From pmika at yahoo-inc.com Tue Apr 7 12:41:42 2009 From: pmika at yahoo-inc.com (Peter Mika) Date: Wed Apr 8 12:51:18 2009 Subject: [uf-discuss] Aggregate reviews Message-ID: <49DBAC76.7080905@yahoo-inc.com> Hi All, We are looking for a way to represent aggregate reviews using microformats and came across [1]. Could someone tell us what the status of this proposal is? Thanks, Peter [1] http://microformats.org/wiki/aggregate-review-examples From mail at tobyinkster.co.uk Sat Apr 4 11:09:13 2009 From: mail at tobyinkster.co.uk (Toby Inkster) Date: Wed Apr 8 13:12:49 2009 Subject: [uf-discuss] Announcing poshformats.org Message-ID: <1238872153.14719.21.camel@ophelia2.g5n.co.uk> Occasionally proposals are floated here, or on uf-new, or the Wiki, or IRC channel, which are too obscure to ever end up as a microformat. Most are destined to never get the buy-in from tool (parsers, authoring tools) writers that will make them useful. When these ideas come up, people are often told "this isn't appropriate for microformats.org" but aren't given an alternative suggestion. That's where poshformats.org comes in! poshformats.org is intended to be a counterpart to microformats.org. It borrows many of the Microformats community's principles: * use of plain old semantic HTML; * community development via mail, IRC and Wiki; * public domain requirement but it is intended to be appropriate for small groups, solo projects and rapid development. ?This is NOT intended to split the Microformats community. I anticipate a large overlap between users of microformats.org and poshformats.org. Rather it is intended as a development area for people to be able to work on ideas not appropriate for microformats.org without them being branded as "it must be an official microformat because it's on microformats.org". I invite people from the Microformats Community to visit poshformats.org, and if they like the idea, sign up to the Wiki and mailing list. There's also a logged #poshformats channel on irc.freenode.net, and a project on Google Code for sharing posh-related code. I'm also invite people to volunteer to become an administrator. Administrators should have experience implementing solutions with microformats and semantic HTML. To volunteer, sign up to the Wiki and add the following to your user page: "[[Category:Administrator_Volunteer]]" (without the quotes). Thanks for reading. -- Toby Inkster From jmyers at visi.com Thu Apr 16 07:55:46 2009 From: jmyers at visi.com (Jay Myers) Date: Thu Apr 16 07:55:49 2009 Subject: [uf-discuss] Changes to hListing proposal Message-ID: Microformateers, The continuing work of hProduct has brought a good deal of discussion around how separate microfromats can be combined to provide more concrete semantic solutions, particularly hProduct with hListing. Ideally, these and other microformats would be used in combination to provide details about the product and product listing (see hproduct recipes [1] for examples). Working through the hProduct issues list [2], it was suggested that hListing provide price and transaction-related details. Unfortunately, the latest draft proposal of hListing was published in February 2006 -- with this in mind, we are recommending changes to the hListing proposal to better define transactional elements that would assist in matching up buyers and sellers, plus be used in tandem with other microformats that help describe products and services. I have created a separate hlisting brainstorming page [3] with a new proposed schema, plus lists of what was added, removed and changed. For the purposes of discussion, I would request your comments on the hlisting issues page [4]. [1] http://microformats.org/wiki/hproduct-recipes [2] http://microformats.org/wiki/hproduct-issues [3] http://microformats.org/wiki/hlisting-brainstorming [4] http://microformats.org/wiki/hlisting-issues Thanks, Jay Myers blog: http://jay.beweep.com twitter: jaymyers From cruster at gmail.com Thu Apr 23 08:13:09 2009 From: cruster at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?J=E1n_Sokoly?