From m at klml.de Sat Dec 1 18:01:40 2007 From: m at klml.de (Klaus Mueller) Date: Sat Dec 1 18:01:43 2007 Subject: [uf-new] Bank Account numbers In-Reply-To: <474F8D12.705@brixlogic.com> References: <474EF8F9.4000600@glow-internet.com> <474F038A.7000508@brixlogic.com> <474F5638.2070309@klml.de> <474F594C.5060200@glow-internet.com> <474F8D12.705@brixlogic.com> Message-ID: <47521204.2000304@klml.de> Hi Thom, Guillaume, > I created a page on the wiki to document the examples you mentioned: > > http://microformats.org/wiki/bankaccount-examples I started further with: http://microformats.org/wiki/bankaccount-brainstorming greetz klml From lucapost at gmail.com Tue Dec 4 07:42:59 2007 From: lucapost at gmail.com (LucaP) Date: Tue Dec 4 07:43:05 2007 Subject: [uf-new] Data Values & Measures Message-ID: Thanks Guillaume, I have searched in Portals and Scientific Journals (Geophysics and Medicine) sites; I could only find horribly un-POSH examples; 3 of those are in the wiki page now ( http://microformats.org/wiki/measure-examples ). One thing emerges, often data-values are displayed in HTML tables, the measure-microformat should support the include-pattern, this would allow to specify the unit-measure and the uncertainty only in the -s .... Ciao From gl at brixlogic.com Tue Dec 4 09:47:04 2007 From: gl at brixlogic.com (Guillaume Lebleu) Date: Tue Dec 4 09:47:10 2007 Subject: [uf-new] Data Values & Measures In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <47559298.7010606@brixlogic.com> LucaP wrote: > Thanks Guillaume, I have searched in Portals and Scientific Journals > (Geophysics and Medicine) sites; I could only find horribly un-POSH > examples; 3 of those are in the wiki page now ( > http://microformats.org/wiki/measure-examples ). > Thanks Luca, one minor issue: the URL you provided does not seem to point to the sample code you provided. Also, can you confirm that the point of your example is to document the issue of microformatting measures represented in tabular form? I thought, probably incorrectly, that you were particularly concerned about margins of error in measure. > One thing emerges, often data-values are displayed in HTML tables, the > measure-microformat should support the include-pattern, this would > allow to specify the unit-measure and the uncertainty only in the > -s .... > I think this is a generic problem that I have seen surfacing in the context of various microformats. I know there is a page dedicated to it: http://microformats.org/wiki/table-examples But I don't know if some best practices have emerged and have been documented. Any pointer from someone who would know would be helpful here. Guillaume From lucapost at gmail.com Wed Dec 5 09:43:02 2007 From: lucapost at gmail.com (LucaP) Date: Wed Dec 5 09:43:06 2007 Subject: [uf-new] Data Values & Measures Message-ID: I added a few pointers to XML projects for scientific-data exchanges in the wiki examples page, also updated the formats page with a POSH translation of the Standard Scientific Notation for data-values, check it out! From manas at tungare.name Thu Dec 13 14:28:08 2007 From: manas at tungare.name (Manas Tungare) Date: Thu Dec 13 14:27:44 2007 Subject: [uf-new] course syllabus markup or microformat? Message-ID: Hi Jeff and Jeremy, > Wondering if there is any work on microformat or markup of a course > syllabus? Any and all suggestions solicited. I'm a Ph.D. student at Virginia Tech interested in this effort. We have been working towards this for some time now (not specifically microformats, but standard representations for syllabi and courses.) Our project web site is at http://syllabus.cs.vt.edu/ -- you're welcome to check it out. Right now we're at a phase where we have an extensive collection of syllabi along with a syllabus editor in development. We hope to be able to share the fruits of our labor with others by making available our collection in ways that others can use meaningfully. Microformats are one of the obvious choices. Here's a little bit of background about our work: we have crawled and analyzed close to 8000 syllabi from the Web, and played with the collection in many ways: we classified them based on the ACM Computing Curricula 2001 classification system; we tagged the information from a few syllabi manually to create a training set for an automatic extractor, and later put the extractor to use. Some of this work has been published at SIGCSE 2007, JCDL 2007, ECDL 2007 and AH 2006. From our experience with these syllabi, we recently settled on an ontology that heavily reuses existing standards to represent a composite syllabus. It includes the most common attributes of syllabi (but not necessarily all). We're aiming for the concept of a course, which would be a superset of a syllabus. We believe that syllabi can be represented with