[uf-new] Proposal: change haudio title to htitle.

Martin McEvoy martin at weborganics.co.uk
Thu Aug 14 04:22:07 PDT 2008

Hello Scott, Toby...

Scott Reynen wrote:
> On [Aug 13], at [ Aug 13] 2:19 , Toby A Inkster wrote:
>> In my experience, from a practical point of view, it's not really 
>> needed - even if no microformats had any property names in common, 
>> parsers still need to take care over microformat opacity due to 
>> situations like:
>>    <div class="vcard">
>>      <div class="agent vcard">
> I don't think that's a similar situation at all.  hCard parsers must 
> know how to handle embedded agent hCards, because it's part of the 
> hCard spec.  On the other hand, hCard parsers not only don't need to 
> know how to handle embedded hAudio, but in many cases they couldn't 
> possibly know because they were written before hAudio even existed.
>> And it doesn't seem to have proved a problem for 'url', which is 
>> defined fairly differently in RFC 2426 (vCard) and RFC 2445 (iCalendar).
> Untrue.  Here are two documented real world examples (or rather two 
> sites with thousands of examples) of exactly this problem:
> http://microformats.org/wiki/mfo#hCard_in_hCalendar
>> This seems to be a solution to a problem which doesn't exist.
> Again, untrue.  There are more examples on the MFO page.  If it's a 
> rare problem, that's because it only comes up when microformats are 
> used in high density.  Rather than being edge cases, these cases are 
> the core of what we're trying to do with microformats.  We're trying 
> to encourage descriptive markup, and it's the sites with the most 
> descriptive markup where existing parsing rules leave ambiguity.

Is the  "item" property in haudio MFO?


  *The element /MUST/ be processed opaquely. No sub-elements should be 
read from any hAudio contained in a track element.


... or am I misunderstanding the "microformat object(opaque)" problem.


Martin McEvoy
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