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Thanks, Your friends at FriendFeed If you no longer wish to receive any email from FriendFeed, visit https://friendfeed.com/account/optout?code=zDhelofr6L From msporny at digitalbazaar.com Tue May 12 12:31:45 2009 From: msporny at digitalbazaar.com (Manu Sporny) Date: Tue May 12 12:31:51 2009 Subject: [uf-discuss] Google announces Microformats/RDFa support! Message-ID: <4A09CEA1.9010303@digitalbazaar.com> The subject line says it all - Google just announced support for various Microformats and RDFa! Here's the Google FAQ page on structured data: http://google.com/support/webmasters/bin/answer.py?hl=en&answer=99170 Here's the announcement on the RDFa mailing list: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdfa/2009May/0011.html Congrats to everyone in the community and everyone that has helped create a Microformat! -- manu -- Manu Sporny President/CEO - Digital Bazaar, Inc. blog: A Collaborative Distribution Model for Music http://blog.digitalbazaar.com/2009/04/04/collaborative-music-model/ From fberriman at gmail.com Tue May 12 12:54:47 2009 From: fberriman at gmail.com (Frances Berriman) Date: Tue May 12 12:54:50 2009 Subject: [uf-discuss] Google announces Microformats/RDFa support! In-Reply-To: <4A09CEA1.9010303@digitalbazaar.com> References: <4A09CEA1.9010303@digitalbazaar.com> Message-ID: Ah, thanks Manu. Glad it's gone into their FAQ so quickly. Very exciting news. I concur with the congrats to all the people who have put in hard work. :) Worth mentioning that we may see a sudden influx of people to the site, IRC and wiki - so those of us that have been here for a while should be keen to lend a hand and point new comers in the right direction. -Frances 2009/5/12 Manu Sporny : > The subject line says it all - Google just announced support for various > Microformats and RDFa! > > Here's the Google FAQ page on structured data: > http://google.com/support/webmasters/bin/answer.py?hl=en&answer=99170 > > Here's the announcement on the RDFa mailing list: > http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdfa/2009May/0011.html > > Congrats to everyone in the community and everyone that has helped > create a Microformat! > > -- manu > > -- > Manu Sporny > President/CEO - Digital Bazaar, Inc. > blog: A Collaborative Distribution Model for Music > http://blog.digitalbazaar.com/2009/04/04/collaborative-music-model/ > > _______________________________________________ > microformats-discuss mailing list > microformats-discuss@microformats.org > http://microformats.org/mailman/listinfo/microformats-discuss > -- Frances Berriman http://fberriman.com From leoboiko at gmail.com Tue May 12 12:57:29 2009 From: leoboiko at gmail.com (Leonardo Boiko) Date: Tue May 12 12:57:32 2009 Subject: [uf-discuss] Google announces Microformats/RDFa support! In-Reply-To: <4A09CEA1.9010303@digitalbazaar.com> References: <4A09CEA1.9010303@digitalbazaar.com> Message-ID: <3756413b0905121257w20ebea2cl78918a8455a734a5@mail.gmail.com> Sweet! I see they?re supporting hreview, hcard, and xfn. Now they just need to add hresume and perhaps I'll find a job (-_-); On Tue, May 12, 2009 at 4:31 PM, Manu Sporny wrote: > The subject line says it all - Google just announced support for various > Microformats and RDFa! -- Leonardo Boiko http://namakajiri.net From tantek at cs.stanford.edu Wed May 13 17:40:44 2009 From: tantek at cs.stanford.edu (=?UTF-8?Q?Tantek_=C3=87elik?=) Date: Wed May 13 17:40:46 2009 Subject: [uf-discuss] Congrats to Kavi and team on their microformats implementation! Follow-up on examples Message-ID: <60cb038a0905131740k3dbbbcf2jd928d8640e0efb83@mail.gmail.com> Kavi and team, Well done with your implementation of microformats as part of Google's new rich snippets feature in search results! I encourage you to add an entry to the following wiki pages linking to your implementation description page: http://microformats.org/wiki/implementations http://microformats.org/wiki/search-engines And I also encourage anyone who has published hCard, hReview, hCalendar, or hAtom (e.g. those of you that have added your sites to the respective examples-in-wild pages [1] to submit their sites using Google's form: http://www.google.com/support/webmasters/bin/request.py?contact_type=rich_snippets_feedback I've also found microformats examples on the Google Webmasters forum and wanted to bring them to the attention of the microformats community: http://google.com/support/webmasters/bin/answer.py?answer=146645 http://google.com/support/webmasters/bin/answer.py?answer=146646 http://google.com/support/webmasters/bin/answer.py?answer=146750 http://google.com/support/webmasters/bin/answer.py?answer=146861 http://google.com/support/webmasters/bin/answer.py?answer=146897 Kavi, if there are additional pages in the Webmasters forum that show microformats examples, please feel free to reply and note them. It may be useful to create a wiki page (perhaps linked from your entries on the above-mentioned