[uf-new] re: Microformats support for aggregate reviews

[Kavi Goel]

This approach makes sense to me. What do other folks think?

On Wed, Feb 18, 2009 at 4:10 PM, Othar Hansson <othar at othar.com> wrote:
>
> Adding a new microformat for aggregate reviews seems like the wrong
> direction to me, because we're adding one that will have strictly
> fewer users than hReview itself.
>
> Will we do the same for aggregates of everything?  products, listings,
> events, etc. could all reasonably have aggregates to describe "what's
> on a page".
>
> Why don't we just define a trivial microformat "aggregate", which
> contains one value "count", and can wrap any other microformat?  The
> fields of the wrapped microformat get a new meaning: any given field
> is meant to be an aggregate of all the other data associated with the
> page.  E.g., a hypothetical price field should contain a price range.
> A rating field should contain an aggregrate rating.  etc.
>
> --Othar
>
>
>
> On Fri, Feb 13, 2009 at 8:26 AM, Myers, Jay <Jay.Myers at bestbuy.com> wrote:
> >
> > Good morning Kavi,
> >
> > I am putting together an example this morning to post on the wiki. A
> > couple of issues that I ran into with the "postcard" example we talked
> > about earlier this week:
> >
> > -- hReview has a required item attribute. I decided to put an href
> > around the stars that points to a product detail page url. It might not
> > be the most solid workaround, but we can certainly work on that either
> > through the format itself, or altering the html to include the name of
> > the product.
> > -- in many examples there is a total number of reviews. I have added the
> > class "num" to identify this. Completely up for debate on the naming...
> >
> > I should be able to create more examples from other sites next week...
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Jay
> >
> >
> > Jay Myers
> > Lead Web Development Engineer
> > Online Solutions, BestBuy.com
> > jay.myers at bestbuy.com
> > (w) 612-291-4007
> > (c) 612-296-5836
> > (twitter) @jaymyers
> > (skype) jaymmyers
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: microformats-new-bounces at microformats.org
> > [mailto:microformats-new-bounces at microformats.org] On Behalf Of Kavi
> > Goel
> > Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 4:26 PM
> > To: For discussion of new microformats.
> > Subject: Re: [uf-new] re: Microformats support for aggregate reviews
> >
> > Hi all,
> >
> > Here is a quick update on conversations around microformats aggregate
> > reviews support. I've updated the aggregate-review-brainstorming wiki
> > page based on our IRC conversation a few weeks ago:
> > http://microformats.org/wiki/aggregate-review-brainstorming
> >
> > The short summary of the proposal that emerged from the discussion
> > over IRC is as follows:
> > - define a new microformat that contains two elements. 1) number of
> > reviews, and 2) an embedded hReview
> > - fields in the embedded hReview (i.e. rating, summary, item type)
> > would refer to aggregate information. For example, the rating is the
> > average rating across all reviews.
> >
> > Why this proposal?
> > - the new microformat would contain only one element (at least in an
> > initial version) to keep things simple according to the 80% rule
> > - creating a new microformat rather than extending hReview provides
> > flexibility to potentially add more aggregate-only fields in the
> > future without cluttering hReview.
> >
> > If this approach seems like a good one, Jay Myers and/or I will also
> > add a few examples of how this markup could look for some sites.
> >
> > One issue we ran into when trying to apply this to Best Buy and Amazon
> > pages -- on many pages, the entire page is about a product, whereas
> > only a section of the page is about the reviews. On the other hand,
> > for sites like Yelp, the entire page is about the reviews, and only a
> > section of the page is about the product spec. So it probably makes
> > sense to allow embedded reviews in hProduct's as well as embedded
> > hProduct's in hReview's depending on the hierarchy that naturally
> > exists on the page.
> >
> > Kavi
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 4:02 PM, Kavi Goel <kavi at google.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > In order to move this discussion about aggregate reviews along, I'd
> > > like to have a discussion over IRC. As a heads-up, I'll plan on
> > > discussing alternatives around 2PM Pacific time tomorrow. For folks in
> > > different timezones who will be out enjoying the nightlife, sleeping
> > > or otherwise away from a computer, please feel encouraged to post
> > > ideas via this email discussion or on the brainstorming wiki here:
> > > http://microformats.org/wiki/aggregate-review-brainstorming
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > > Kavi
> > >
> > > On Wed, Jan 14, 2009 at 12:48 AM, Toby A Inkster
> > <mail at tobyinkster.co.uk> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Jamie Rumbelow wrote:
> > > >
> > > >> See, comments like that lead me on to think that we need some form
> > of
> > > >> pagination system for microformats - pagination is much more
> > popular among
> > > >> sites these days and a rel="paginate" might come in handy.
> > > >
> > > > HTML already has perfectly good rel="next"/"prev" for that.
> > > >
> > > > http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40/types.html#type-links
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Toby A Inkster
> > > > <mailto:mail at tobyinkster.co.uk>
> > > > <http://tobyinkster.co.uk>
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > microformats-new mailing list
> > > > microformats-new at microformats.org
> > > > http://microformats.org/mailman/listinfo/microformats-new
> > _______________________________________________
> > microformats-new mailing list
> > microformats-new at microformats.org
> > http://microformats.org/mailman/listinfo/microformats-new
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > microformats-new mailing list
> > microformats-new at microformats.org
> > http://microformats.org/mailman/listinfo/microformats-new
> _______________________________________________
> microformats-new mailing list
> microformats-new at microformats.org
> http://microformats.org/mailman/listinfo/microformats-new