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Today's Topics:

   1. Money (aka Currency) and Measure test cases (Andy Mabbett)
   2. Re: Internet radio and TV (Frances Berriman)
   3. Re: Currency brainstorming (Guillaume Lebleu)
   4. Internet radio and TV examples (Chris Newell)
   5. Re: Internet radio and TV (Chris Newell)
   6. Internet radio and TV brainstorming (Chris Newell)
   7. Recipe Examples- Any more? (Frances Berriman)
   8. I propose a new microformat for poems. (Michael Walker)
   9. Re: I propose a new microformat for poems.
      (Charles Iliya Krempeaux)
  10. Re: I propose a new microformat for poems. (Scott Reynen)
  11. Re: I propose a new microformat for poems.
      (Alexandre Van de Sande)


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Message: 1
Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2007 20:20:18 +0100
From: Andy Mabbett <andy at pigsonthewing.org.uk>
Subject: [uf-new] Money (aka Currency) and Measure test cases
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I have put up some simple test cases for Money and Currency microformats
(using arbitrary class names), based on Taylor Cowan's model or working.

Should anyone like to try a testing them with a parser, please feel free
and comment on the results here. or on the wiki.

I have added some variations of spacing, ordering and capitalisation, so
we can decide whether we need to be strict or generous in what we allow.

        <http://www.westmidlandbirdclub.com/test/money.htm>

        <http://www.westmidlandbirdclub.com/test/measure.htm>

I'll be happy to add alternative examples, if anyone has any.

Enjoy!

-- 
Andy Mabbett


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Message: 2
Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2007 16:53:32 +0100
From: "Frances Berriman" <fberriman at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [uf-new] Internet radio and TV
To: "For discussion of new microformats."
	<microformats-new at microformats.org>
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On 25/09/2007, Chris Newell <chris.newell at rd.bbc.co.uk> wrote:
> I'm interested in exploring how Internet radio and TV stations could be
defined semantically.
>
> As hAudio appears targeted at individual recordings and collections of
content I'm not sure it would be beneficial to the development process, or
to the end-users, to add additional complexity in order to support Internet
radio.
>
> Looking at the station listings out there on the web, there doesn't appear
to be much difference between the metadata provided for radio and TV
stations but there is a lot in common e.g. streams are often available at
different bitrates or using different codecs.
>
> Does anyone else have an interest or thoughts in this area?
>
> Chris

It's an interesting concept and worth exploring and I see there's some
stuff up on the wiki about it that you've started.  Might be
worthwhile to see how much can be done with a mixture of the audio
work, hAtom (for syndication) and hCalendar (for scheduling - time of
air if it is time sensitive/limited broadcast)?


-- 
Frances Berriman
http://fberriman.com


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Message: 3
Date: Mon, 01 Oct 2007 09:57:01 -0700
From: Guillaume Lebleu <gl at brixlogic.com>
Subject: Re: [uf-new] Currency brainstorming
To: "For discussion of new microformats."
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Andy Mabbett wrote:
> To apply a date, we could simply use hCalendar:
>
>     <div class="vevent">
>       <span class="description">
>         <span class="summary">
>           The last Monet painting to be auctioned
>         </span>
>         fetched
>         <abbr class="currency" title="USD95M">$95 million</abbr>
>         in
>         <span class="dtstart>2005</span>
>       </span>
>     </div>
>   
+1

Addresses the problem of historical money amounts without making the 
date a property/subclass of currency/hmoney class.

Guillaume



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Message: 4
Date: Tue, 02 Oct 2007 09:18:45 +0100
From: Chris Newell <chris.newell at rd.bbc.co.uk>
Subject: [uf-new] Internet radio and TV examples
To: <microformats-new at microformats.org>
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I've started a wiki page to collect Internet radio and TV examples:
http://microformats.org/wiki/broadcast-examples

Please feel free to contribute more examples if you have them. I will try to
raise awareness within the broadcasting industry.