wiki pages) that links to all the google.com microformats example pages. I encourage everyone to take a look at the microformats examples on the above google.com pages and provide feedback (either here, or preferably on a wiki page) including any suggested markup improvements. Thanks! Tantek [1] Everyone who has added microformats to their pages should be sure their site(s)/page(s) are listed in the respective examples in the wild page on the wiki, e.g.: http://microformats.org/wiki/hcard-examples-in-wild http://microformats.org/wiki/hreview-examples-in-wild http://microformats.org/wiki/hcalendar-examples-in-wild -- http://tantek.com/ From tdrake at yahoo-inc.com Thu May 14 01:56:49 2009 From: tdrake at yahoo-inc.com (Ted Drake) Date: Thu May 14 01:57:06 2009 Subject: [uf-discuss] Google announces Microformats/RDFa support! In-Reply-To: <3756413b0905121257w20ebea2cl78918a8455a734a5@mail.gmail.com> References: <4A09CEA1.9010303@digitalbazaar.com> <3756413b0905121257w20ebea2cl78918a8455a734a5@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <00e801c9d471$ebadaaf0$f0284c0a@ds.corp.yahoo.com> Yahoo added rdf and microformat support to the Yahoo! BOSS http://developer.yahoo.com/boss api several months ago. You can even do a query and only get sites that have microformats and then use those results to build your sites or do additional work Here's a post I wrote about starting a simple semantic search engine using BOSS. http://www.bosshacks.com/build-semantic-search-boss.html Yahoo's SearchMonkey project bubbles up semantic data to the search results. This is the same data that is now avialable to you as a search api. Ted -----Original Message----- From: microformats-discuss-bounces@microformats.org [mailto:microformats-discuss-bounces@microformats.org] On Behalf Of Leonardo Boiko Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2009 8:57 PM To: Microformats Discuss Subject: Re: [uf-discuss] Google announces Microformats/RDFa support! Sweet! I see they're supporting hreview, hcard, and xfn. Now they just need to add hresume and perhaps I'll find a job (-_-); On Tue, May 12, 2009 at 4:31 PM, Manu Sporny wrote: > The subject line says it all - Google just announced support for various > Microformats and RDFa! -- Leonardo Boiko http://namakajiri.net _______________________________________________ microformats-discuss mailing list microformats-discuss@microformats.org http://microformats.org/mailman/listinfo/microformats-discuss From kavi at google.com Mon May 18 11:14:06 2009 From: kavi at google.com (Kavi Goel) Date: Mon May 18 11:14:12 2009 Subject: [uf-discuss] Re: Congrats to Kavi and team on their microformats implementation! Follow-up on examples In-Reply-To: <60cb038a0905131740k3dbbbcf2jd928d8640e0efb83@mail.gmail.com> References: <60cb038a0905131740k3dbbbcf2jd928d8640e0efb83@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <199b56630905181114w5a4c952fr352f08c03b6fc40a@mail.gmail.com> Tantek, Thank you very much for the congratulations. We are excited to be supporting microformats and using them to improve searching at Google. As per your suggestion, we've added entries to the implementations and search engines wiki pages and will continue to add links to the various microformats pages wherever appropriate. I would also like to reiterate Tantek's suggestion to provide feedback. Feedback is much appreciated -- we have already received feedback which we have incorporated to fix bugs in our documentation as well as improve our implementation. Although we can't make drastic changes instantly, we certainly pay attention to everything that is suggested. Kavi On Wed, May 13, 2009 at 5:40 PM, Tantek ?elik wrote: > > Kavi and team, > > Well done with your implementation of microformats as part of Google's > new rich snippets feature in search results! > > I encourage you to add an entry to the following wiki pages linking to > your implementation description page: > > http://microformats.org/wiki/implementations > http://microformats.org/wiki/search-engines > > And I also encourage anyone who has published hCard, hReview, > hCalendar, or hAtom (e.g. those of you that have added your sites to > the respective examples-in-wild pages [1] to submit their sites using > Google's form: > > http://www.google.com/support/webmasters/bin/request.py?contact_type=rich_snippets_feedback > > > I've also found microformats examples on the Google Webmasters forum > and wanted to bring them to the attention of the microformats > community: > > http://google.com/support/webmasters/bin/answer.py?answer=146645 > http://google.com/support/webmasters/bin/answer.py?answer=146646 > http://google.com/support/webmasters/bin/answer.py?answer=146750 > http://google.com/support/webmasters/bin/answer.py?answer=146861 > http://google.com/support/webmasters/bin/answer.py?answer=146897 > > > Kavi, if there are additional pages in the Webmasters forum that show > microformats examples, please feel free to reply and note them. > > It may be useful