=) Date: Thu Apr 23 08:13:16 2009 Subject: [uf-discuss] microformats support in Opera In-Reply-To: <501242a50904230808s4cd61ffj42563388ead39e7f@mail.gmail.com> References: <501242a50904230808s4cd61ffj42563388ead39e7f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <501242a50904230813q1b802c53ga608a426e058a1d1@mail.gmail.com> Curious about microformats support in Opera? Vote for the question here: http://my.opera.com/chooseopera/forums/topic.dml?id=274010 From burcu at keyprints.org Thu Apr 23 08:47:44 2009 From: burcu at keyprints.org (Burcu Dogan) Date: Thu Apr 23 08:55:00 2009 Subject: [uf-discuss] microformats support in Opera In-Reply-To: <501242a50904230813q1b802c53ga608a426e058a1d1@mail.gmail.com> References: <501242a50904230808s4cd61ffj42563388ead39e7f@mail.gmail.com> <501242a50904230813q1b802c53ga608a426e058a1d1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <64e0f12c0904230847h1dfa467buac228d4a3303d5d3@mail.gmail.com> Microformats recognition would put Opera definitely to the top of my browser-crush list. But I better wish to see Opera providing an API. Burcu, http://blog.burcudogan.com 2009/4/23 J?n Sokoly : > Curious about microformats support in Opera? Vote for the question > here: http://my.opera.com/chooseopera/forums/topic.dml?id=274010 > _______________________________________________ > microformats-discuss mailing list > microformats-discuss@microformats.org > http://microformats.org/mailman/listinfo/microformats-discuss > From danbri at danbri.org Thu Apr 23 09:01:39 2009 From: danbri at danbri.org (Dan Brickley) Date: Thu Apr 23 09:01:49 2009 Subject: [uf-discuss] microformats support in Opera In-Reply-To: <64e0f12c0904230847h1dfa467buac228d4a3303d5d3@mail.gmail.com> References: <501242a50904230808s4cd61ffj42563388ead39e7f@mail.gmail.com> <501242a50904230813q1b802c53ga608a426e058a1d1@mail.gmail.com> <64e0f12c0904230847h1dfa467buac228d4a3303d5d3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <49F090E3.4000207@danbri.org> On 23/4/09 17:47, Burcu Dogan wrote: > Microformats recognition would put Opera definitely to the top of my > browser-crush list. But I better wish to see Opera providing an API. Do you have any particular API in mind? Dan From andr3.pt at gmail.com Thu Apr 23 09:05:00 2009 From: andr3.pt at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Andr=E9_Lu=EDs?=) Date: Thu Apr 23 09:05:05 2009 Subject: [uf-discuss] microformats support in Opera In-Reply-To: <501242a50904230813q1b802c53ga608a426e058a1d1@mail.gmail.com> References: <501242a50904230808s4cd61ffj42563388ead39e7f@mail.gmail.com> <501242a50904230813q1b802c53ga608a426e058a1d1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: If Opera reveals microformatted content in the UI, I'm switchin' and leave FF to debugging only. i <3 firebug too much. -- Andr? Lu?s 2009/4/23 J?n Sokoly : > Curious about microformats support in Opera? Vote for the question > here: http://my.opera.com/chooseopera/forums/topic.dml?id=274010 > _______________________________________________ > microformats-discuss mailing list > microformats-discuss@microformats.org > http://microformats.org/mailman/listinfo/microformats-discuss > From tmcrodrigues at gmail.com Thu Apr 23 09:35:42 2009 From: tmcrodrigues at gmail.com (Tiago Rodrigues) Date: Thu Apr 23 09:36:04 2009 Subject: [uf-discuss] Watching watchlists properly: the lack of an email setting Message-ID: I've recently (yesterday !) came into the world of Microformats and after looking at some stuff on the wiki, I decided it would be a good idea to watch pages for some microformats I'm using which are still on a draft phase, and might still be subject to change. I had to register on the wiki to do this, and I noticed there was no field to fill in my email. This means I can't get watchlist alerts on my email, and if I want to keep updated I need to come back to the microformats wiki and look at