<HTML><BODY style="word-wrap: break-word; -khtml-nbsp-mode: space; -khtml-line-break: after-white-space; "><DIV>Hi Greg,</DIV><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>Thanks for the heads up on that one. I confused that part of last night's rough schema. In fact, the Source category is for a citation about where the information came from (as you recommend), and the Location category is intended for information about where the work of art is physically located. Dublin Core and VRA Core are in agreement on that one (and there are even some examples of Source vs. Location down at the bottom of the VRA Core page: <A href="http://www.vraweb.org/vracore3.htm">http://www.vraweb.org/vracore3.htm</A>)</DIV><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>That said, since the source of the citation is a characteristic common to all citations, I'd be inclined to keep it out of the work of art microformat and instead try to get it included in the citation microformat.</DIV><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>Tim.</DIV><BR><DIV><DIV>On Apr 14, 2006, at 7:36 AM, Greg Elin wrote:</DIV><BR class="Apple-interchange-newline"><BLOCKQUOTE type="cite">Tim,<BR><BR>Have you considered adding a parameter or two indicating <SPAN style="font-style: italic;">who</SPAN> created the citation. Citations in the paper world (e.g., footnotes, endnotes) are locked into the document they exit. Citations in the digital world can float freely -- that's the point of microformats. Hence, it makes sense to track the pedigree of the citation as well as the art itself. <BR><BR>just a thought.<BR><BR>Greg Elin<BR><BR><DIV><SPAN class="gmail_quote">On 4/14/06, <B class="gmail_sendername">Timothy Gambell</B> <<A href="mailto:timothy.gambell@aya.yale.edu">timothy.gambell@aya.yale.edu</A> > wrote:</SPAN><BLOCKQUOTE class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">Thanks to everyone for their thoughts, input, and contributions to<BR>the <A href="http://microformats.org/wiki/work-of-art">http://microformats.org/wiki/work-of-art</A> project.<BR><BR>Given the recommendations on the wiki and this list, it seems to me<BR>that it would be best to design work of art as a distinct group of <BR>optional additions to use with the citation microformat. Does this<BR>seem like a good idea?<BR><BR>To address a few of the questions that have come up on the list:<BR><BR>Why not just add to or merge with citation? Though -- as Ryan Cannon <BR>and Bruce D'Arcus point out -- works of art on websites are<BR>conceptually similar to book citations on websites, the museum<BR>community and the library community have developed different<BR>conventions for presenting information about their holdings. Since <BR>there isn't a 1:1 mapping between these conventions, combining<BR>citation and work of art would probably result in more complexity<BR>(for citation) and less descriptive utility (for work of art).<BR>However, I'd be interested to hear if the folks involved with <BR>citation think it would be an acceptable trade-off.<BR><BR>Why not make work of art into a subsection of citation, as adr is to<BR>hCard? This might be a good idea, and it's one I'm open to, but it<BR>should be noted that while adr can express meaningful information on <BR>its own (that is, without the help of hCard), the proposed work of<BR>art extensions would rely on citation for core terms, and would not<BR>be able to express meaningful information without citation's help.<BR>Does that matter? <BR><BR>For the sake of discussion, I've compiled a comparison between the<BR>terms in the citation strawman on the wiki and some of the terms that<BR>have been proposed for work of art.<BR><BR>=== Rough list new of terms we'd propose for work of art (contributed <BR>by Samantha Orme, tweaked by Tim) ===<BR><BR>* creator (hCard)<BR>* creator-dates<BR>* creator-nationality<BR>* creator-role<BR>* creation-date (hCalendar)<BR> * earliest-date<BR> * latest-date<BR>* type (the style/period/genre of the work -- merged with "subject" <BR>into citation's "keywords" field?)<BR>* subject (the subject matter of the work -- merged with "type" into<BR>citation's "keywords" field?)<BR>* measurements ("format"? "dimensions"?) <BR> * width<BR> * height<BR> * depth<BR> * duration<BR>* medium<BR>* source ("Current Location"? "Repository"? "Owner"? "Collection"? --<BR>combined with location using hCard) <BR>* source-location (hCard or geo or adr)<BR>* provenance (perhaps a list of hCalendar events, could allow for<BR>"Gift Of" if that information isn't included in copyright or notes)<BR><BR>=== Rough list of terms we'd use from citation (compiled from the <BR>Mike Strawman) ===<BR><BR>* title<BR>* subtitle<BR>* authors (as a special case of "creator")<BR>* publication date (though we'd prefer "date", and even better<BR>"earliest-date" and "latest-date") <BR>* link<BR>* uid (though we'd prefer the term "identifier")<BR>* pages (though this is only useful when the work of art is a book)<BR>* series (CDWA's "Related Work")<BR>* venue ("source" information could go here, depending on what's <BR>meant by venue)<BR>* publisher (occasionally useful)<BR>* container (CDWA's "Related Work")<BR>* abstract<BR>* notes (CDWA's "Descriptive Note" field)<BR>* keywords (potentially a combination of "subject" and "type") <BR>* image<BR>* copyright<BR>* language<BR><BR>Again, thanks to everyone who has been involved with the work of art<BR>project.<BR><BR>All best,<BR>Tim.<BR>_______________________________________________<BR>microformats-discuss mailing list <BR><A href="mailto:microformats-discuss@microformats.org">microformats-discuss@microformats.org</A><BR><A href="http://microformats.org/mailman/listinfo/microformats-discuss">http://microformats.org/mailman/listinfo/microformats-discuss </A><BR></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV><BR><BR clear="all"><BR>-- <BR>Greg Elin<BR><A href="http://fotonotes.net">http://fotonotes.net</A> - Because photos have stories (TM)<BR><A href="http://duhblog.com">http://duhblog.com</A><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">_______________________________________________</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">microformats-discuss mailing list</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><A href="mailto:microformats-discuss@microformats.org">microformats-discuss@microformats.org</A></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><A href="http://microformats.org/mailman/listinfo/microformats-discuss">http://microformats.org/mailman/listinfo/microformats-discuss</A></DIV> </BLOCKQUOTE></DIV><BR></BODY></HTML>