three simple standard entities and relationships between them: people, resources and activities. Teachers, students, teaching assistants, textbook authors, etc. are the people involved and can be marked up as vCard/hCards. Textbooks, assignments, lecture slides, etc. are resources that can be marked up as Dublin Core. Lectures, tests, deadlines etc. are obviously events that have an associated time, and thus represented via hCalendar. (Actually, an activity = event + resources + people.) You can find a lot of examples of syllabi at our site, and I would gladly add the original URLs to a wiki page if this proposal goes forward. I would love to hear what this list feels about syllabi: are they general enough to warrant a microformat of their own? Can they be represented in another, more general microformat? Our team agrees with Jeff and Jeremy that the number of unstructured syllabi online, coupled with the potential for rich applications to be built if a standard existed, are both strong motivators to move this proposal forward. I have been following the public development of microformats for some time now, and have marked up my web site with hCard, hCalendar and hResume wherever appropriate. (http://manas.tungare.name/) I wish we are soon able to do the same for syllabi. -- Regards, Manas. _____________________________________________________ Manas Tungare, http://manas.tungare.name/ From paul.downey at whatfettle.com Fri Dec 14 10:15:39 2007 From: paul.downey at whatfettle.com (Paul Downey) Date: Fri Dec 14 10:15:49 2007 Subject: [uf-new] nanoformats for airports and flights Message-ID: Hey up, I'm a big fan of nanoformats*, in particular for Twitter and have been experimenting with presenting tweets as HTML marked up with microformats and links at the top of my blog page using a simple Javascript plugin: http://blog.whatfettle.com/twitter.js The plan is to turn this into a stable archived page using a Wordpress plugin, but really it's the regex'es I'm experimenting with and intend to document. I'd like to extend this to support other formats, so was interested in James Govener's suggestion for a nanoformat to tweet about a flights: http://twitter.com/monkchips/statuses/500282082 I wondered if people were using such a thing already? My preference is for something like: F:LHR-BOS F:LHR-BOS-SFO F:LHR-BOS-SFO-SYD F:LHR-BOS-SFO-SYD-LTN which could be easily turned into into a link such as: http://gc.kls2.com/cgi-bin/gc?PATH=LHR-BOS%2C+BOS-SFO%2C+SFO-SYD using a regex such as: s/-(?=\w{3,4}-)(\w{3,4})/-$1&$1/g; Guess I should just start using it and see if I can get it to, ahem, take off. For the generated HTML I wondered if there's a class="iata", class="icao", class="airport" or even class="flight" microformat already? I can't believe I'm the first person to suggest this given there are lots of examples in the wild, such as "nearest airport" in an address, and the names have been standardised: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Airport_codes Paul (psd) -- http://blog.whatfettle.com * nanoformats: http://microformats.org/wiki/twitter-nanoformats http://twitternanoformats.wikispaces.com/ From jeff at jeffmcneill.com Fri Dec 14 15:11:32 2007 From: jeff at jeffmcneill.com (Jeff McNeill) Date: Fri Dec 14 15:11:37 2007 Subject: [uf-new] course syllabus markup or microformat? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <519fa62f0712141511p3cd5fe9em3bc01b1cb566e578@mail.gmail.com> Hello Manas, Great work you have done. I want to respond to the part about the minimum components of a syllabus. First, I agree on the need for users, activities and resources. I think those are the right terms. However, I don't think they are enough. Taking a paving-the-cowpaths and after analyzing 15 organizational communication syllabi each taken from a different universities, it seems that there are evaluation rubrics which are strongly represented. By evaluation rubrics, the vast majority have a grading scale (x = A, y = B), and have what I term grade partitioning (attend = 20%, final = 40%, etc.). Many have activity evaluations embedded in the syllabus (expectations for given activity types), and some have a scoring guide for particular assignments. In addition, if we take an institutional view, syllabi are embedded within a larger context, namely professional communities of practice and their bodies of knowledge. Your work connecting the syllabi to the body of knowledge for computer science provides just such linkage. I suggest the following nested assessment model from the larger point of view. Bodies of knowledge | Programs | | Courses | | | Syllabi | | | | Activities | | | | | Resources | | | | Assessment | | | Assessment | | Assessment | Assessment Assessment Please see some initial markup of assessment rubrics using definition lists