[uf-new] Opacity (Was: change haudio title to htitle.)

[Martin McEvoy]

Hello Toby...

Toby A Inkster wrote:
> There are really two problems being discussed here. Microformat 
> opacity and class name clashes between microformats. A solution to the 
> former problem relegates the latter to a mere matter of aesthetics; a 
> solution to the latter problem does nothing for the former problem.
>
> To illustrate, say we solve the "title" problem by defining "htitle" 
> as a common title/heading property. That alone will not solve:
>
> <div class="hentry">
>   <h1 class="htitle">My Thoughts for the Day</h1>
>   <div class="entry-content hreview">
>     <h2 class="htitle">Foo Song Sucks</h2>
>     <div class="item haudio">
>       <h3 class="htitle">Foo Song</h3>
>     </div>
>   </div>
> </div>

I think you misunderstand my proposal, I am not proposing that anything 
should change in hAtom, hReview or any other existing Draft Microformat, 
just hAudio, other in progress, or future microformat,  this is how the 
proposal will work....

<div class="hentry">
  <h1 class="entry-title">My Thoughts for the Day</h1>
  <div class="entry-content hreview">
    <h2 class="summary">Foo Song Sucks</h2>
    <div class="haudio">
      <h3 class="htitle">Foo Song</h3>
    </div>
  </div>
</div>

the only way it *could* be useful to hAtom is as an *extra* property 
maybe as a feed title.

<div classs="hfeed">
    <h1 class="htitle">My Blog Title</h1>
<div class="hentry">
  <h2 class="entry-title">My Thoughts for the Day</h2>
  <div class="entry-content hreview">
    <h3class="summary">Foo Song Sucks</h4>
    <div class="haudio">
      <h4 class="htitle">Foo Song</h4>
    </div>
  </div>
</div>


Best Wishes

Martin McEvoy
>
> Without microformat opacity, the hentry's title could be parsed as any 
> of "My Thoughts for the Day", "Foo Song Sucks" or "Foo Song". "htitle" 
> would do nothing to solve this. Better implementation of MFO in 
> parsers would.
>
> I have documented Cognition's MFO on the Wiki. Back in March I 
> outlined the gist of the algorithm here:
>
> http://microformats.org/wiki/mfo-brainstorming#mfo_class_is_a_workable_solution 
>
>
> More recently, I've documented Cognition's entire Microformat parsing 
> algorithm (apart from recent support I've added for parsing durations) 
> here:
>
> http://microformats.org/wiki/parsing-brainstorming
>
> I believe this offers a bullet-proof approach to microformat opacity, 
> but would certainly appreciate counter-examples to further refine the 
> algorithm.
>
> I'd suggest that this discussion shift to uf-dev.
>