<HTML><BODY style="word-wrap: break-word; -khtml-nbsp-mode: space; -khtml-line-break: after-white-space; ">Thanks for the links, Mark. The last object links is very interesting. I the <param> tags and the object within an object adds lots of flexibility. I might argue for a bit more, or perhaps more browser recognition. Or I might continue to be provocative and say <object> is pretty geeky compared -- we don't have a <document> tag with <params> for describing paragraphs. <DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV><DIV>But it is something...</DIV><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><FONT class="Apple-style-span" color="#791C1A" face="Courier" size="3"><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 13px;"><P><OBJECT declare</SPAN></FONT></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><FONT class="Apple-style-span" color="#791C1A" face="Courier" size="3"><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 13px;"> </SPAN></FONT><FONT class="Apple-style-span" color="#791C1A" face="Courier" size="3"><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 13px;">id="tribune"</SPAN></FONT></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><FONT class="Apple-style-span" color="#791C1A" face="Courier" size="3"><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 13px;"> </SPAN></FONT><FONT class="Apple-style-span" color="#791C1A" face="Courier" size="3"><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 13px;">type="application/x-webfont"</SPAN></FONT></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><FONT class="Apple-style-span" color="#791C1A" face="Courier" size="3"><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 13px;"> </SPAN></FONT><FONT class="Apple-style-span" color="#791C1A" face="Courier" size="3"><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 13px;">data="tribune.gif"></SPAN></FONT></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><FONT class="Apple-style-span" color="#791C1A" face="Courier" size="3"><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 13px;"></OBJECT></SPAN></FONT></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><FONT class="Apple-style-span" color="#791C1A" face="Courier" size="3"><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 13px;"><I>...view the poem in KublaKhan.txt here...</I></SPAN></FONT></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><FONT class="Apple-style-span" color="#791C1A" face="Courier" size="3"><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 13px;"><P><OBJECT classid="<A href="http://foo.bar.com/poem_viewer">http://foo.bar.com/poem_viewer</A>"</SPAN></FONT><FONT class="Apple-style-span" color="#791C1A" face="Courier" size="3"><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 13px;"> </SPAN></FONT></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><FONT class="Apple-style-span" color="#791C1A" face="Courier" size="3"><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 13px;"> </SPAN></FONT><FONT class="Apple-style-span" color="#791C1A" face="Courier" size="3"><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 13px;">data="KublaKhan.txt"></SPAN></FONT></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><FONT class="Apple-style-span" color="#791C1A" face="Courier" size="3"><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 13px;"><PARAM name="font" valuetype="object" value="#tribune"></SPAN></FONT></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><FONT class="Apple-style-span" color="#791C1A" face="Courier" size="3"><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 13px;"><P>You're missing a really cool poem viewer ...</SPAN></FONT></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><FONT class="Apple-style-span" color="#791C1A" face="Courier" size="3"><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 13px;"></OBJECT></SPAN></FONT></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><FONT class="Apple-style-span" color="#791C1A" face="Courier" size="3"><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 13px;"><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></SPAN></FONT></DIV><DIV>Greg Elin</DIV><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"><DIV><DIV><DIV>On Oct 30, 2005, at 5:37 PM, Mark Pilgrim wrote:</DIV><BR class="Apple-interchange-newline"><BLOCKQUOTE type="cite"><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">On 10/30/05, Ryan King <<A href="mailto:ryan@technorati.com">ryan@technorati.com</A>> wrote:</DIV> <BR><BLOCKQUOTE type="cite"><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">Actually, that's not true. You can use <object> for images [http://</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40/struct/objects.html#edef-OBJECT], and, in</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">fact, in XHTML 2, that's the only way to include images.</DIV> <BR></BLOCKQUOTE><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><object> is broken in IE/Win, which always treats it as an ActiveX</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">object and may present security warnings, show too much (including all</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">nested fallback objects), or show nothing at all.</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><A href="http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-ig/2002AprJun/0865.html">http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-ig/2002AprJun/0865.html</A></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><A href="http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-ig/2002AprJun/0868.html">http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-ig/2002AprJun/0868.html</A></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><A href="http://www.robinlionheart.com/stds/html4/objects.html">http://www.robinlionheart.com/stds/html4/objects.html</A></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">Also, <img> was reintroduced to XHTML 2, no doubt after a vigorous and</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">healthy debate in which all parties treated each other with mutual</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">respect.<SPAN class="Apple-converted-space"> </SPAN>But now it has a different content model than <img> in XHTML</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">1 and HTML 4, which just goes to show that mutual respect is for</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">chumps.</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><A href="http://www.w3.org/TR/2005/WD-xhtml2-20050527/mod-image.html">http://www.w3.org/TR/2005/WD-xhtml2-20050527/mod-image.html</A></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><A href="http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/struct/objects.html#h-13.2">http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/struct/objects.html#h-13.2</A></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">--</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">Cheers,</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">-Mark</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">_______________________________________________</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">microformats-discuss mailing list</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><A href="mailto:microformats-discuss@microformats.org">microformats-discuss@microformats.org</A></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><A href="http://microformats.org/mailman/listinfo/microformats-discuss">http://microformats.org/mailman/listinfo/microformats-discuss</A></DIV> <BR class="Apple-interchange-newline"></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV><BR></DIV></DIV></DIV></BODY></HTML>