and gaining insight from the hReview microformat (which I believe can be usefully deployed to a large degree). http://jeffmcneill.com/microformats/general-writing-assessment-rubric.html http://jeffmcneill.com/microformats/grading-apportionment-rubric.html http://jeffmcneill.com/microformats/grading-scale-rubric.html There are a few different ways that rubrics are represented. The writing assessment rubric (above) is a single measure that we have used at the University of Hawaii for freshmen composition placement. However, there are rubrics which could be multi-criteria-scoring, e.g. that would have each category be a definition term with a definition list of scores and their descriptions. -- Sincerely, Jeff McNeill http://jeffmcneill.com/ On 12/13/07, Manas Tungare wrote: > Hi Jeff and Jeremy, > > > Wondering if there is any work on microformat or markup of a course > > syllabus? Any and all suggestions solicited. > > I'm a Ph.D. student at Virginia Tech interested in this effort. We > have been working towards this for some time now (not specifically > microformats, but standard representations for syllabi and courses.) > Our project web site is at http://syllabus.cs.vt.edu/ -- you're > welcome to check it out. > > Right now we're at a phase where we have an extensive collection of > syllabi along with a syllabus editor in development. We hope to be > able to share the fruits of our labor with others by making available > our collection in ways that others can use meaningfully. Microformats > are one of the obvious choices. > > Here's a little bit of background about our work: we have crawled and > analyzed close to 8000 syllabi from the Web, and played with the > collection in many ways: we classified them based on the ACM Computing > Curricula 2001 classification system; we tagged the information from a > few syllabi manually to create a training set for an automatic > extractor, and later put the extractor to use. Some of this work has > been published at SIGCSE 2007, JCDL 2007, ECDL 2007 and AH 2006. > > From our experience with these syllabi, we recently settled on an > ontology that heavily reuses existing standards to represent a > composite syllabus. It includes the most common attributes of syllabi > (but not necessarily all). We're aiming for the concept of a course, > which would be a superset of a syllabus. We believe that syllabi can > be represented with three simple standard entities and relationships > between them: people, resources and activities. Teachers, students, > teaching assistants, textbook authors, etc. are the people involved > and can be marked up as vCard/hCards. Textbooks, assignments, lecture > slides, etc. are resources that can be marked up as Dublin Core. > Lectures, tests, deadlines etc. are obviously events that have an > associated time, and thus represented via hCalendar. (Actually, an > activity = event + resources + people.) > > You can find a lot of examples of syllabi at our site, and I would > gladly add the original URLs to a wiki page if this proposal goes > forward. I would love to hear what this list feels about syllabi: are > they general enough to warrant a microformat of their own? Can they be > represented in another, more general microformat? Our team agrees with > Jeff and Jeremy that the number of unstructured syllabi online, > coupled with the potential for rich applications to be built if a > standard existed, are both strong motivators to move this proposal > forward. > > I have been following the public development of microformats for some > time now, and have marked up my web site with hCard, hCalendar and > hResume wherever appropriate. (http://manas.tungare.name/) I wish we > are soon able to do the same for syllabi. > > -- > Regards, Manas. > _____________________________________________________ > Manas Tungare, http://manas.tungare.name/ > _______________________________________________ > microformats-new mailing list > microformats-new@microformats.org > http://microformats.org/mailman/listinfo/microformats-new > From scott at makedatamakesense.com Fri Dec 14 15:21:38 2007 From: scott at makedatamakesense.com (Scott Reynen) Date: Fri Dec 14 15:21:41 2007 Subject: [uf-new] course syllabus markup or microformat? In-Reply-To: <519fa62f0712141511p3cd5fe9em3bc01b1cb566e578@mail.gmail.com> References: <519fa62f0712141511p3cd5fe9em3bc01b1cb566e578@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Dec 14, 2007, at 4:11 PM, Jeff McNeill wrote: > Taking a paving-the-cowpaths and after analyzing 15 organizational > communication syllabi each taken from a different universities... Is this documented in the microformats wiki somewhere? If not, it should be, both to keep everyone on the same page in early discussions and to have a reference when someone later asks why something ended