[uf-new] hAudio/Audio RDF clarification (possible admin moderation request)

[Martin McEvoy]

Manu Sporny wrote:

I also sent this one too:

> Martin McEvoy wrote:
>> I will be adding Myself as Editor on the Version 1.0  format, because 
>> I don't have some other agenda other than completing haudio.
> In fact forget that its not very diplomatic, I will Invite Tantek, or 
> Brian to edit the 1.0 version of hAudio they are the two admin's that 
> have had the most input in haudio, haudio may gain a little of its 
> credibility in this way, and I think that it is the best.
>
> I will be emailing the admin's airing your total disregard of 
> microformat's principles, and of the damage you are causing the 
> Microformats Community, in particular hAudio 
> http://microformats.org/wiki/haudio and currency 
> http://microformats.org/wiki/currency to which you had no hand in 
> authoring.
>
> I will CC you the email in the next few days.
>
>
> Kind Regards
>
> Martin McEvoy 


> Attached is a personal e-mail that I received today regarding my
> intentions towards hAudio and Audio RDF. I will be responding publicly
> to what I perceive as an attack on my efforts surrounding hAudio, Audio
> RDF, Microformats and RDFa.
>
> I am hesitant to make this a public issue as I don't want to waste
> anybody's time, but also do not want any sort of mis-information to be
> spread or assumptions made about my intentions with regard to hAudio,
> Audio RDF, the Microformats community or RDFa. This is a way of
> documenting this issue publicly, so that there is no question with
> regard to insinuations of non-transparency. I feel that I must respond
> to these allegations, even though I deem them to have no merit, to
> prevent people from getting the wrong impression.
>
> This conversation started on the RDFa mailing list:
>
> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-in-xhtml-tf/2008Sep/0037.html
>
> Attached is a private e-mail I received a little over an three hours ago
> from Martin McEvoy. I'm surprised as it is out of character for him to
> be this aggressive, but I certainly don't want this to get out of hand.
> I'll publicly respond to his comments, as he has asked me to do, in case
> anybody else has been under the same mistaken set of impressions.
>
> -- manu
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Subject: Re: RDFa and Microformats
> From: Martin McEvoy <martin at weborganics.co.uk>
> Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 22:19:47 +0100
> To: Manu Sporny <msporny at digitalbazaar.com>
>
> This is off list Manu
>
> Martin McEvoy wrote:
>   
>> Manu Sporny wrote:
>>     
>>> Martin McEvoy wrote:
>>>
>>>       
>>>> Talking of  "hacks" why is this NOT a "hack" :
>>>> http://wiki.digitalbazaar.com/en/HAudio_RDFa? it looks like a direct rip
>>>> from the Microformats wiki,
>>>>
>>>>         
>>> That's because it started out as a direct rip from the Microformats wiki
>>>
>>>       
>> it still is
>>     
>>> - the fact that it is so close to hAudio was deliberate. The intention
>>> was to create a cross-community vocabulary that would work for people
>>> jumping between RDFa and Microformats.
>>>       
>> what people?  hAudio is not yet even a draft proposal, and all these
>>     
> Publisher were Jumping around between vocabularies, that's interesting
> show me where?
>   
>>> The outcome of that research was
>>> this:
>>>
>>>       
>> By the W3C, the Microformats Community...?
>>     
>>> http://purl.org/media/audio
>>>
>>> The Audio RDF Vocabulary above has a clean/direct mapping to/from
>>> Microformats hAudio.
>>>
>>>       
>
> Yo may be wandering about all the retaliation about "audio rdfa" Manu
> when you Microformats New mailing list with hAudio RDFa  you received
> little support for your endeavour, in fact it was explicitly stated that:
>
>   
>> --- this is one of the things that microformats wants to prevent...
>>
>>     
> http://microformats.org/discuss/mail/microformats-new/2007-July/000716.html
>
> basically because it causes a "drift" in semantics. you received no
> feedback from the list because we didn't want you to do it. you read
> Brian's email right?  it was an incidental concern.
>
> It goes a little further than that,  basically Manu You ripped the
> hAudio Microformat against the wishes of the Microformats Community and
> thus seriously damaged the haudio process in fact you almost killed it
> dead. if I could have stopped you I would. lets get hAudio out the door
> first eh!
>
> I request that you refrain from Editing the hAudio wiki further until I
> can be sure you are not serving your own needs.
>
> I cant believe you became an invited expert over your efforts. how did
> you deserve that.
>
> I will be adding Myself as Editor on the Version 1.0  format, because I
> don't have some other agenda other than completing haudio.
>
> Manu If you Ignore this email like you seem to conveniently do, I will
> post this email to the list because I think you will be ignoring me and
> I really would like some answers this time publicly or privately .
>
> Best Wishes
>
> Martin McEvoy
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