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<h1> Advocacy </h1>
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<entry-title> Advocacy </entry-title>
A lot can be done to help advocate the use of microformats. Often, simply by taking an existing site, and adding the suggested microformatting to a few of its pages as examples is all that is necessary to help the developers of the site add the microformats to the site itself. Applications, such as browsers, could also use some guidance on how to best support microformats.
A lot can be done to help advocate the use of microformats. Often, simply by taking an existing site, and adding the suggested microformatting to a few of its pages as examples is all that is necessary to help the developers of the site add the microformats to the site itself. Applications, such as browsers, could also use some guidance on how to best support microformats.
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Sometimes advocacy requires comparison and analysis of alternative technologies or approaches.  As [[User:MikeSchinkel|Mike Schinkel]] pointed out, we need good answers to comments like "No, we're going to use XXX instead...".
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Sometimes advocacy requires comparison and analysis of alternative technologies or approaches.  As [[User:MikeSchinkel|Mike Schinkel]] pointed out, we need good answers to comments like "No, we're going to use XYZ instead...".
The goal for this page is to include pointers for how to advocate microformats on new sites and on existing sites that are considering or using alternative approaches, as well as applications that can benefit from supporting microformats.
The goal for this page is to include pointers for how to advocate microformats on new sites and on existing sites that are considering or using alternative approaches, as well as applications that can benefit from supporting microformats.
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For general resources for marketing microformats, see [[spread-microformats]].
For general resources for marketing microformats, see [[spread-microformats]].
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== Adding Microformats to Existing Sites ==
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== Adding microformats to Existing Sites ==
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Add sites here that you think would benefit from the addition of microformats. For now they are grouped by the microformat which would primarily benefit the site. Feel free to take a look at some of the sites on this list, document sample pages to be microformatted, add microformats to them, and then add the before/after of the key sections of mark-up to another wiki page for that site.
Add sites here that you think would benefit from the addition of microformats. For now they are grouped by the microformat which would primarily benefit the site. Feel free to take a look at some of the sites on this list, document sample pages to be microformatted, add microformats to them, and then add the before/after of the key sections of mark-up to another wiki page for that site.
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If your successes resulted from emails that you sent to site owners/developers, please consider sharing your successful advocacy emails on the [[advocacy-email-samples]] page, and along with each email sample, list the sites which responded positively to your email.  This way others in the community can learn from your success and hopefully use your email samples to contact additional sites and get them to adopt microformats.
If your successes resulted from emails that you sent to site owners/developers, please consider sharing your successful advocacy emails on the [[advocacy-email-samples]] page, and along with each email sample, list the sites which responded positively to your email.  This way others in the community can learn from your success and hopefully use your email samples to contact additional sites and get them to adopt microformats.
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=== hCard ===
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=== organization ===
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Adding [[hcard|hCard]] to these sites would make them quite handy for their users and for being indexed:
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For now this section is organized primarily by microformat, as that's easier for the community to document and keep track of.
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==== Online Profiles ====
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Nearly every website that has a login has a page representing the public profile of the user that other users can see and interact with. Many such sites already [[hcard-implementations|support hCard]] (e.g. ClaimID.com, Flickr.com, Technorati.com, Zooomr.com). Here are some that I think would benefit from the addition of hCard to their profile / user pages. Feel free to add more such sites that have a social network profile-like component and I'll see what I can do. [[User:Tantek|Tantek]] 17:44, 13 Dec 2006 (PST)
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* [http://jpgmag.com/ JPG magazine] - have sent email to their web developer with sample marked up member profile with [[hcard|hCard]] and [[xfn]] [[rel-me|rel="me"]]. [[User:Tantek|Tantek]] 23:48, 21 Feb 2007 (PST)
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* Twitter.com - working on it [[User:Tantek|Tantek]] 17:44, 13 Dec 2006 (PST)
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* Consumating.com - working on it [[User:Tantek|Tantek]] 17:44, 13 Dec 2006 (PST)
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* Wikimedia - including this site, Wikipedia (See [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Microformats WikiProject Microformats]), Wikitravel, etc.
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**It would be nice if <nowiki>[[User:YOURNAME]]</nowiki> links generated proper (mini)hCards. ([http://microformats.org/wiki?title=to-do&diff=12177&oldid=12173#Lazyweb per SteveIvy]; moved from 'to-do')
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* Alexa.com has online profiles for domains with contact information.  Would be great if they could add hCard to those. 2007-04-18 [[User:Tantek]] requested of [[User:BenWest]] e.g.:
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** http://www.alexa.com/data/details?url=alexa.com/
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** http://www.alexa.com/data/details?url=w3.org/
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==== Online Venues ====
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There are many sites that offer pages that represent organizations and venues that could benefit from being marked up with hCard. [http://local.yahoo.com/ Yahoo Local] venues are marked up with hCards for example. Here are some more sites that have venues that would benefit from hCard markup.