Chris
_______________________ 
Chris Newell
Lead Technologist 
BBC Research



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Message: 5
Date: Tue, 02 Oct 2007 09:26:54 +0100
From: Chris Newell <chris.newell at rd.bbc.co.uk>
Subject: Re: [uf-new] Internet radio and TV
To: "For discussion of new microformats."
	<microformats-new at microformats.org>
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Frances Berriman wrote:
At 16:53 01/10/2007, you wrote:
>On 25/09/2007, Chris Newell <chris.newell at rd.bbc.co.uk> wrote:
>> I'm interested in exploring how Internet radio and TV stations could be
defined semantically.
>>
>> As hAudio appears targeted at individual recordings and collections of
content I'm not sure it would be beneficial to the development process, or
to the end-users, to add additional complexity in order to support Internet
radio.
>>
>> Looking at the station listings out there on the web, there doesn't
appear to be much difference between the metadata provided for radio and TV
stations but there is a lot in common e.g. streams are often available at
different bitrates or using different codecs.
>>
>> Does anyone else have an interest or thoughts in this area?
>>
>> Chris
>
>It's an interesting concept and worth exploring and I see there's some
>stuff up on the wiki about it that you've started.  Might be
>worthwhile to see how much can be done with a mixture of the audio
>work, hAtom (for syndication) and hCalendar (for scheduling - time of
>air if it is time sensitive/limited broadcast)?

Syndication may be more appropriate to hAudio / hVideo as currently proposed
but I agree entirely with the latter idea for real-time streams - something
similar was proposed during the media-info discussion before it got bogged
down due to the broadness of the overall scope.

Chris

_______________________ 
Chris Newell
Lead Technologist 
BBC Research



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Message: 6
Date: Wed, 03 Oct 2007 09:39:21 +0100
From: Chris Newell <chris.newell at rd.bbc.co.uk>
Subject: [uf-new] Internet radio and TV brainstorming
To: <microformats-new at microformats.org>
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I've started a brainstorming page for Internet radio and TV:
http://microformats.org/wiki/broadcast-brainstorming

Please contribute any ideas you have in this area.

Chris
_______________________ 
Chris Newell
Lead Technologist 
BBC Research



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Message: 7
Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2007 16:28:28 +0100
From: "Frances Berriman" <fberriman at gmail.com>
Subject: [uf-new] Recipe Examples- Any more?
To: "For discussion of new microformats."
	<microformats-new at microformats.org>
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	<e86992a40710030828k17fe1cd1t6cb0083159f459d4 at mail.gmail.com>
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Ben Ward has kindly tidied the recipe-brainstorm[1] page to reflect
recent discussions we've had here.

Would any other interested parties take a look please and give us any
feedback.

I think the first thing I'd like to do is query whether we feel the
examples[2] section of the work is complete enough to next discuss
commonalities and some of the proposed properties.

It does look to me like not that many, but I am feeling quite
confident that we're not going to find much more varied examples from
what's there given that our scope is to stick within food recipes
only.

Since I didn't conduct this research though, I'm keen to know other
people's feelings on it.

[1] http://microformats.org/wiki/recipe-brainstorming
[2]http://microformats.org/wiki/recipe-examples
-- 
Frances Berriman
http://fberriman.com


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Message: 8
Date: Wed, 03 Oct 2007 19:37:51 +0100
From: "Michael Walker" <mike at yarrt.com>
Subject: [uf-new] I propose a new microformat for poems.
To: "Microformats Mailing List" <microformats-new at microformats.org>
Message-ID: <op.tzmwpdytjyd8jy at mikeslaptop>
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	charset=iso-8859-15

Well, this is my first post to this mailing list and I thought i'd start  
by addressing a problem thats been annoying me for a while.

I can't seem to find a microformat for poetry. I often write poems and  
post them to my blog (http://blog.yarrt.com), and I sometimes wonder about  
the best way to code them. Below is the method I have thought of (with one  
of my poems as an example):

[Heading Text Here, possibly a <h1>, <h2>, etc, depending on the context]
<div class="poem">
   <p class="verse">
     Standing by the roadside,<br />
     A tall dark man,<br />
     Wore a long brown coat,<br />
     Stood in the rain.
   </p>
   <p class="verse">
     Explained he had no home,<br />
     Just travelled the country,<br />
     Sleeping on the streets,<br />
     Begging for his food.
   </p>
   <p class="verse">
     "Why is he helping me?",<br />
     "Where am I going?",<br />
     He must have wondered,<br />
     While stepping into the car.
   </p>
   <p class="verse">
     He seemed uneasy,<br />
     Not sure to trust me,<br />
     He had seem too much,<br />
     To trust people blindly.
   </p>
</div>

I would suggest marking it up with the following CSS rule:
div.poem p.verse{
   margin:10px;
}

Possibly with a border around the whole poem, but that is, of course,  
completely up to you.

