Hello,<br><br>We had some discussing before about using <img>'s and "alt" attributes.  And, if I remember what was decided before, then shouldn't this instead be:<br><br><div style="margin-left: 40px;"><font size="2"> <dfn </font><font size="2">class="rating" title="2 [0,5]"</font><font size="2">><img src="stars-2-0.gif" alt="* *" /></dfn></font></div><br><br>See ya<br><br><div><span class="gmail_quote">On 1/15/06, <b class="gmail_sendername">Paul Bryson </b> <<a href="mailto:paul@msn.com">paul@msn.com</a>> wrote:</span><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"> <div><font face="Arial" size="2">"Paul Bryson" wrote...</font></div> <div><font face="Arial" size="2">> "Ryan King" wrote...<span class="q"><br>>> Yeah, AFAICT, there's no commonly used format for ranges used on the  web <br>>> (or elsewhere, for that matter), so we have little prior art in  terms of <br>>> previous formats. However, we still have prior art in terms  of examples <br>>> of emergent human behavior on the web.<br>> <br>> On the web, no.  Elsewhere?  Most certainly.  I think staticians would be a <br>> little frustrated if they didn't have a common way to share information. <br>> Now if that way is useful to us is something entirely different.<br></span></font></div> <div><font face="Arial" size="2">I talked this over with some friends of mine, (mathematics PHD candidate, astronomy PHD candidate w/ BS in physics, and a candidate in computer E) and here is what they came up with.</font></div> <div><font face="Arial" size="2"></font> </div> <div><font face="Arial" size="2">The way to express a number exists in a specific range is:</font></div> <div>x $B":(B [y,z]</div> <div><font face="Arial" size="2"></font> </div> <div><font face="Arial" size="2">This is the only existing standard that I know of, and it is extremely common in mathematics, so I think it is the only thing that can be pulled from.  The use of the "element of" symbol greatly complicates matters, and should be unnecessary in the context, so I would suggest it be dropped entirely.  </font></div> <div><font face="Arial" size="2"></font> </div> <div><font face="Arial" size="2">The format I would suggest is:</font></div> <div><font size="2">x [y,z]</font></div> <div><font face="Arial" size="2"></font> </div> <div> <div><font face="Arial" size="2">So in practice, to represent a rating of 4.3 in a range of 1 to 5 inclusive would be:</font></div> <div><font size="2">"4.3 [1,5]"</font></div> <div><font face="Arial" size="2"></font> </div> <div><font face="Arial" size="2">With the lower limit dropped as a default value:</font></div> <div><font size="2">"4.3 [5]"</font></div> <div><font face="Arial" size="2"></font> </div> <div><font face="Arial" size="2">And with the lower and upper limit dropped as default values:</font></div> <div><font size="2">"4.3"</font></div></div> <div><font face="Arial" size="2"></font> </div> <div><font size="2"><font face="Arial">Then placing this in the TITLE attribute would allow the content creator to include the information in a way that isn't immediately visible to the end user, but still available.  </font><font face="Arial">To use an example from my earlier email:</font></font></div><span class="q"> <div><font size="2"><img src="stars-2-0.gif" /></font></div></span> <div><font face="Arial" size="2">would become</font></div> <div><font size="2"><img src="stars-2-0.gif" class="rating" title="2 [0,5]" /></font></div> <div><font face="Arial" size="2"></font> </div> <div><font face="Arial" size="2">It should also be easy to write, and for a parser to grab the information from the document, keeping in line with the "enable decentralized development of resources, tools..." goal of microformats.</font></div> <div><font face="Arial" size="2"></font> </div> <div><font face="Arial" size="2">The only part of Microformats design goals that I'm not sure about is "human readable".  I have personally taken Calculus classes (one recently), so it immediately was clear to me what the idea meant, being something that was oft used there.  But I'm not sure that the average person would make the jump.  </font></div> <div><font face="Arial" size="2"></font> </div> <div><font face="Arial" size="2">What were people's impressions when they read it?  Did it make sense, or was it too obfuscated?  Is there a better way to simplify it further that would make more sense?</font></div> <div><font face="Arial" size="2"></font> </div> <div><font face="Arial" size="2"></font> </div> <div><font face="Arial" size="2">Atamido</font></div> <div><font face="Arial" size="2"></font> </div> <div><font face="Arial" size="2">More information about the concept available here:</font></div> <div><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Element_%28mathematics" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)"><font face="Arial" size="2">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Element_(mathematics</font> </a><font face="Arial" size="2">)</font></div> <div><font face="Arial" size="2">And the "element of" symbol is </font></div> <div><font face="Arial" size="2">&isin;  HTML</font></div> <div><font face="Arial" size="2">#8712   decimal</font></div> <div><font face="Arial" size="2">h2208  hex</font></div> <div><font face="Arial" size="2"></font> </div> <div><font face="Arial" size="2"></font> </div> <br>_______________________________________________<br>microformats-discuss mailing list<br><a onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)" href="mailto:microformats-discuss@microformats.org">microformats-discuss@microformats.org </a><br><a onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)" href="http://microformats.org/mailman/listinfo/microformats-discuss" target="_blank">http://microformats.org/mailman/listinfo/microformats-discuss</a><br><br> <br></blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><br>-- <br>    Charles 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