[uf-discuss] RE: Request for help from screen reader users

Belov, Charles Charles.Belov at sfmta.com
Tue May 27 11:10:25 PDT 2008


Hope this helps,
Charles Belov
SFMTA Webmaster


>Message: 3
>Date: Thu, 22 May 2008 19:49:17 +0100
>From: Toby A Inkster <mail at tobyinkster.co.uk>
>Subject: [uf-discuss] RE: microformats-discuss Digest, Vol 36, Issue 9
>To: microformats-discuss at microformats.org
>Message-ID: <EEA255CB-0250-42AA-A15B-8D25E05DA04D at tobyinkster.co.uk>
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>Charles Belov wrote:
>> <span class="humandtstart">May 12, 2008, 5:30pm<abbr class="dtstart"
>> title="2008-05-12T17:30:00-0700" style="display:none"></abbr></span>

>Similar to my current compromise:

><span class="dtstart">
>   May 12, 2008, 5:30pm
>   <abbr class="value" title="2008-05-12T17:30:00-0700"
>   style="display:none"></abbr>

>Which seems to work in many current parsers.

The most important common part is our use of style="display:none"

I respectfully suggest my parser, which places the class and the title
attributes in the same tag, provides a simpler parse and does not
require a change to current parsers.  ("humandtstart" is only for the
convenience of webmasters who want to style the human-readable date, and
can be ignored by parsers.)  There is no need for the parse to relate
the human-readable date with the machine-readable date if any given
audience is going to ignore one or the other.

I do credit your work on this tag as an inspiration for my derivation.

Toby A Inkster
<mailto:mail at tobyinkster.co.uk>

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>Message: 6
>Date: Thu, 22 May 2008 18:17:00 +0100
>From: Ben Ward <lists at ben-ward.co.uk>
>Subject: Re: [uf-discuss] Request for help from screen reader users
>	from the	BBC
>To: Microformats Discuss <microformats-discuss at microformats.org>
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>	delsp=yes

>Recently, we've been discussing the issue of embedding machine-data as

>part of microformats on uf-dev, and debating possible alternative  
>methods from a parser perspective (namely an empty element with a  
>title attribute).

I think the most important part of a solution is to add
style="display:none" to that empty element to guarantee that the title
will not be read or displayed to humans.

Hope this helps,
Charles "Chas" Belov
SFMTA Webmaster

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