[uf-new] Revisiting grouping problem solution proposal: hset
msporny at digitalbazaar.com
Tue May 22 13:35:44 PDT 2007
Tantek Çelik wrote:
> Use of "." or any other sort of semantic separator in class names is a bad
> idea for *numerous* reasons (introducing hierarchy where we there isn't any
We are introducing hierarchy ONLY in the case of hset. We are only
talking about grouping - we are not talking about any other Microformat.
We are not talking about boiling the oceans - we are talking about a
tiny Microformat called hset that uses '.' as a separator for identifiers.
> using a character that is requires escaping when writing CSS
> rules etc.)
Why would we write CSS rules for hset?
> I too am convinced that we can do simple sets through aggregation.
Please explain as I don't think I've heard this problem solution yet...
> Let's start with that and iterate.
We need something more than simple sets to support the problem stated in
> You don't need the all-inclusive format in the first version.
We don't need to half-bake anything that isn't going to solve the real
problem, either. We've demonstrated that we have a sparse grouping problem:
> Classes with hierarchy and special
> characters (not to mention hiding data in the class attribute) are so far
> beyond simple it is ridiculous.
I'm having a hard time understanding what is so complex about:
It seems like a very simple solution - Brian, Tantek, please take some
time to explain your position. Or in the very least, include a link to
where your arguments and position have been explained before.
By saying something is a "bad idea for *numerous* reasons" without
defining all of those reasons doesn't help the discussion. I understand
that you are opposed to the idea, but I don't understand *why*. Clearly,
if this has been discussed to death before - we should be able to look
at a page that summarizes the arguments against "using a class name and
a separated list to denote object identifiers and grouping".
Here are all the grouping discussions to date:
We also have a set of grouping problem solutions with pros/cons listed:
If you have an idea of what we should be doing instead, please give a
couple of examples so that there is some movement forward.
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