to create a wiki page (perhaps linked from your > entries on the above-mentioned wiki pages) that links to all the > google.com microformats example pages. > > > I encourage everyone to take a look at the microformats examples on > the above google.com pages and provide feedback (either here, or > preferably on a wiki page) including any suggested markup > improvements. > > Thanks! > > Tantek > > [1] Everyone who has added microformats to their pages should be sure > their site(s)/page(s) are listed in the respective examples in the > wild page on the wiki, e.g.: > http://microformats.org/wiki/hcard-examples-in-wild > http://microformats.org/wiki/hreview-examples-in-wild > http://microformats.org/wiki/hcalendar-examples-in-wild > > -- > http://tantek.com/ From tantek at cs.stanford.edu Tue May 19 02:42:27 2009 From: tantek at cs.stanford.edu (=?UTF-8?Q?Tantek_=C3=87elik?=) Date: Tue May 19 02:42:30 2009 Subject: [uf-discuss] Google search and examples (fixes), and Yahoo Search wiki page (was Re: Congrats to Kavi and team on their microformats implementation! Follow-up on examples) Message-ID: <60cb038a0905190242m739d2274i3aa45ef52d3aa66d@mail.gmail.com> On Mon, May 18, 2009 at 11:14 AM, Kavi Goel wrote: > > Tantek, > > Thank you very much for the congratulations. We are excited to be > supporting microformats and using them to improve searching at Google. > > As per your suggestion, we've added entries to the implementations and > search engines wiki pages and will continue to add links to the > various microformats pages wherever appropriate. Kavi, Thanks much for updating the wiki, very much appreciated, as that information will be much more findable than anything in email (even in archives). I added some more links and extracted the Google Search information from the "search-engines" page to its own page (leaving a summary in place, Wikipedia style) http://microformats.org/wiki/google-search Please take a look and edit/add to it as necessary. > I would also like to reiterate Tantek's suggestion to provide > feedback. Feedback is much appreciated I analyzed all microformats examples on Google Webmasters forum pages, found a few errors and opportunities for improvement (including microformats versions of the more expanded examples provided currently only as RDFa), and documented them here: http://microformats.org/wiki/google-rich-snippets-examples It would be great if you (and everyone else here familiar with hCard, hReview etc.) could take a look at the examples, corrections/improvements and verify and incorporate them. On Thu, May 14, 2009 at 1:56 AM, Ted Drake wrote: > Yahoo added rdf and microformat support to the Yahoo! BOSS > http://developer.yahoo.com/boss api several months ago. You can even do a > query and only get sites that have microformats and then use those results > to build your sites or do additional work > > Here's a post I wrote about starting a simple semantic search engine using > BOSS. > http://www.bosshacks.com/build-semantic-search-boss.html Ted, thanks very much for this heads up and reminder. I added this to the "search-engines" wiki page, and added sufficient details that it became clear Yahoo Search deserved its own page, which I've created (similarly leaving a summary in place on the search-engines page) http://microformats.org/wiki/yahoo-search Please take a look and add any more relevant details, documentation, and links. In particular, the YQL section is just a stub and could very much use some links to whatever is the best current YQL documentation and examples. Thanks again for all your great work Ted, Kavi, and your respective teams. Tantek From eob at csail.mit.edu Tue May 19 08:01:43 2009 From: eob at csail.mit.edu (Edward Benson) Date: Tue May 19 08:01:49 2009 Subject: [uf-discuss] A Simple Extension for Microformat Table Support Message-ID: <57af104b0905190801i5c661c8pc4f83a23dc79f49d@mail.gmail.com> Hi Microformatters, Our research group has been building several wiki- and blog-based tools for which microformat support would be a great fit. While looking at how we might integrate it, we came upon a suggestion for how microformats might incorporate a cleaner representation when used with tables. The fact that the element of a table doesn't actually contain anything makes it impossible (under the current rules) to stash meaningful information there from the microformat perspective. This means that we can put structured information across each row of a table, but not down the columns, leaving us to repeat microformat annotations across each row. Here is an example: ?? ?? ??
NameTitle
Thomas JeffersonPresident
John AdamsPresident
What if instead, when parsing the DOM to extract structured information, whenever a element is encountered, the corresponding element is treated as if it were the DOM parent of the element for that cell. This would allow us to stash information both on the rows *and* the columns of the table, allowing for a much more compact representation: ???? ?? ??
