   </span>
>   <a href="#star-fullback" class="include"></a>
> </span>
> are on the same football team and on Sunday they're
> playing against the Falcons, whose coach is
> <span class="vcard">
>   <span class="fn n">
>     <span class="given-name">Ron</span>
> 	<span class="family-name" id="smith">Smith</span>
> </span>.
> Ron Smith is Bobby and Billy's father.
> The brothers are also the
> <span class="role" id="star-quarter">star quarterback</span>
> and <span class="role" id="star-fullback">star fullback</span>
> at Pittsfield High."
> 
> This has been tested with Operator, and others should have no trouble either.
> 
> Other information could have been marked up, but that's been left as
> an exercise should you wish to take things further.
> 

"Taking things further" was the point of my question.  In particular,
mentioned in the three-sentence example are several organizations-- a
couple high schools, a couple football teams, and a family-- and each of
the three people mentioned are members of (have a role in) three (but
not all) of these organizations.  The goal of the semantic web, at least
as I understand it, is to express in machine-readable format meaningful
relations within one and the same webpage and among separate webpages
and even hosted on different websites.  Though not at all trivial, my
three-sentence example isn't really complicated either... just complex
enough to point out a problem (but by no means the only foreseeable
problem).  So, Paul, while I appreciate your considerable effort, it
doesn't seem that microformatting in its current incarnation is flexible
enough to accommodate much of what it was hoped it would do.


Thanks much.

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