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* [http://dodgeball.com/ Dodgeball] venues.
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* Yelp.com
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====Wikpedia hCard====
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** [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Infobox_Biography&action=edit Infobox_Biography]
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** [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Infobox_actor&action=edit Infobox_actor] which should result in actor pages, e.g. [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Humphrey_Bogart Humphrey Bogart]'s page, being properly hCarded.
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*Addressable buildings e.g. [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Old_Crown%2C_Birmingham The Old Crown, Birmingham]
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*Tourist attractions, e.g. [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cadbury_World Cadbury World]
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*Companies, e.g. [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tesco Tesco] (note headquarters address in infobox)
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*Motorway service stations, e.g. [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Watford_Gap_service_station Watford Gap]
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*Railway Stations, e.g. [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perry_Barr_railway_station Perry Barr]
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*etc.
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*See also [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Microformats WikiProject Microformats] [[User:AndyMabbett|Andy Mabbett]] 13:10, 28 Jan 2007 (PST)
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* See also [[persondata|discussion of Wikipedia's Persondata]], which aligns very closely with hCard, but has additional date and place of birth & death fields. [[User:AndyMabbett|Andy Mabbett]] 13:23, 28 Mar 2007 (PDT)
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====Telephone Directory Listings====
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Telephone Directory Listings could usefully apply hCard to their results pages. [[User:AndyMabbett|Andy Mabbett]] 03:10, 13 Nov 2006 (PST)
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*[http://www.thephonebook.bt.com/ BT]
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**Requested via [http://tinyurl.com/yhtdjy BT feedback form], 2006-11-13 [[User:AndyMabbett|Andy Mabbett]]
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**BT confirm that they will consider this at their next re-build. 2006-12 [[User:AndyMabbett|Andy Mabbett]]
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*[http://118118.com 118118.com]
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**Requested via e-mail, 2006-11-13. [[User:AndyMabbett|Andy Mabbett]]
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*[http://192.com/ 192.com]
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**Requested via [http://www.192.com/support/feedback.cfm 192.com feedback form], 2007-03-07 [[User:AndyMabbett|Andy Mabbett]]
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*[http://www.skype.com/intl/en-gb/download/features/skypefind/ SkypeFind]
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**Requested via [http://support.skype.com/?_a=tickets&_m=submit Skype feedback form], 2007-03-16 [[User:AndyMabbett|Andy Mabbett]]
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*[http://www.whitepages.com/ White Pages (USA/ Canada)]
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*[http://www.whitepages.com.au/ White Pages (Australia)]
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*[http://www.switchboard.com/ Stitchboard (USA)]]
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*[http://people.yahoo.com/ Yahoo! People Search (USA)]
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*[http://www.whowhere.com/ Lycos People Search (USA)]
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*[http://www.bsnl.co.in/map.htm BSNL (India)]
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Postal code Finders could usefully apply hCard to their results pages. [[User:AndyMabbett|Andy Mabbett]] 12:09, 13 Nov 2006 (PST)
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*[http://pol.royalmail.com/dda/txt/pf.asp Royal Mail] (UK)
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**Requested via [http://tinyurl.com/ya4hzu Royal Mail feedback form], 2006-11-13 [[User:AndyMabbett|Andy Mabbett]]
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**Acknowledged 2006-11-30. [[User:AndyMabbett|Andy Mabbett]]
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====Government hCard====
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* Parliament: [http://www.parliament.uk/directories/hciolists/alms.cfm Alphabetical List of Members of Parliament] (see also [http://www.parliament.uk/directories/directories.cfm other lists of MPs and Lords]). [[User:AndyMabbett|Andy Mabbett]]
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* e.g. [http://www.europarl.org.uk/uk_meps/westmidlands.asp UK MEPs]
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Many companies and organizations have about or contact pages that could benefit from being marked up with hCard.  [http://technorati.com/about/contact.html Technorati's contact page] for example is both marked up with hCard and has a convenient "Add to Address Book" hCard to vCard converter link. The following company sites could benefit from similar markup (and, until user agents support hCards natively, "Add to Address Book" links). [[User:Tantek|Tantek]] 17:44, 13 Dec 2006 (PST)
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*Adobe
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**[http://www.adobe.com/aboutadobe/offices.html Adobe offices]
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***Requested using contact form, 2006-12-14. [[User:AndyMabbett|Andy Mabbett]]
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*Google
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**Contacts, e.g.
