[uf-discuss] schema.org, microformats.org, hRecipe

Derrick Pallas derrick at pallas.us
Wed Jun 29 07:33:52 PDT 2011

Notice that they have an itemscope in HTML5, something many people 
talked about on microformats.org for years. A few years ago it was 
brought up on a regular basis by newcomers, about twice a year; said 
newcomers were then driven out of the community. So there was 
discussion, just not very nice nor very productive. When I worked for 
Alexa, I had actual parsing uses-cases for such a feature as well as 
publishing use-cases and I was one of those newcomers, not the first and 
not the last. Not everyone tried to follow the process but I did, to the 
same end. After everything, the elitism of uf.org turned me off to the 
whole effort. That's not to say uf.org isn't full of nice, intelligent 
people — it is — just that I decided not to waste my time trying to be 
in the cabal. And this email is not intended to beat a dead horse, just 
to share my own experiences. ~D

On 6/29/2011 2:55 AM, thomas lörtsch wrote:
> Hi all,
> I don't want to discuss the schema.org effort in general here, although there surely is a lot to discuss about it. My question is how collaboration between Google.com and microformats.org is organized, where it's taking place, who is involved. I'm sure there is and has always been some informal exchange, since people happen to know each other, meet at confernces or other events etc, and of course that's fine with me. I was wondering though when I read the following statement in a transcript of the Schema.org BOF at SemTech 2011<http://www.w3.org/2011/06/semtech-bof-notes.html>:
>> [...]
>> Kevin Marks: Microformats says have a discussion first. You did that with hRecipe, so I'm surprsed to see you didnt go through that here. That'a the difference in phsilophy
>> Tantek Çelik: Google (Kavi in particular!) successfully worked with the open community on both hReview-aggregate and hRecipe - openly.
>> [...]
>> Kevin Marks: hRecipe was a great example of how Google can do this.
>> [...]
> This sounds like quite some conversations, discussions and thorough work. Now I wonder: how specifically did that "great" and "successfull" work "with the open community" go? Where did it take place? Who was involved? And what exactly was worked out?
> I won't hesitate to admit that I wasn't a very good editor of hRecipe since summer 2009 but I still am the editor as indicated on the hRecipe wikipage. I wasn't contacted by anyone regarding Rich Snippets, Schema.org or any other Google activity. Also I couldn't find any mention on the mailinglists or on the wiki. So, please: what's going on, what did I miss? Or how is this "open"?
> Since Schema.org now promotes a recipe vocabulary that is slightly different from hRecipe and also more elaborated I would like to discuss what to do about that: maybe analyze the differences, observe uptake, then align hRecipe where appropriate etc. But before I start to work on that I'd like to understand what happened until now.
> Cheers,
> Thomas Lörtsch
> °|´<  in pursuit of the gestalt of it all />
> ^^^
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