up the way it did. -- Scott Reynen MakeDataMakeSense.com From jeff at jeffmcneill.com Fri Dec 14 16:59:46 2007 From: jeff at jeffmcneill.com (Jeff McNeill) Date: Fri Dec 14 16:59:49 2007 Subject: [uf-new] course syllabus markup or microformat? In-Reply-To: References: <519fa62f0712141511p3cd5fe9em3bc01b1cb566e578@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <519fa62f0712141659g17aee231q2ade1507e9381ae6@mail.gmail.com> Aloha folks, Is it time for wiki pages to be created on this topic, or is more discussion needed? -- Happy Holidays, Jeff McNeill http://jeffmcneill.com/ On 12/14/07, Scott Reynen wrote: > On Dec 14, 2007, at 4:11 PM, Jeff McNeill wrote: > > > Taking a paving-the-cowpaths and after analyzing 15 organizational > > communication syllabi each taken from a different universities... > > > Is this documented in the microformats wiki somewhere? If not, it > should be, both to keep everyone on the same page in early discussions > and to have a reference when someone later asks why something ended up > the way it did. > > -- > Scott Reynen > MakeDataMakeSense.com > > > _______________________________________________ > microformats-new mailing list > microformats-new@microformats.org > http://microformats.org/mailman/listinfo/microformats-new > From andy at pigsonthewing.org.uk Sat Dec 15 05:55:55 2007 From: andy at pigsonthewing.org.uk (Andy Mabbett) Date: Sat Dec 15 05:57:17 2007 Subject: [uf-new] Measurement brainstorming In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: In message , LucaP writes >in many contexts (scientific/technical) a measurement has no meaning >without a corresponding error/confidence! In scientific and technical contexts, perhaps, but not the commonly-published mresurements used on commerce, cookery, gardening, DIY or similar sites, for example. Its probably outside the "80/20" divide, and we may need to walk before we run. -- Andy Mabbett From andy at pigsonthewing.org.uk Sat Dec 15 06:14:54 2007 From: andy at pigsonthewing.org.uk (Andy Mabbett) Date: Sat Dec 15 06:26:09 2007 Subject: [uf-new] Bank Account numbers In-Reply-To: <474EF8F9.4000600@glow-internet.com> References: <474EF8F9.4000600@glow-internet.com> Message-ID: In message <474EF8F9.4000600@glow-internet.com>, Thom Shannon writes >I think it would be useful to have a way to markup bank account >numbers, they're usually made up of a couple of constituent parts like >sort code and account number (vary between countries). I concur, and would be willing to help collect examples; though there are many via: -- Andy Mabbett From jeff at jeffmcneill.com Sat Dec 15 10:53:50 2007 From: jeff at jeffmcneill.com (Jeff McNeill) Date: Sat Dec 15 10:53:52 2007 Subject: [uf-new] course syllabus markup or microformat? In-Reply-To: <519fa62f0712141659g17aee231q2ade1507e9381ae6@mail.gmail.com> References: <519fa62f0712141511p3cd5fe9em3bc01b1cb566e578@mail.gmail.com> <519fa62f0712141659g17aee231q2ade1507e9381ae6@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <519fa62f0712151053k52d44eau8eb359c36101800f@mail.gmail.com> Hello folks, Initial wiki page created http://microformats.org/wiki/syllabus-brainstorming I get the examples and markup into an examples page soon. -- Sincerely, Jeff McNeill http://jeffmcneill.com/ On 12/14/07, Jeff McNeill wrote: > Aloha folks, > > Is it time for wiki pages to be created on this topic, or is more > discussion needed? > > -- > Happy Holidays, > Jeff McNeill > http://jeffmcneill.com/ > > > On 12/14/07, Scott Reynen wrote: > > On Dec 14, 2007, at 4:11 PM, Jeff McNeill wrote: > > > > > Taking a paving-the-cowpaths and after analyzing 15 organizational > > > communication syllabi each taken from a different universities... > > > > > > Is this documented in the microformats wiki somewhere? If not, it > > should be, both to keep everyone on the same page in early discussions > > and to have a reference when someone later asks why something ended up > > the way it did. > > > > -- > > Scott Reynen > > MakeDataMakeSense.com > > From martin at weborganics.co.uk Sun Dec 16 13:23:04 2007 From: martin at weborganics.co.uk (Martin McEvoy) Date: Sun Dec 16 13:21:18 2007 Subject: [uf-new] [Fwd: Re: [uf-discuss] Re: Precise Expansion Patterns] Message-ID: <1197840184.13738.26.camel@localhost.localdomain> forwarded from uf-discuss On Sun, 2007-12-16 at 15:09 -0500, Manu Sporny wrote: > I'll volunteer to check out Orca and JAWS and report the findings to > the > list, and document them in the wiki. Thank you manu :) can you please test: 2:23 I think it would be valuable to know if the @title is read out loud on uncommon tags like and or if all @titles are read out loud. My thought is (after many months of wrestling with this beast) that instead of trying to hide and change what we are doing (after all its necessary) it may be