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*** [http://www.google.com/intl/en/contact/index.html Google.com contact page]
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**** Requested by asking Google Employee KevinMarks via instant messaging to add hCard to that page along with a "Add to Address Book" link [[User:Tantek|Tantek]] 11:32, 10 Apr 2007 (PDT) and RyanKing in IRC
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*** [http://www.google.co.uk/intl/en/contact/index.html Google UK], etc.
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*[http://www.mozilla.com/ Mozilla]
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**[http://www.mozilla.com/en-US/about/legal.html Mozilla legal notices]
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*Opera
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**People, e.g. [http://people.opera.com/howcome/ Håkon Wium Lie]; could also be hResume
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**[http://www.w3.org/Consortium/contact W3C contact]
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**[http://www.w3.org/People/all W3C Staff listing] and individual pages, e.g. [http://www.w3.org/People/Berners-Lee/ Tim Berners-Lee]
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***Requested by e-mail. [[User:AndyMabbett|Andy Mabbett]]
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==== Individual hCards ====
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Getting these sites to at least add hCard to their home page or contact info page and then [http://pingerati.net/ping/ ping Pingerati] would be an excellent start with getting them some experience with microformats and thinking about adding microformats to other places in their sites that make sense:
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* [http://www.imdb.com/ Internet Movie Database] (IMDb) for people (real, not characters), e.g. [http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000007/ Humphrey Bogart]. [[User:AndyMabbett|Andy Mabbett]] 02:49, 13 Nov 2006 (PST)
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**Can't find contact info! [[User:AndyMabbett|Andy Mabbett]]
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*Wikitravel
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**e.g. [http://wikitravel.org/en/Birmingham_%28England%29 Wikitravel - Birmingham]
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***See also [http://wikitravel.org/en/Wikitravel:Microformats Wikitravel:Microformats]
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*[http://orlabs.oclc.org/Identities/ WorldCat Identities]
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**The recently prototyped WorldCat Identities provides pages for 20 million 'identities', mainly authors and people who are the subjects of published titles.
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* DanC offers a 150 point bounty to anybody who takes [http://www.w3.org/2006/05/w3c-track the W3C track at WWW2006] and adds hCalendar markup and sends it to connolly@w3.org,www-archive@w3.org
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*A major coup would be to get one of the major players (the BBC, Sky, or PBS, say), to mark up their TV or radio listings with hCalendar - does anyone have contacts in such an organisation? [[User:AndyMabbett|Andy Mabbett]] 10:53, 21 Oct 2006 (PDT)
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**Does anyone have URLs to the TV or radio listings of the major players? Getting those URLs would be the next step, and then doing the markup ourselves would be the next step after that. [[User:Tantek|Tantek]] 13:02, 21 Oct 2006 (PDT)
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*[http://www.tvtimes.co.uk/ TV Times] (UK)
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** Requested by e-mail 2006-11-13 [[User:AndyMabbett|Andy Mabbett]]
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*BBC main listings (e.g. [http://www.bbc.co.uk/bbcone/listings/index.shtml?service_id=4223 BBC One])
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** Requested by [http://www.bbc.co.uk/feedback/bbci_comment.shtml BBC Feedback Form] 2006-11-13 [[User:AndyMabbett|Andy Mabbett]]
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** [http://microformats.org/discuss/mail/microformats-discuss/2007-January/008129.html "We're currently looking at using the event microformat on the redesigned radio 4 schedule page (and possibly throughout bbc.co.uk/radio4"] 2007-01-14 per email.
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** Requested by e-mail, 2006-12-01 [[User:AndyMabbett|Andy Mabbett]] 11:47, 1 Dec 2006 (PST)
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*[http://www.scotland.gov.uk/Publications/2005/01/bankholidays Scottish Executive Bank Holidays]
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**Can't find contact info! [[User:AndyMabbett|Andy Mabbett]]
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* [http://www.dpreview.com/ Digital Photography Review]
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* [http://www.steves-digicams.com/ Steve's Digicams]
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**Requested by feedback form, 2006-12-05. [[User:AndyMabbett|Andy Mabbett]]
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**[http://microformats.org/discuss/mail/microformats-discuss/2006-December/007531.html eBay response of 2006-12-08]
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====IT News sites====
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There is obviously a great deal of publicity to be gained, by having microformats used on sites about IT developments, which are likely to be read by people in a position to have microformats used, and microformat tools implemented, in their organisations. Please add to this list!