my watchlist every now and then, which I'll most likely forget about. Mediawiki supports this functionality since version 1.5, and since the Microformats wiki was upgraded last November to version 1.13, this funcionality exists, but is deactivated. Is there a reason for this ? Or didn't anyone think about this before ? Also, having no e-mail kinda defeats the purpose of having Gravatar, since this is based on the email you use to register on a website. This is also my first post on this (or any microformats related) mailing list, so hello everyone ! -- Tiago Rodrigues http://www.trodrigues.net E-Mail / MSN Messenger / Jabber / GTalk: tmcrodrigues [at] gmail [dot] com Skype: trodrigues.net From andr3.pt at gmail.com Thu Apr 23 13:19:50 2009 From: andr3.pt at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Andr=E9_Lu=EDs?=) Date: Thu Apr 23 13:19:55 2009 Subject: [uf-discuss] Watching watchlists properly: the lack of an email setting In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Tiago, good point. I'd also be interested in getting my watchlist in the mail (or rss, or something) instead of having to login to check if there were any changes. Ben, can you shed some light on this? Is this off by choice? And if so, why? Thanks in advance, -- Andr? Lu?s On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 5:35 PM, Tiago Rodrigues wrote: > I've recently (yesterday !) came into the world of Microformats and > after looking at some stuff on the wiki, I decided it would be a good > idea to watch pages for some microformats I'm using which are still on > a draft phase, and might still be subject to change. > > I had to register on the wiki to do this, and I noticed there was no > field to fill in my email. This means I can't get watchlist alerts on > my email, and if I want to keep updated I need to come back to the > microformats wiki and look at my watchlist every now and then, which > I'll most likely forget about. > > Mediawiki supports this functionality since version 1.5, and since the > Microformats wiki was upgraded last November to version 1.13, this > funcionality exists, but is deactivated. > > Is there a reason for this ? Or didn't anyone think about this before ? > > Also, having no e-mail kinda defeats the purpose of having Gravatar, > since this is based on the email you use to register on a website. > > This is also my first post on this (or any microformats related) > mailing list, so hello everyone ! > > > -- > Tiago Rodrigues > http://www.trodrigues.net > E-Mail / MSN Messenger / Jabber / GTalk: > ?tmcrodrigues [at] gmail [dot] com > Skype: trodrigues.net > _______________________________________________ > microformats-discuss mailing list > microformats-discuss@microformats.org > http://microformats.org/mailman/listinfo/microformats-discuss > From info at csarven.ca Thu Apr 23 13:35:10 2009 From: info at csarven.ca (Sarven Capadisli) Date: Thu Apr 23 17:25:12 2009 Subject: [uf-discuss] Watching watchlists properly: the lack of an email setting In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1240518910.8957.12.camel@csarven-laptop> Alternatively, you could subscribe to the Atom or RSS feed of the page (e.g., http://microformats.org/wiki/index.php?title=Special:RecentChanges&feed=atom ) -Sarven On Thu, 2009-04-23 at 21:19 +0100, Andr? Lu?s wrote: > Tiago, > > good point. I'd also be interested in getting my watchlist in the mail > (or rss, or something) instead of having to login to check if there > were any changes. > > Ben, can you shed some light on this? Is this off by choice? And if so, why? > > Thanks in advance, > -- > Andr? Lu?s > > On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 5:35 PM, Tiago Rodrigues wrote: > > I've recently (yesterday !) came into the world of Microformats and > > after looking at some stuff on the wiki, I decided it would be a good > > idea to watch pages for some microformats I'm using which are still on > > a draft phase, and might still be