worthwhile trying to find a more semantic equivalent of how we use the tag. http://www.w3.org/TR/html401/struct/text.html#h-9.2.1 VAR: Indicates an instance of a variable or program argument. We are presented with an instance of a variable, when we do this: 2:23 duration is described in two ways machine data, and human data, this presents the instance and an argument with two different outcomes, if you are a machine do this PT2M23S, if you are a person do this 2:23. *Var* seems wholly suited to what we are trying to achieve. ? Thanks. Martin From pmw57 at xtra.co.nz Sun Dec 16 13:56:42 2007 From: pmw57 at xtra.co.nz (Paul Wilkins) Date: Sun Dec 16 13:56:45 2007 Subject: [uf-new] [Fwd: Re: [uf-discuss] Re: Precise Expansion Patterns] In-Reply-To: <1197840184.13738.26.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1197840184.13738.26.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <18050cf90712161356y10f95ee3qfef0da0aea4c0383@mail.gmail.com> On Dec 17, 2007 10:23 AM, Martin McEvoy wrote: > My thought is (after many months of wrestling with this beast) that > instead of trying to hide and change what we are doing (after all its > necessary) it may be worthwhile trying to find a more semantic > equivalent of how we use the tag. > > http://www.w3.org/TR/html401/struct/text.html#h-9.2.1 > > VAR: > Indicates an instance of a variable or program argument. > > We are presented with an instance of a variable, when we do this: > > 2:23 No we are not. There is nothing variable about 2:23. It's an absolute value of duration. A variable is a programming term. Here's a sample of how it SHOULD be used. 

function hide(id) {
    forEach(id, function(id) {
        var el = document.getElementById(id);
        setStyle(el, 'display', '');
    }
}

I don't want to create el each time this is run. You can easily resolve this by passing the document.getElementById() directly to the function.

When I also list my favourite song of the day, it would be a very bad thing for the time to be displayed in virulent green along with the actual real var elements in the code. There is nothing about the time 2:23 that is relevant to the VAR element. What is really happening is you are taking a little-used element and shoe-horning a false understanding around it to try and make it fit. That is not acceptable. -- Paul Wilkins -- Paul Wilkins From martin at weborganics.co.uk Sun Dec 16 15:25:11 2007 From: martin at weborganics.co.uk (Martin McEvoy) Date: Sun Dec 16 15:23:27 2007 Subject: [uf-new] [Fwd: Re: [uf-discuss] Re: Precise Expansion Patterns] In-Reply-To: <1197846581.15294.39.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1197840184.13738.26.camel@localhost.localdomain> <18050cf90712161356y10f95ee3qfef0da0aea4c0383@mail.gmail.com> <1197846581.15294.39.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1197847511.15294.42.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Sun, 2007-12-16 at 23:09 +0000, Martin McEvoy wrote: > this is our variable the thing we want to do something with, in your > example you insert el where the is, we want the same, an > insert function to work not a page load action but on a people or > machine action sorry its a hide/show function.. im tired ok ;) Thanks Martin From martin at weborganics.co.uk Sun Dec 16 15:09:41 2007 From: martin at weborganics.co.uk (Martin McEvoy) Date: Sun Dec 16 15:36:55 2007 Subject: [uf-new] [Fwd: Re: [uf-discuss] Re: Precise Expansion Patterns] In-Reply-To: <18050cf90712161356y10f95ee3qfef0da0aea4c0383@mail.gmail.com> References: <1197840184.13738.26.camel@localhost.localdomain> <18050cf90712161356y10f95ee3qfef0da0aea4c0383@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1197846581.15294.39.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Mon, 2007-12-17 at 10:56 +1300, Paul Wilkins wrote: > On Dec 17, 2007 10:23 AM, Martin McEvoy wrote: > > My thought is (after many months of wrestling with this beast) that > > instead of trying to hide and change what we are doing (after all its > > necessary) it may be worthwhile trying to find a more semantic > > equivalent of how we use the tag. > > > > http://www.w3.org/TR/html401/struct/text.html#h-9.2.1 > > > > VAR: > > Indicates an instance of a variable or program argument. > > > > We are presented with an instance of a variable, when we do this: > > > > 2:23 > > No we are not. There is nothing variable about 2:23. It's an absolute > value of duration. > > A variable is a programming term. Here's a sample of how it SHOULD be used. > > 

> function hide(id) {
>     forEach(id, function(id) {
>         var el = document.getElementById(id);
>         setStyle(el, 'display', '');
>     }
> }
>
>

I don't want to create el each time this is run. You can > easily resolve this by passing the > document.getElementById() directly to the function.