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*[http://www.theregister.co.uk/ The Register] (UK)
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**Requested by e-mail, 2006-12-14. [[User:AndyMabbett|Andy Mabbett]]
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*[http://www.ziffdavis.com/ Ziff-Davis] media sites, e.g:
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**[http://www.microsoft-watch.com/ Microsoft Watch]
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**[http://www.linux-watch.com/ Linux Watch]
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**[http://www.webbuyersguide.com/ Web Buyer's Guide]
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**Requested at corporate level, 2006-12-14. [[User:AndyMabbett|Andy Mabbett]]
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* [http://www.netmag.co.uk .Net magazine (UK)] (issue dated December 2006, has tutorial on microformats, by Rachel Andrew)
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* ...
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====Other high-profile IT sites====
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**Requested via feedback form, 2007-01-18. [[User:AndyMabbett|Andy Mabbett]]
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**Are using hCard, but will not use hCalendar, saying: "There are aspects of hCalendar that we are not happy using in this situation [...] It surrounds the use of the abbr element, particularly surrounding times in a table cell (the schedule will be slotted into a table once it is ready)." 2007-01-20. [[User:AndyMabbett|Andy Mabbett]]
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====Science + Technology====
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*[http://www.eurekalert.org/ Eurekalert]
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====Miscellany====
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*[http://www.wikioutdoors.com/ WikiOutdoors]
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**Requested, 2007-03-14
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**[http://www.wikioutdoors.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=80#80 Considering] [[User:AndyMabbett|Andy Mabbett]] 04:17, 15 Mar 2007 (PDT)
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== Adding Microformats to Applications ==
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===Browsers===
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====Firefox====
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=====LinkAlert=====
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*The [http://conlan89.googlepages.com/linkalert LinkAlert] extension could signal when a link is marked as a tag (likewise for other "rel" attributes). [[User:AndyMabbett|Andy Mabbett]]
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**Requested by e-mail 2006-12-29. [[User:AndyMabbett|Andy Mabbett]]
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**Response 2007-01-07: "Thank you for your feedback, I will consider adding [...] rel in a future update."
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====Opera====
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* First reference to "microformats" in the [http://my.opera.com/community/forums/topic.dml?id=169975&t=1166045417&page=1#comment1851680 Opera forums]. 2006-12-13 [[User:AndyMabbett|Andy Mabbett]]
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*[http://www.operamini.com/ Opera Mini] (and other browsers on telephones) could especially benefit from recognising the "tel" attributes of hCard, and allowing users to dial numbers found on-line.
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**[http://my.opera.com/community/forums/topic.dml?id=169978 Proposed on forum] 2006-12-13 [[User:AndyMabbett|Andy Mabbett]]
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===Screenreaders===
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*Screenreaders (e.g [http://www.freedomscientific.com/fs_products/software_jaws.asp Jaws]) could recognise telephone number components of hCards, to differentiate them from other strings of digits. [[User:AndyMabbett|Andy Mabbett]] 13:02, 9 Dec 2006 (PST)
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** Additional to this, I believe that screen reader users would benefit from being able to recognise any of the microformats.  For example, there is value in being verbally notified that a page contains "1 contact and 3 events", or being able to seek out rel attributes with help values. [[User:Phae|Frances Berriman]]
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====Blogger====
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* Chris Messina is [http://factoryjoe.com/blog/2006/09/02/on-open-letter-to-blogger/ advocating more support in Blogger]
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====Drupal====
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*[http://plone.org/ Plone] is an Open Source Content Management System ([http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plone_(content_management_system) Plone on Wikipedia]).
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**See this [http://plone.org/events/sprints/past-sprints/calsprint/SprintTopics/?searchterm=microformats 2005 Plone user comment]
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* [[social networks]] - how to add microformats to social networks, especially for [[social-network-portability]].
