<HTML><BODY style="word-wrap: break-word; -khtml-nbsp-mode: space; -khtml-line-break: after-white-space; "><DIV>I was told you needed to use fn, and n when you wanted to split the name up into its various parts. Here is the markup for my hCard, in which I wanted my middle initial. And the parsers handle it just fine.</DIV><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV><div class="vcard"></DIV><DIV><SPAN class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </SPAN><p><img class="photo" src="<A href="http://cdevroe.com/media/images/cdevroe.jpg">http://cdevroe.com/media/images/cdevroe.jpg</A>" alt="photo" /></p></DIV><DIV><SPAN class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </SPAN><div class="n fn"></DIV><DIV><a class="url" href="<A href="http://cdevroe.com">http://cdevroe.com</A>/"><span class="given-name">Colin</span> <span class="additional-name">D.</span> <span class="family-name">Devroe</span></a></DIV><DIV></div></DIV><DIV><SPAN class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </SPAN><p><a class="email pref" href="<A href="mailto:cdevroe@theubergeeks.net">mailto:cdevroe@theubergeeks.net</A>"><A href="mailto:cdevroe@theubergeeks.net">cdevroe@theubergeeks.net</A></a></p></DIV><DIV><SPAN class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </SPAN> <SPAN class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </SPAN><div class="adr"></DIV><DIV><SPAN class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </SPAN> <SPAN class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </SPAN><p><span class="street-address">P.O. 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As for not using N, the vcard spec requires it, but hcard implies it with the use of FN.<BR><BR><A href="http://microformats.org/wiki/hcard#Implied_.22n.22_Optimization"> http://microformats.org/wiki/hcard#Implied_.22n.22_Optimization</A><BR><BR>That's my read on it.<BR><BR>Pat<BR><BR><DIV><SPAN class="gmail_quote">On 4/20/06, <B class="gmail_sendername">Chris Messina</B> <<A href="mailto:chris.messina@gmail.com"> chris.messina@gmail.com</A>> wrote:</SPAN><BLOCKQUOTE class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">Well, actually, I probably am wrong -- could someone point me to the <BR>authoritative rules on whether your proposal is correct? I just always<BR>presumed that you needed FN... Didn't realize that you'd use N if you<BR>split up the name... seems counter-intuitive I guess even if it<BR>follows the standard. <BR><BR>Chris<BR><BR>On 4/20/06, Nick Swan <<A href="mailto:nick.swan@gmail.com">nick.swan@gmail.com</A>> wrote:<BR>><BR>> Hi all,<BR>> try to write a parser for hcards and came across Chris Messina's.<BR>> <BR>> <a class="url fn" rel="me"<BR>> href="<A href="http://factoryjoe.com/blog">http://factoryjoe.com/blog</A>"><span<BR>> class="given-name">Chris</span> <span <BR>> class="family-name">Messina</span></a><BR>><BR>><BR>> Now I'm sure he hasn't got his wrong, but I thought it would be:<BR>> <a class="url n" rel="me"<BR> > href="<A href="http://factoryjoe.com/blog">http://factoryjoe.com/blog</A>"><span<BR>> class="given-name">Chris</span> <span<BR>> class="family-name">Messina</span></a> <BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>> or<BR>><BR>><BR>> <a class="url fn" rel="me"<BR>> href="<A href="http://factoryjoe.com/blog">http://factoryjoe.com/blog</A>>ChrisMessina</a> <BR>><BR>> I thought you only split the name up if the class is given an attribute<BR>> value of n?<BR>><BR>><BR>> Cheers<BR>><BR>> Nick<BR>> _______________________________________________<BR>> microformats-discuss mailing list <BR>> <A href="mailto:microformats-discuss@microformats.org">microformats-discuss@microformats.org</A><BR>> <A href="http://microformats.org/mailman/listinfo/microformats-discuss">http://microformats.org/mailman/listinfo/microformats-discuss </A><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>_______________________________________________<BR>microformats-discuss mailing list<BR><A href="mailto:microformats-discuss@microformats.org">microformats-discuss@microformats.org</A><BR><A href="http://microformats.org/mailman/listinfo/microformats-discuss"> http://microformats.org/mailman/listinfo/microformats-discuss</A><BR></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV><BR><BR clear="all"><BR>-- <BR>Pat Ramsey<BR><A href="mailto:ramsey.pat@gmail.com">ramsey.pat@gmail.com</A><BR><A href="http://www.southwestern.edu/~ramseyp"> http://www.southwestern.edu/~ramseyp</A><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">_______________________________________________</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">microformats-discuss mailing list</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><A href="mailto:microformats-discuss@microformats.org">microformats-discuss@microformats.org</A></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><A href="http://microformats.org/mailman/listinfo/microformats-discuss">http://microformats.org/mailman/listinfo/microformats-discuss</A></DIV> </BLOCKQUOTE></DIV><BR></BODY></HTML>