Correct this is exactly what I mean thank you Paul but not quite so complex. (bet you didn't expect that!) I am not very good at explaining things but stick with me.. imagine we did just this 2:23 this is our variable the thing we want to do something with, in your example you insert el where the is, we want the same, an insert function to work not a page load action but on a people or machine action If it were a machine that passed by our var duration it would be hoped that the function would be to do a string replace and re-present the data as PT2M23S but truthfully this is too much for us to expect from our humble parser. so how do we pass the information to a machine.... 2:23 ... the Microformats community are used to passing data to a machine via the @title its a lot more simple than doing a string replace on the contents of our var. in xsl I can now do something like this which is my simple function. This is what I mean by using a Semantic Equivalent. Thanks Martin > > > When I also list my favourite song of the day, it would be a very bad > thing for the time to be displayed in virulent green along with the > actual real var elements in the code. > > There is nothing about the time 2:23 that is relevant to the VAR element. > What is really happening is you are taking a little-used element and > shoe-horning a false understanding around it to try and make it fit. > > That is not acceptable. > > -- > Paul Wilkins From msporny at digitalbazaar.com Sun Dec 16 18:30:14 2007 From: msporny at digitalbazaar.com (Manu Sporny) Date: Sun Dec 16 18:57:41 2007 Subject: [uf-new] [Fwd: Re: [uf-discuss] Re: Precise Expansion Patterns] In-Reply-To: <1197840184.13738.26.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1197840184.13738.26.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <4765DF36.9080807@digitalbazaar.com> Martin McEvoy wrote: > forwarded from uf-discuss > > On Sun, 2007-12-16 at 15:09 -0500, Manu Sporny wrote: >> I'll volunteer to check out Orca and JAWS and report the findings to >> the >> list, and document them in the wiki. > > Thank you manu :) > > can you please test: > > 2:23 I've added it to the test-suite: http://uf.digitalbazaar.com/unit-tests/sandbox/isodata.html Although, I agree with Paul... we shouldn't use it. -- manu From m at klml.de Mon Dec 17 15:20:08 2007 From: m at klml.de (Klaus Mueller) Date: Mon Dec 17 15:22:04 2007 Subject: [uf-new] hCalendar: opening hours Message-ID: <47670428.9000809@klml.de> Hi all , I want to describe opening hours of business, bars, doctores etc. I think I should solve this problem with hCalendar. But I think "summary" and "description" should be defined. And I got no really good idea how to describe repeating dates? greetz klml From scott at makedatamakesense.com Mon Dec 17 15:49:32 2007 From: scott at makedatamakesense.com (Scott Reynen) Date: Mon Dec 17 15:49:34 2007 Subject: [uf-new] hCalendar: opening hours In-Reply-To: <47670428.9000809@klml.de> References: <47670428.9000809@klml.de> Message-ID: On Dec 17, 2007, at 4:20 PM, Klaus Mueller wrote: > I want to describe opening hours of business, bars, doctores etc. I > think I should solve this problem with hCalendar. But I think > "summary" > and "description" should be defined. And I got no really good idea > how > to describe repeating dates? Recurring events are largely uncharted territory in hCalendar, but it has been discussed. See, for example: http://microformats.org/wiki/hcalendar-brainstorming#Recurring_Events http://www.xfront.com/microformats/hCalendar_part2.html Summary is required, but could be as simple as "open." Description is not required. I'd encourage you to post the actual HTML you're working with to the -discuss list and see what everyone thinks would be the best way to do it in hCalendar. This list, and starting a new microformat, should only be a last resort if hCalendar doesn't work. -- Scott Reynen MakeDataMakeSense.com