FirstLast
Thomas JeffersonPresident
John AdamsPresident
Let us know what you think. It makes tables fit much more naturally, from our personal aesthetic point of view. As such, it may make it much easier for template writers (think blog themes, Wikipedia Info Boxes, etc) to incorporate into their templates and content. Best, Ted Benson & David Karger MIT CSAIL Haystack http://haystack.csail.mit.edu From brian.suda at gmail.com Tue May 19 08:31:14 2009 From: brian.suda at gmail.com (Brian Suda) Date: Tue May 19 08:31:18 2009 Subject: [uf-discuss] A Simple Extension for Microformat Table Support In-Reply-To: <57af104b0905190801i5c661c8pc4f83a23dc79f49d@mail.gmail.com> References: <57af104b0905190801i5c661c8pc4f83a23dc79f49d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <21e770780905190831ne41572anc44594d47484bdca@mail.gmail.com> On Tue, May 19, 2009 at 4:01 PM, Edward Benson wrote: > The fact that the element of a table doesn't actually contain > anything makes it impossible (under the current rules) to stash > meaningful information there from the microformat perspective. This > means that we can put structured information across each row of a > table, but not down the columns, leaving us to repeat microformat > annotations across each row. > ... > Let us know what you think. It makes tables fit much more naturally, > from our personal aesthetic point of view. As such, it may make it > much easier for template writers (think blog themes, Wikipedia Info > Boxes, etc) to incorporate into their templates and content. --- There has been some work on this previously. It dealt with the little known table attributes, @header, @axis and the @id. Using the @id and @header it was possible to replicate what you are describing. Have a look at: http://microformats.org/wiki/hcalendar-brainstorming#Tabular_event_calendars If it still doesn't make sense, or needs to be better explained, let us know and we can iterate on it. Thanks, -brian -- brian suda http://suda.co.uk From mirko.gustony at gmail.com Wed May 20 04:30:37 2009 From: mirko.gustony at gmail.com (Mirko Gustony) Date: Wed May 20 04:30:41 2009 Subject: [uf-discuss] Re: An Inconvenient hCard Message-ID: Hello, making my way through the microformats I stumbled upon the type-internationalisation issue. Are there any news how to mark up a type for fax in microformats without misusing abbr? Regards, Mirko From mail at ciaranmcnulty.com Wed May 20 04:44:01 2009 From: mail at ciaranmcnulty.com (Ciaran McNulty) Date: Wed May 20 04:44:03 2009 Subject: [uf-discuss] Re: An Inconvenient hCard In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 12:30 PM, Mirko Gustony wrote: > making my way through the microformats I stumbled upon the > type-internationalisation issue. Are there any news how to mark up a > type for fax in microformats without misusing abbr? There's recently been a lot of work on the value-class-pattern [1] One of the examples is given as follows:

mobile +44 7773 000 000

This would seem to have obvious uses for i18n. -Ciaran McNulty [1] http://microformats.org/wiki/value-class-pattern#Parsing_value_from_a_title_attribute From lists at ben-ward.co.uk Wed May 20 10:25:19 2009 From: lists at ben-ward.co.uk (Ben Ward) Date: Wed May 20 10:25:25 2009 Subject: [uf-discuss] Re: An Inconvenient hCard In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <92E40B5C-F49A-4738-82EF-C35E2FA7AD82@ben-ward.co.uk> On 20 May 2009, at 04:44, Ciaran McNulty wrote: > On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 12:30 PM, Mirko Gustony > wrote: >> making my way through the microformats I stumbled upon the >> type-internationalisation issue. Are there any news how to mark up a >> type for fax in microformats without misusing abbr? > > There's recently been a lot of work on the value-class-pattern [1] > > One of the examples is given as follows: > >

> > > mobile > > +44 7773 000 000 >

> > This would seem to have obvious uses for i18n. Correct. The pattern is part-written for this exact user case (As a Brit, I've been loathe to the ?cell? / ?mobile? issue since I first got into microformats.) The value-class-pattern is valid for `type` in `tel`, and also in `adr` and `email`. FWIW, whilst we inherited these structures from vcard, I'm confident we will never create anything like it again. The community is more internationalisation aware now. A remaining to-do task for the pattern development is to update examples in the specs and related documents (datetimes and enumerations alike). Feedback much appreciated on the pattern (but please see the short http://microformats.org/wiki/value-class-pattern#FAQ as well.) Ben From mirko.gustony at gmail.com