What do you all think?
-- 
Michael Walker, Webmaster



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Message: 9
Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2007 11:58:11 -0700
From: "Charles Iliya Krempeaux" <supercanadian at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [uf-new] I propose a new microformat for poems.
To: "For discussion of new microformats."
	<microformats-new at microformats.org>
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Hello Michael,

On 10/3/07, Michael Walker <mike at yarrt.com> wrote:
> Well, this is my first post to this mailing list and I thought i'd start
> by addressing a problem thats been annoying me for a while.
>
> I can't seem to find a microformat for poetry. I often write poems and
> post them to my blog (http://blog.yarrt.com), and I sometimes wonder about
> the best way to code them. Below is the method I have thought of (with one
> of my poems as an example):
>

[...]

> What do you all think?

This is an excellent example of POSH.

So... you this may be a case for POSH (Plain Old Semantic HTML),
instead of a Microformat.  Here's more info on POSH...

http://microformats.org/wiki/posh


Having said that... if there are others putting poems on the web
too... then there may be a case to come up with a common POSH format
-- a Microformat.  If that's the case then you may want to look at the
Microformat process...

http://microformats.org/wiki/process


See ya




-- 
    Charles Iliya Krempeaux, B.Sc. <http://ChangeLog.ca/>


                 Vlog Razor... Vlogging News
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Message: 10
Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2007 13:04:34 -0600
From: Scott Reynen <scott at makedatamakesense.com>
Subject: Re: [uf-new] I propose a new microformat for poems.
To: "For discussion of new microformats."
	<microformats-new at microformats.org>
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	<579F2201-E9BC-4904-8B42-301DD899F5F7 at makedatamakesense.com>
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On Oct 3, 2007, at 12:37 PM, Michael Walker wrote:

> I can't seem to find a microformat for poetry. I often write poems  
> and post them to my blog (http://blog.yarrt.com), and I sometimes  
> wonder about the best way to code them. Below is the method I have  
> thought of (with one of my poems as an example):

Before we get into brainstorming, do you have some specific use cases  
in mind for such a microformat?  What problem are we tying to solve  
here?  If you haven't already, please read about the microformats  
process:

http://microformats.org/wiki/process

--
Scott Reynen
MakeDataMakeSense.com




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Message: 11
Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2007 18:59:46 -0300
From: "Alexandre Van de Sande" <alexandrevandesande at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [uf-new] I propose a new microformat for poems.
To: "For discussion of new microformats."
	<microformats-new at microformats.org>
Message-ID:
	<8608a69a0710031459o271f4624lb4d75f81e25748b1 at mail.gmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8

you mean a microformat for sonnets, or for haikus or Odes or Sestinas,
because Poetry is a broad term that defies an objective structure
needed by microformatting. And I agree with previous commenters that
this requires a problem.

On 10/3/07, Scott Reynen <scott at makedatamakesense.com> wrote:
> On Oct 3, 2007, at 12:37 PM, Michael Walker wrote:
>
> > I can't seem to find a microformat for poetry. I often write poems
> > and post them to my blog (http://blog.yarrt.com), and I sometimes
> > wonder about the best way to code them. Below is the method I have
> > thought of (with one of my poems as an example):
>
> Before we get into brainstorming, do you have some specific use cases
> in mind for such a microformat?  What problem are we tying to solve
> here?  If you haven't already, please read about the microformats
> process:
>
> http://microformats.org/wiki/process
>
> --
> Scott Reynen
> MakeDataMakeSense.com
>
>
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-- 
Alexandre Van de Sande
www.wanderingabout.com
rio de janeiro

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