[uf-rest] Fwd: [microformats-discuss] REX! Re: REST-discuss list, naming

[Dr. Ernie Prabhakar]

Forwarding to uf-rest, so we can continue the discussion there...

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> From: Joe Gregorio <joe.gregorio at gmail.com>
> Date: October 21, 2005 1:28:14 PM PDT
> To: Microformats Discuss <microformats-discuss at microformats.org>
> Subject: Re: [microformats-discuss] REX! Re: REST-discuss list, naming
> Reply-To: Microformats Discuss <microformats-discuss at microformats.org>
>
> On 10/21/05, Ryan Tomayko <rtomayko at gmail.com> wrote:
>> There's actually a lot more going on here. Joe, if you get some time,
>> run through these:
>>
>> http://microformats.org/wiki/duhper-proposal-preso
>> (I think this is the latest, the url keeps changing)
>>
>> http://microformats.org/wiki/rest-brainstorming
>>
>> I've been watching from afar but the proposal is much more than just
>> using XHTML w/ existing REST technique.  Briefly,
>
> Yeah, I have concerns too if this is the proposal.
>
> The biggest problem
> is that HTML over HTTP is already RESTful. Every web page with a form
> is already a self-descriptive hypertext document on how to compose
> the request.
>
>>   1. Constraining REST verbs to POST/GET
>
> As for restricting to POST/GET, that's the wrong direction to be  
> moving
> in, just look at Web Forms 2.0[1] for what's coming in the next  
> version
> of HTML.
>
>>   2. A system for constructing URLs.
>
> There are already several systems for construction URLs,
> for example the one included in
> HTML, and OpenSearch[2].
>
>>   3. Discovery through URL construction as opposed to hypermedia.
>
> Hypertext as the engine of application state is an important
> concept, one I've written an entire article on [3].
>
>>   4. Limiting transfer representations to application/x-www-form- 
>> urlencoded
>
> I'm not gonna really comment on that except to point out that
> uploading a video encoded in application/x-www-form-urlencoded
> is going to be a bit wasteful.
>
>> I'd like to hear your feelings about some of these proposals as I  
>> have
>> reservations about a few of them (especially #1, #2, #3, #4).
>
> I've got my own ideas about how microformats intersect
> with RESTful web services that I've outlined in [4],
> in general seeing everything through my Atom colored
> glasses.
>
> [1] http://www.whatwg.org/specs/web-forms/current-work/
> [2] http://opensearch.a9.com/spec/opensearchquerysyntax/1.1/
> [3] http://www.xml.com/pub/a/2005/04/06/restful.html
> [4] http://bitworking.org/news/What_do_you_see_in_Web_2_0_
>
>    -joe
>
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Ernest N. Prabhakar, Ph.D. <drernie at opendarwin.org>
Ex-Physicist, Marketing Weenie, and Dilettante Hacker
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