Thu May 21 06:09:21 2009 From: mirko.gustony at gmail.com (Mirko Gustony) Date: Thu May 21 06:15:58 2009 Subject: [uf-discuss] Re: An Inconvenient hCard In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4A155281.7060009@gmail.com> Hello, Ciaran McNulty schrieb: > There's recently been a lot of work on the value-class-pattern [1] thank you for pointing me to this. Greetings, Mirko From mirko.gustony at gmail.com Thu May 21 06:16:39 2009 From: mirko.gustony at gmail.com (Mirko Gustony) Date: Thu May 21 06:16:44 2009 Subject: [uf-discuss] Re: An Inconvenient hCard In-Reply-To: <92E40B5C-F49A-4738-82EF-C35E2FA7AD82@ben-ward.co.uk> References: <92E40B5C-F49A-4738-82EF-C35E2FA7AD82@ben-ward.co.uk> Message-ID: <4A155437.9040106@gmail.com> Hello, Ben Ward schrieb: > Correct. The pattern is part-written for this exact user case (As a > Brit, I've been loathe to the ?cell? / ?mobile? issue since I first got > into microformats.) I've had similar issues here for german telefax ... > The value-class-pattern is valid for `type` in `tel`, and also in `adr` > and `email`. FWIW, whilst we inherited these structures from vcard, I'm > confident we will never create anything like it again. The community is > more internationalisation aware now. Good to here this. > A remaining to-do task for the pattern development is to update examples > in the specs and related documents (datetimes and enumerations alike). I will have a look at it. So if you need a hand ... > Feedback much appreciated on the pattern (but please see the short > http://microformats.org/wiki/value-class-pattern#FAQ as well.) > > Ben Regards, Mirko From julian.rickards at gmail.com Fri May 22 11:09:54 2009 From: julian.rickards at gmail.com (Julian Rickards) Date: Fri May 22 11:09:59 2009 Subject: [uf-discuss] Re: An Inconvenient hCard In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7613e9690905221109w64129a7fwdc795dbdfc337b5c@mail.gmail.com> 2009/5/20 Mirko Gustony > > Hello, > > making my way through the microformats I stumbled upon the > type-internationalisation issue. Are there any news how to mark up a > type for fax in microformats without misusing abbr? > > Regards, > Mirko I thought you might have the answer to the problem I am having with our French contact pages. Our English contact page (http://www.mndm.gov.on.ca/mines/lands/pro/contact_e.asp) works fine but the French contact page (http://www.mndm.gov.on.ca/mines/lands/pro/contact_f.asp) misses the phone number because "work" is not a French word and therefore I can't use it but must use the French equivalent instead. I have tried both the abbr-pattern as well as the value-class-pattern and neither insert the phone number into a downloaded vCard. Any ideas would be appreciated. TIA, Jules -- E-mail: julian dot rickards at gmail dot com From danbri at danbri.org Fri May 22 11:20:18 2009 From: danbri at danbri.org (Dan Brickley) Date: Fri May 22 11:20:24 2009 Subject: [uf-discuss] Re: An Inconvenient hCard In-Reply-To: <7613e9690905221109w64129a7fwdc795dbdfc337b5c@mail.gmail.com> References: <7613e9690905221109w64129a7fwdc795dbdfc337b5c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4A16ECE2.60808@danbri.org> On 22/5/09 20:09, Julian Rickards wrote: > 2009/5/20 Mirko Gustony >> Hello, >> >> making my way through the microformats I stumbled upon the >> type-internationalisation issue. Are there any news how to mark up a >> type for fax in microformats without misusing abbr? >> >> Regards, >> Mirko > > I thought you might have the answer to the problem I am having with > our French contact pages. Our English contact page > (http://www.mndm.gov.on.ca/mines/lands/pro/contact_e.asp) works fine > but the French contact page > (http://www.mndm.gov.on.ca/mines/lands/pro/contact_f.asp) misses the > phone number because "work" is not a French word and therefore I can't > use it but must use the French equivalent instead. > > I have tried both the abbr-pattern as well as the value-class-pattern > and neither insert the phone number into a downloaded vCard. What tool(s) are you using? Dan From julian.rickards at gmail.com Fri May 22 11:30:52 2009 From: julian.rickards at gmail.com (Julian Rickards) Date: Fri May 22 12:22:57 2009 Subject: [uf-discuss] Re: An Inconvenient hCard In-Reply-To: <4A16ECE2.60808@danbri.org> References: <7613e9690905221109w64129a7fwdc795dbdfc337b5c@mail.gmail.com> <4A16ECE2.60808@danbri.org> Message-ID: <7613e9690905221130n5d28b86cx806499e10e390ee3@mail.gmail.com> >> I thought you might have the answer to the problem I am having with >> our French contact pages. Our English contact page >> (http://www.mndm.gov.on.ca/mines/lands/pro/contact_e.asp) works fine >> but the French contact page >> (http://www.mndm.gov.on.ca/mines/lands/pro/contact_f.asp) misses the >> phone number because "work" is not a French word and therefore I can't >> use it but must use the French equivalent instead. >> >> I have tried both the abbr-pattern as well as the value-class-pattern >> and neither insert the phone number into a downloaded vCard. > > What tool(s) are you using? > I am hand-coding the hCard code and using suda.co.uk to parse the information. I tried with Technorati.com/contacts but same results. Jules -- E-mail: julian dot rickards at gmail dot com From lists at ben-ward.co.uk Fri May 22 11:31:05 2009 From: lists at ben-ward.co.uk (Ben Ward) Date: Fri May 22 12:48:50 2009 Subject: [uf-discuss] Re: An Inconvenient hCard In-Reply-To: <7613e9690905221109w64129a7fwdc795dbdfc337b5c@mail.gmail.com> References: <7613e9690905221109w64129a7fwdc795dbdfc337b5c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On 22 May 2009, at 11:09, Julian Rickards wrote: > I thought you might have the answer to the problem I am having with > our French contact pages. Our English contact page > (http://www.mndm.gov.on.ca/mines/lands/pro/contact_e.asp) works fine > but the French contact page > (http://www.mndm.gov.on.ca/mines/lands/pro/contact_f.asp) misses the > phone number because "work" is not a French word and therefore I can't > use it but must use the French equivalent instead. > > I have tried both the abbr-pattern as well as the value-class-pattern > and neither insert the phone number into a downloaded vCard. > > Any ideas would be appreciated. Internationalisation is certainly an incorrect usage of the abbreviation pattern and should be avoided (the English title will be exposed to your French readers). The value-class-pattern is the correct way to mark-up this content, but, because it is very new, parsers are still implementing support for it. That's why you probably don't see it in downloaded vcards yet. This will improve over the next few months. Which parser are you using to do the conversion to vcard? Ben From julian.rickards at gmail.com Sat May 23 05:38:55 2009 From: julian.rickards at gmail.com (Julian Rickards) Date: Sat May 23 05:38:59 2009 Subject: [uf-discuss] Re: An Inconvenient hCard In-Reply-To: References: <7613e9690905221109w64129a7fwdc795dbdfc337b5c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <7613e9690905230538u4e71d2bv16d52db9a1c3d3ad@mail.gmail.com> 2009/5/22 Ben Ward : > ?Internationalisation is certainly an incorrect usage of the abbreviation > pattern and should be avoided (the English title will be exposed to your > French readers). > > ?The value-class-pattern is the correct way to mark-up this content, but, > because it is very new, parsers are still implementing support for it. > That's why you probably don't see it in downloaded vcards yet. This will > improve over the next few months. > > Which parser are you using to do the conversion to vcard? I think the correct answer is suda.co.uk. -- E-mail: julian dot rickards at gmail dot com From brian.suda at gmail.com Sat May 23 05:50:44 2009 From: brian.suda at gmail.com (Brian Suda) Date: Sat May 23 05:50:47 2009 Subject: [uf-discuss] Re: An Inconvenient hCard In-Reply-To: <7613e9690905230538u4e71d2bv16d52db9a1c3d3ad@mail.gmail.com> References: <7613e9690905221109w64129a7fwdc795dbdfc337b5c@mail.gmail.com> <7613e9690905230538u4e71d2bv16d52db9a1c3d3ad@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <21e770780905230550m7a81d212p88d75dfe8feac10d@mail.gmail.com> On Sat, May 23, 2009 at 1:38 PM, Julian Rickards wrote: >> Which parser are you using to do the conversion to vcard? > > I think the correct answer is suda.co.uk. --- i have added value-class pattern, but must have missed it for the TYPES. I'll confirm this and get it fixed in the next few days. -brian -- brian suda http://suda.co.uk From julian.rickards at gmail.com Sat May 23 11:31:52 2009 From: julian.rickards at gmail.com (Julian Rickards) Date: Sat May 23 11:31:57 2009 Subject: [uf-discuss] Re: An Inconvenient hCard In-Reply-To: <21e770780905230550m7a81d212p88d75dfe8feac10d@mail.gmail.com> References: <7613e9690905221109w64129a7fwdc795dbdfc337b5c@mail.gmail.com> <7613e9690905230538u4e71d2bv16d52db9a1c3d3ad@mail.gmail.com> <21e770780905230550m7a81d212p88d75dfe8feac10d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <7613e9690905231131l59f4082dr8e9aeff60c52f1d5@mail.gmail.com> 2009/5/23 Brian Suda : > --- i have added value-class pattern, but must have missed it for the > TYPES. I'll confirm this and get it fixed in the next few days. > > -brian Very cool!!! I look forward to seeing it. Jules -- E-mail: julian dot rickards