subject to change. > > > > I had to register on the wiki to do this, and I noticed there was no > > field to fill in my email. This means I can't get watchlist alerts on > > my email, and if I want to keep updated I need to come back to the > > microformats wiki and look at my watchlist every now and then, which > > I'll most likely forget about. > > > > Mediawiki supports this functionality since version 1.5, and since the > > Microformats wiki was upgraded last November to version 1.13, this > > funcionality exists, but is deactivated. > > > > Is there a reason for this ? Or didn't anyone think about this before ? > > > > Also, having no e-mail kinda defeats the purpose of having Gravatar, > > since this is based on the email you use to register on a website. > > > > This is also my first post on this (or any microformats related) > > mailing list, so hello everyone ! > > > > > > -- > > Tiago Rodrigues > > http://www.trodrigues.net > > E-Mail / MSN Messenger / Jabber / GTalk: > > tmcrodrigues [at] gmail [dot] com > > Skype: trodrigues.net > > _______________________________________________ > > microformats-discuss mailing list > > microformats-discuss@microformats.org > > http://microformats.org/mailman/listinfo/microformats-discuss > > > > _______________________________________________ > microformats-discuss mailing list > microformats-discuss@microformats.org > http://microformats.org/mailman/listinfo/microformats-discuss From bbtommorris at gmail.com Thu Apr 23 19:34:13 2009 From: bbtommorris at gmail.com (Tom Morris) Date: Thu Apr 23 19:34:17 2009 Subject: [uf-discuss] Watching watchlists properly: the lack of an email setting In-Reply-To: <1240518910.8957.12.camel@csarven-laptop> References: <1240518910.8957.12.camel@csarven-laptop> Message-ID: On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 21:35, Sarven Capadisli wrote: > Alternatively, you could subscribe to the Atom or RSS feed of the page > (e.g., > http://microformats.org/wiki/index.php?title=Special:RecentChanges&feed=atom ) > I wrote some code a while back that converts various bits of the XML output from the MediaWiki API into Atom. Mainly so I could patrol some edits from a particularly strange man who periodically edits a wiki I use. I'll get around to releasing them when I'm less busy. -- Tom Morris http://tommorris.org/ From lists at ben-ward.co.uk Thu Apr 23 21:47:37 2009 From: lists at ben-ward.co.uk (Ben Ward) Date: Thu Apr 23 21:47:44 2009 Subject: [uf-discuss] Watching watchlists properly: the lack of an email setting In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1ED72A75-8119-4250-A3FC-B77E88EF2164@ben-ward.co.uk> On 23 Apr 2009, at 09:35, Tiago Rodrigues wrote: > Mediawiki supports this functionality since version 1.5, and since the > Microformats wiki was upgraded last November to version 1.13, this > funcionality exists, but is deactivated. I'll take a look into this. The functionality should be available. B From tmcrodrigues at gmail.com Fri Apr 24 03:33:18 2009 From: tmcrodrigues at gmail.com (Tiago Rodrigues) Date: Fri Apr 24 03:33:36 2009 Subject: [uf-discuss] Watching watchlists properly: the lack of an email setting In-Reply-To: <1ED72A75-8119-4250-A3FC-B77E88EF2164@ben-ward.co.uk> References: <1ED72A75-8119-4250-A3FC-B77E88EF2164@ben-ward.co.uk> Message-ID: On Fri, Apr 24, 2009 at 5:47 AM, Ben Ward wrote: > On 23 Apr 2009, at 09:35, Tiago Rodrigues wrote: > >> Mediawiki supports this functionality since version 1.5, and since the >> Microformats wiki was upgraded last November to version 1.13, this >> funcionality exists, but is deactivated. > > I'll take a look into this. The functionality should be available. Thanks a lot :) -- Tiago Rodrigues http://www.trodrigues.net E-Mail / MSN Messenger / Jabber / GTalk: tmcrodrigues [at] gmail [dot] com Skype: trodrigues.net From tmcrodrigues at gmail.com Fri Apr 24 03:36:08 2009 From: tmcrodrigues at gmail.com (Tiago Rodrigues) Date: Fri Apr 24 03:36:27 2009 Subject: [uf-discuss] Watching watchlists properly: the lack of an email setting In-Reply-To: <1240518910.8957.12.camel@csarven-laptop> References: <1240518910.8957.12.camel@csarven-laptop> Message-ID: On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 9:35 PM, Sarven Capadisli wrote: > Alternatively, you could subscribe to the Atom or RSS feed of the page > (e.g., > http://microformats.org/wiki/index.php?title=Special:RecentChanges&feed=atom ) I have to admit I didn't even remember that, but anyway I personally prefer e-mail for this kind of not so frequent type of alerts. -- Tiago Rodrigues http://www.trodrigues.net E-Mail / MSN Messenger / Jabber / GTalk: tmcrodrigues [at] gmail [dot] com Skype: trodrigues.net From jmyers at visi.com Fri Apr 24 13:07:49 2009 From: jmyers at visi.com (Jay Myers) Date: Fri Apr 24 13:07:53 2009 Subject: [uf-discuss] hProduct draft 0.3 released Message-ID: All, After several iterations, I'm excited to announce the latest hProduct draft 0.3 [1]. Over the past couple of months hProduct has definitely taken shape, thanks to feedback from the community and direct contributions from several individuals. I believe the new draft spec focuses on the most universal product elements, while providing a vehicle for building complete semantic solutions in combination with other microformats, most notably hListing. As always, please post your feedback to the hProduct issues page [2]. In the coming weeks I will be expanding the hProduct recipes page [3] as well, and would urge anyone interested to post their example markup and comments. [1] http://microformats.org/wiki/hproduct [2] http://microformats.org/wiki/hproduct-issues [3] http://microformats.org/wiki/hproduct-recipes Thanks, Jay twitter: @jaymyers blog: http://jay.beweep.com From loertsch.thomas at guj.de Tue Apr 28 04:56:45 2009 From: loertsch.thomas at guj.de (Thomas Loertsch) Date: Tue Apr 28 04:56:56 2009 Subject: [uf-discuss] Status of measure Message-ID: Hi, we had a discussion on the hRecipe issues page if we should reuse the measure voacbulary. I'd like to get a feel how stable measure is. The history suggests that there has not been much development going on for quite some time, but the format itself looks fairly stable and well worked out, the issues seem to be well confined and manageable. What does it take do make it a draft? Are there still dark corners? Deep disagreements? Or is lack of time the main reason for the current state? Ciao Thomas . Thomas L?rtsch Business Development G+J Exclusive&Living digital GmbH Redaktion Online .. Stubbenhuk 5 20459 Hamburg ... eMail: loertsch.thomas@guj.de From mail at tobyinkster.co.uk Wed Apr 29 03:43:00 2009 From: mail at tobyinkster.co.uk (Toby Inkster) Date: Wed Apr 29 03:43:07 2009 Subject: [uf-discuss] XFN 1.1 and CC BY-ND Message-ID: <1241001780.21472.1.camel@ophelia2.g5n.co.uk> Given the public domain policy, does XFN 1.1's licence make it ineligible as a microformat? Ditto XMDP. -- Toby Inkster From martin at weborganics.co.uk Thu Apr 30 04:21:32 2009 From: martin at weborganics.co.uk (Martin McEvoy) Date: Thu Apr 30 04:21:42 2009 Subject: [uf-discuss] XFN 1.1 and CC BY-ND In-Reply-To: <1241001780.21472.1.camel@ophelia2.g5n.co.uk> References: <1241001780.21472.1.camel@ophelia2.g5n.co.uk> Message-ID: <49F989BC.1030700@weborganics.co.uk> Toby Inkster wrote: > Given the public domain policy, does XFN 1.1's licence make it > ineligible as a microformat? > > Ditto XMDP. > > Yes I have had problems with this bit: *No Derivative Works* ? You may not alter, transform, or build upon this work. Does this mean I cant map and transform XFN to RDF? there is this bit though... *Waiver* ? Any of the above conditions can be waived if you get permission from the copyright holder. Who do I ask? Thanks. -- Martin McEvoy http://weborganics.co.uk/ "You may find it hard to swallow the notion that anything as large and apparently inanimate as the Earth is alive." Dr. James Lovelock, The Ages of Gaia