[uf-new] PROPOSAL: Replace hAudio FN with TITLE

Martin McEvoy info at weborganics.co.uk
Thu Feb 7 03:28:01 PST 2008

On Wed, 2008-02-06 at 13:06 -0500, Manu Sporny wrote:
> It is difficult for Microformat newbies to understand the reasoning
> behind the choice of FN for hAudio titles. Similarly, its semantic
> meaning is questionable when used with hAudio to name song, album and
> audio recording title's in general.
> There does not seem to be any legacy issues with using TITLE from hCard,
> other than the definition would have to change from "job title" to
> "title". Since hCard is the only Microformat that uses TITLE, and since
> TITLE has a more specific meaning in hCard to mean "job title", it can
> be said that TITLE, much like FN, becomes more specific given the context.
> FN in hCard means "the formatted name of a person or orgainzation".
> FN in hAudio currently means "the formatted name of an audio recording".
> If this proposal were adopted, the following would hold:
> TITLE in hCard means "job title"
> TITLE in hAudio means "audio recording title"
> It was asserted that this change would have no ill-effects to any other
> Microformat[1]. That assertion has yet to be challenged.

I think that many people, by the above statement, may think this has
something to do with hcard, we can draw comparisons to hcard (if you
like) but that is not what is meant.

Title in the context of this proposal means (amongst a plethora of other

Atom title,  Contains a human readable title for the entry. This value
should not be blank.

RSS2 title,	The title of the item.	Venice Film Festival Tries to Quit

html Title,  Authors should use the TITLE element to identify the
contents of a document.

Dublin Core dc:title,  A name given to the resource.

XSPF Title,  Human-readable name of the track.. (garbage after this I
think someone needs to look at the spec and amend it)
http://www.xspf.org/xspf-v0.html#title (for a cleaner definition)

Ogg Vorbis Comment, TITLE,  "the work", whether a symphony, or a pop

+1 By the way nice proposal.

Kind regards

Martin McEvoy

PS: Its interesting to note that "Title's" in classical music generally
get their names from the "sheet music titles",  cant find any reliable
sources that say this, but I would say kind of relevant.

> The reasons for this change include:
> - TITLE is more semantically accurate, we are trying to describe the
>   title of the audio recording.
> - TITLE makes more sense to Microformats newbies than FN does.
> - There can be conflicts between hAudio FN and hCard FN - these
>   conflicts are more prevalent that hAudio TITLE and hCard TITLE
>   conflicts because TITLE is used less in hCard than FN.
> Oppositions to changing from FN to TITLE include:
> - It is already defined as "job title" in hCard.
> If you are in support of this proposal, please speak up, even if it is a
> "+1". If you are opposed to this proposal, please let us know the
> reasoning to your opposition.
> -- manu
> [1]http://microformats.org/discuss/mail/microformats-new/2008-February/001419.html
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