at gmail dot com From brian.suda at gmail.com Sun May 24 03:25:13 2009 From: brian.suda at gmail.com (Brian Suda) Date: Sun May 24 03:54:28 2009 Subject: [uf-discuss] Re: An Inconvenient hCard In-Reply-To: <7613e9690905231131l59f4082dr8e9aeff60c52f1d5@mail.gmail.com> References: <7613e9690905221109w64129a7fwdc795dbdfc337b5c@mail.gmail.com> <7613e9690905230538u4e71d2bv16d52db9a1c3d3ad@mail.gmail.com> <21e770780905230550m7a81d212p88d75dfe8feac10d@mail.gmail.com> <7613e9690905231131l59f4082dr8e9aeff60c52f1d5@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <21e770780905240325o6b1d355ds99b221bc86872ca1@mail.gmail.com> On Sat, May 23, 2009 at 7:31 PM, Julian Rickards wrote: > 2009/5/23 Brian Suda : > >> --- i have added value-class pattern, but must have missed it for the >> TYPES. I'll confirm this and get it fixed in the next few days. >> >> -brian > > Very cool!!! I look forward to seeing it. I had a look at your mark-up and i think the problem is there. (Once it is changed, X2V might still need updating?) You have:
Num?ro de t?l?phone: (705) 123-4567
The TYPE is still "Num?ro de t?l?phone" because the class="type" is on the span, if you move the class="type" to the ABBR then it would pull the @title value of "work". It is also possible to use the new value-title pattern instead. If you are still having problems, let me know. -brian -- brian suda http://suda.co.uk From julian.rickards at gmail.com Sun May 24 07:19:47 2009 From: julian.rickards at gmail.com (Julian Rickards) Date: Sun May 24 07:19:51 2009 Subject: [uf-discuss] Re: An Inconvenient hCard In-Reply-To: <21e770780905240325o6b1d355ds99b221bc86872ca1@mail.gmail.com> References: <7613e9690905221109w64129a7fwdc795dbdfc337b5c@mail.gmail.com> <7613e9690905230538u4e71d2bv16d52db9a1c3d3ad@mail.gmail.com> <21e770780905230550m7a81d212p88d75dfe8feac10d@mail.gmail.com> <7613e9690905231131l59f4082dr8e9aeff60c52f1d5@mail.gmail.com> <21e770780905240325o6b1d355ds99b221bc86872ca1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <7613e9690905240719j18d597csd6c3e62d13103dc7@mail.gmail.com> 2009/5/24 Brian Suda : > I had a look at your mark-up and i think the problem is there. (Once > it is changed, X2V might still need updating?) > > You have: >
Num?ro de > t?l?phone: (705) > 123-4567
> > The TYPE is still "Num?ro de t?l?phone" because the class="type" is on > the span, if you move the class="type" to the ABBR then it would pull > the @title value of "work". It is also possible to use the new > value-title pattern instead. > > If you are still having problems, let me know. On Monday, I will give this a try and let you know how it works: thanks for the extra effort to help. -- E-mail: julian dot rickards at gmail dot com From chris at chriscressman.com Mon May 25 10:47:35 2009 From: chris at chriscressman.com (Chris Cressman) Date: Mon May 25 10:47:38 2009 Subject: [uf-discuss] dtstart and dtend with value class pattern Message-ID: <3d99ba250905251047r79c038beh48736993ce1d7ca5@mail.gmail.com> I'd like to mark up the example below with a dtstart and dtend. I've done this in the past using the abbr design pattern. I'd like to use the value class pattern instead. However, I haven't been able to find any examples of the value class pattern that include both a dtstart and dtend. Can someone recommend markup for my example below? I'd like to include machine readable datetimes without changing the human readable text. Thank you. Chris Example:

Saturday, June 13, 2009, 4pm–7pm

dtstart: 2009-06-13T20:00:00Z dtend: 2009-06-13T23:00:00Z From scott at randomchaos.com Mon May 25 13:01:59 2009 From: scott at randomchaos.com (Scott Reynen) Date: Mon May 25 13:02:07 2009 Subject: [uf-discuss] dtstart and dtend with value class pattern In-Reply-To: <3d99ba250905251047r79c038beh48736993ce1d7ca5@mail.gmail.com> References: <3d99ba250905251047r79c038beh48736993ce1d7ca5@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <0D4D3815-2E9B-45CF-AC2E-6BEA08B69AC7@randomchaos.com> On May 25, 2009, at 11:47 AM, Chris Cressman wrote: > I'd like to mark up the example below with a dtstart and dtend. I've > done this in the past using the abbr design pattern. I'd like to use > the value class pattern instead. However, I haven't been able to find > any examples of the value class pattern that include both a dtstart > and dtend. Can someone recommend markup for my example below? I'd like > to include machine readable datetimes without changing the human > readable text. Thank you. > > Chris > > > Example:

Saturday, June 13, 2009, 4pm–7pm

> > dtstart: 2009-06-13T20:00:00Z > > dtend: 2009-06-13T23:00:00Z By my reading of the value class pattern [1], you want this:

