[uf-discuss] value-title design pattern
rob at sanchothefat.com
Mon Feb 9 01:56:27 PST 2009
Ben Ward wrote:
> Hi Robert,
> Thanks for your feedback on the value-title work. It's moving along
> quite nicely.
> On 6 Feb 2009, at 03:04, Robert O'Rourke wrote:
>> Anyway there was a bit of discussion on strackoverflow and a clever
>> chap called Cristoph suggested using the VAR tag. I'm not entirely
>> clear whether it's semantically valid to use to store a datetime in
>> the title attribute but the spec states it's 'an instance of a
>> variable'. Is that geared towards marking up code rather than an
>> arbritrary variable?
>> The thread on stackoverflow is here:
>> Cristoph's suggestion is at the bottom.
> Your guess is correct: <var> is for marking up code, not embedding
> data; here's a lot of computer science bias in HTML4.
> One of the key design goals I have with the new pattern is enabling
> choice. Whilst the semantic validity of ABBR use is oft debated, and
> the accessibility issues are proven, there's always been a problem and
> discomfort from forcing use of a particular element onto authors. The
> new pattern is, as mentioned on the test page, mark-up agnostic (you
> can use span, or b, or input, or var, or whatever you like).
> As such, you can publish something like Cristoph's pattern if you want
> You would do this, just adding the existing value-excerption pattern
> ‘value’ class to the <var>.
> The party is at
> <dfn class="dtstart">10 o'clock on the 10th
> <var class="value">20051010T10:10:10-010</var></dfn>.
> Personally, I don't agree with the uses of those elements here.
> I should have a followup on the value-excerption work next week, along
> with a draft spec.
Thanks for taking the time to respond Ben, I know you must be very busy.
I agree <var> didn't feel quite right but I thought I'd post it. The
mark-up agnostic approach is a great idea though. Looking forward to
reading the spec, thanks again Ben.
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