Brian, Thanks for this.  I have revised the listing _somewhat_. <div style="margin-left: 40px;"><ul class="vcalendar"><li class="vevent"><a class="url" href="/cgi-bin/events.cgi?key=200506150337&amp;action=getevent" class="summary">Orange Tree Theatre : Monkey&#8217;s Uncle</a> <abbr class="dtstart" title="2005105 OctT1945">5 Oct  - 5 Nov 7:45-10pm</abbr><abbr class="dtend" title="2005105 OctT1945"></abbr> <a href="<a href="http://www.stmgrts.org.uk/cgi-bin/directory.cgi?key=200506150221&amp;action=getlisting"">http://www.stmgrts.org.uk/cgi-bin/directory.cgi?key=200506150221&amp;action=getlisting"</a>>Orange Tree Theatre</a></li> <li class="vevent"><a class="url" href="/cgi-bin/events.cgi?key=200506150428&amp;action=getevent" class="summary">Richmond Theatre : Jungle Book</a> <abbr class="dtstart" title="20051011-15">11-15 October &nbsp;</abbr><abbr class="dtend" title="20051011-15"></abbr> <a href="<a href="http://www.stmgrts.org.uk/cgi-bin/directory.cgi?key=200506150229&amp;action=getlisting"">http://www.stmgrts.org.uk/cgi-bin/directory.cgi?key=200506150229&amp;action=getlisting"</a>>Richmond Theatre</a></li> <li class="vevent"><a class="url" href="/cgi-bin/events.cgi?key=200506150430&amp;action=getevent" class="summary">Richmond Theatre : Harry Hill</a> <abbr class="dtstart" title="20051019T1945">Wednesday, 19 October 7:45-9pm</abbr><abbr class="dtend" title="20051019T1945"></abbr> <a href="<a href="http://www.stmgrts.org.uk/cgi-bin/directory.cgi?key=200506150229&amp;action=getlisting"">http://www.stmgrts.org.uk/cgi-bin/directory.cgi?key=200506150229&amp;action=getlisting"</a>>Richmond Theatre</a></li> <li class="vevent"><a class="url" href="/cgi-bin/events.cgi?key=200506150433&amp;action=getevent" class="summary">Richmond Theatre : Swan Lake</a> <abbr class="dtstart" title="20051020-22">20-22 October &nbsp;</abbr><abbr class="dtend" title="20051020-22"></abbr> <a href="<a href="http://www.stmgrts.org.uk/cgi-bin/directory.cgi?key=200506150229&amp;action=getlisting"">http://www.stmgrts.org.uk/cgi-bin/directory.cgi?key=200506150229&amp;action=getlisting"</a>>Richmond Theatre</a></li> </ul> </div> My issue/question regarding end dates is this... I want to have different types of end dates based on the time span involved. For example, Multiple dates in a single month: 20-22 October NOT 20 October - 22 October Dates that span months: 22 October - 2 November FINE IN FORMAT Dates with one date and multiple hours: 19 October 7:45-9pm FINE IN FORMAT? can you do 19 October 7:45pm</abbr><abbr ...>9:00pm</abbr> , I don't want 19 October 7:45pm - 19 October 9:00pm Dates with only a start time: 19 October 9pm NOT 19 October - 19 October Also, the reason I don't want the location is for spacing... I assume hiding it wouldn't affect a parser -- right? Thanks again for your help. Peter <div>On 10/12/05, brian suda <<a href="mailto:brian.suda@gmail.com">brian.suda@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"> This is a good example of several things: Here is a snippit of the code <li> <a class="url" href="/cgi-bin/events.cgi?key=200505240357&amp;action=getevent"> Eel Pie Club : The Errol Linton Band </a> <abbr class="dtstart" title="20051012T2030">Wednesday, 12 October 8:30pm</abbr> <abbr class="dtend" title="20051012T2030"></abbr> <a href="<a href="http://www.stmgrts.org.uk/cgi-bin/directory.cgi?key=200505230524&amp;action=getlisting""> http://www.stmgrts.org.uk/cgi-bin/directory.cgi?key=200505230524&amp;action=getlisting"</a>>The Cabbage Patch Public House</a> </li> This can be condensed quite abit: <li class="vevent"> <a class="url summary" href="/cgi-bin/events.cgi?key=200505240357&amp;action=getevent">Eel Pie Club : The Errol Linton Band</a> <abbr class="dtstart" title="20051012T2030">Wednesday, 12 October 8:30pm</abbr>- <abbr class="dtend" title="20051012T2030">late</abbr> <a href="<a href="http://www.stmgrts.org.uk/cgi-bin/directory.cgi?key=200505230524&amp;action=getlisting">http://www.stmgrts.org.uk/cgi-bin/directory.cgi?key=200505230524&amp;action=getlisting</a>" class="location">The Cabbage Patch Public House</a> </li> This also show that you should be putting some information into the DTEND, or add a DURATION option and say it last 1 hour or something. Hiding data is a bad idea, and so is leaving information empty. I don't really consider this a problem with the parsers. -brian Peter Mahnke wrote: > I have implemented hCalendar formatting on <a href="http://www.stmgrts.org.uk">http://www.stmgrts.org.uk</a> > on the homepage, but I don't know how to test it. > > I didn't want to implement end dates except as an empty <abbr></abbrt> > and I hid location via css. > > I have tried to test with a greasemonkey script, but that didn't parse > things correctly. > > What can I do now? > > Thanks, > > Peter > > -- > Peter Mahnke > <a href="http://www.transitionelement.com/">http://www.transitionelement.com/ </a> > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >_______________________________________________ >microformats-discuss mailing list ><a href="mailto:microformats-discuss@microformats.org"> microformats-discuss@microformats.org</a> ><a href="http://microformats.org/mailman/listinfo/microformats-discuss">http://microformats.org/mailman/listinfo/microformats-discuss</a> > > _______________________________________________ microformats-discuss mailing list <a href="mailto:microformats-discuss@microformats.org">microformats-discuss@microformats.org</a> <a href="http://microformats.org/mailman/listinfo/microformats-discuss">http://microformats.org/mailman/listinfo/microformats-discuss </a> </blockquote></div> -- Peter Mahnke <a href="http://www.transitionelement.com/">http://www.transitionelement.com/</a>