Saturday, June 13, 2009, 4pm– 7pm

[1] http://microformats.org/wiki/value-class-pattern Peace, Scott From chris at chriscressman.com Mon May 25 13:49:03 2009 From: chris at chriscressman.com (Chris Cressman) Date: Mon May 25 13:49:08 2009 Subject: [uf-discuss] dtstart and dtend with value class pattern In-Reply-To: <0D4D3815-2E9B-45CF-AC2E-6BEA08B69AC7@randomchaos.com> References: <3d99ba250905251047r79c038beh48736993ce1d7ca5@mail.gmail.com> <0D4D3815-2E9B-45CF-AC2E-6BEA08B69AC7@randomchaos.com> Message-ID: <3d99ba250905251349w40f584aao57e741538f899dcf@mail.gmail.com> Thanks. That appears to be very close to what I want, however, it includes an unwanted whitespace character between the en dash and the 7. I'll experiment with this further. On Mon, May 25, 2009 at 4:01 PM, Scott Reynen wrote: > On May 25, 2009, at 11:47 AM, Chris Cressman wrote: > >> I'd like to mark up the example below with a dtstart and dtend. I've >> done this in the past using the abbr design pattern. I'd like to use >> the value class pattern instead. However, I haven't been able to find >> any examples of the value class pattern that include both a dtstart >> and dtend. Can someone recommend markup for my example below? I'd like >> to include machine readable datetimes without changing the human >> readable text. Thank you. >> >> Chris >> >> >> Example:

Saturday, June 13, 2009, 4pm–7pm

>> >> dtstart: 2009-06-13T20:00:00Z >> >> dtend: 2009-06-13T23:00:00Z > > By my reading of the value class pattern [1], you want this: > >

title="2009-06-13T20:00:00Z"> Saturday, June 13, 2009, > 4pm– title="2009-06-13T23:00:00Z"> 7pm

> > [1] http://microformats.org/wiki/value-class-pattern > > Peace, > Scott > > _______________________________________________ > microformats-discuss mailing list > microformats-discuss@microformats.org > http://microformats.org/mailman/listinfo/microformats-discuss > From lists at ben-ward.co.uk Tue May 26 13:50:54 2009 From: lists at ben-ward.co.uk (Ben Ward) Date: Tue May 26 13:50:59 2009 Subject: [uf-discuss] Re: An Inconvenient hCard In-Reply-To: <7613e9690905240719j18d597csd6c3e62d13103dc7@mail.gmail.com> References: <7613e9690905221109w64129a7fwdc795dbdfc337b5c@mail.gmail.com> <7613e9690905230538u4e71d2bv16d52db9a1c3d3ad@mail.gmail.com> <21e770780905230550m7a81d212p88d75dfe8feac10d@mail.gmail.com> <7613e9690905231131l59f4082dr8e9aeff60c52f1d5@mail.gmail.com> <21e770780905240325o6b1d355ds99b221bc86872ca1@mail.gmail.com> <7613e9690905240719j18d597csd6c3e62d13103dc7@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <3F4D2838-CC70-4B80-8FE9-DC5813A6F175@ben-ward.co.uk> On 24 May 2009, at 07:19, Julian Rickards wrote: >> You have: >>
Num?ro de >> t?l?phone: (705) >> 123-4567
>> >> The TYPE is still "Num?ro de t?l?phone" because the class="type" is >> on >> the span, if you move the class="type" to the ABBR then it would pull >> the @title value of "work". It is also possible to use the new >> value-title pattern instead. >> >> If you are still having problems, let me know. > > On Monday, I will give this a try and let you know how it works: > thanks for the extra effort to help. So, using the new internationalisation friendly value-class pattern, what you want here is either: >
> > > Num?ro de t?l?phone > : > (705) 123-4567 >
? this will have the en-us ?work? invisible Or >
> > Num?ro de t?l?phone > : > (705) 123-4567 >
? This keeps the ?work? value as a tool-top, should you want that for any reason. B From elli at sustainlane.com Fri May 29 19:23:38 2009 From: elli at sustainlane.com (Elli Albek) Date: Fri May 29 19:23:44 2009 Subject: [uf-discuss] Any bettter way to do an include in hreview? Message-ID: <684A625CCE7F44A4B7B764A43398C7E1@ealbek> Hi, We have the typical page with one business information on top and many reviews for that business on the page. Currently, each and every hreview contains:
business review of a class="include" href="#review_item">Hello World Business Name
The class microformat_detail is basically making this section invisible (display=none). Is there any better way of doing it, without repeating all that information in each review. I would assume that if #review_item is a business, then this info is a property of that object, and not a property of a review of that object. Ideally we would move all the information to the hcard of the business, so it is not repeated in every review. Same idea as normalizing a SQL schema, we put the type as business in the listings table, and not repeat it on every review in the reviews table. In addition, I suspect that the include pattern is not widely supported, since the engineers had a few problems with parsers in the past (optimus supports it). Elli