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**[http://dev.plone.org/plone/ticket/5351 Plone feature request for rel-tag]
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**[http://dev.plone.org/plone/ticket/6050 Plone feature request for microformats], submitted 2007-01-06 [[User:AndyMabbett|Andy Mabbett]]
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* <span id="hCalendar"> [[hcalendar-advocacy]]</span>
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* <span id="hReview">[[hreview-advocacy]]</span>
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*[http://30boxes.com/ 30Boxes] could accept a URL, parse the page for hCalendar microformats, then present a list to the user. These could be selected (via check-boxes) and uploaded. [[User:AndyMabbett|Andy Mabbett]] 13:41, 14 Jan 2007 (PST)
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**[http://30boxes.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=8289#8289 Upload of hCalendars requested on 30Boxes forum] 2007-01-14
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*[http://sws.clearforest.com/ ClearForest Semantic Web Services ] - uses natural language processing tools to recognise people, organisations, places, events and CVs (resumes) in web pages. Would benefit from recognising hCard, hResume, hCalendar, Geo, Adr, etc. Could also use them in its output. [[User:AndyMabbett|Andy Mabbett]] 05:09, 6 Dec 2006 (PST)
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[[Browser]] support of microformats, both built-in, and via plug-ins and extension helps users make better use of the numerous existing sites that have microformats support, as well as encourage sites and site developers to add microformats support.
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===Upcoming===
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== publishing tools ==
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*[http://upcoming.org/ Upcoming] could accept a URL, parse the page for hCalendar microformats, then present a list to the user. These could be selected (via check-boxes) and uploaded. [[User:AndyMabbett|Andy Mabbett]]
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**[http://community.upcoming.org/w/index.php/Suggestion_Box#Upload_events_from_microformatted_pages Upload of hCalendars requested on Upcoming wiki] 2007-01-14
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* [[cms-advocacy]]
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* [[blogging-tools-advocacy]]
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* postlets.com - which crossposs to craigslist.com and other classifieds services.  If they generated span+a microformats (which apparently survive posting into Craigstlist posting), the posters could get postings in hCard without any additional work.
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** check oodle.com also.
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== Successes ==
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=== hCard Successes ===
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*Details of hCard should be added to the [http://www.imc.org/pdi/ Internet Mail Consortium's vCard page]
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If you are a strong and vocal supporter of microformats in your work, please feel free to add yourself to the
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**Requested by e-mail, 2006-11-24 [[User:AndyMabbett|Andy Mabbett]]
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* [[web-agencies]] page
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*W3C
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**{{SuccessMarker}} '''W3C webmaster''' [http://www.w3.org/People/Jean-Gui/ Jean-Guilhem Rouel] now has an hCard. [[User:AndyMabbett|Andy Mabbett]] 15:41, 4 Apr 2007 (PDT)
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*{{SuccessMarker}}Wikipedia-EN - starting to roll-out
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**UK Railway station template, e.g. [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Birmingham_New_Street Birmingham New Street station] (includes Geo)
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=== hCalendar Successes===
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== online tutorials ==
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Add [[microformats2]] to topical online tutorials, especially if they already have classic microformats examples that can be updated.
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* https://stackoverflow.com/questions/5125856/should-i-use-meta-name-author-content-your-name-or-link-rel-author-hr
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**Requested by e-mail, 2006-11-24 [[User:AndyMabbett|Andy Mabbett]]
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** has [[hCard]] example that should be updated to [[h-card]]
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**'''Success''' achieved 2006-11-27. [[User:AndyMabbett|Andy Mabbett]]
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*[http://www.radiotimes.com/ Radio Times] (BBC, UK)
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** Requested by e-mail [[User:AndyMabbett|Andy Mabbett]]
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** {{SuccessMarker}} 2007-03
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=== hReview successes ===
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== multiple microformats ==
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*[http://www.birderslibrary.com/ The Birder's Library]
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<span id="Various">In general add such sites to the page for the primary microformat which would benefit from the sites' support. See above.</span>
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**[http://www.birdforum.net/showthread.php?p=779886#post779886 Requested]; confirmed under development, 2006-12-18.
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** '''Success''' e.g. [http://www.birderslibrary.com/reviews/dvd/audubon_video_guide.htm Audubon VideoGuide to 505 Birds of North America]. Apparently from 2007-01-18 [[User:AndyMabbett|Andy Mabbett]]
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== successes ==
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**All articles on places, e.g. [http://wikitravel.org/en/Birmingham_%28England%29 Wikitravel guide to Birmingham, England]
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[http://ma.gnolia.com ma.gnolia] supports many microformats. These should all be incorporated into the [[examples-in-the-wild]] pages for each specific microformat.
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* [http://wiki.ma.gnolia.com/Microformat_Feature_Requests Microformat Feature Requests on ma.gnolia wiki]
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**{{SuccessMarker}} achieved 2006-12-13, per [http://wikitravel.org/shared/Tech:Add_SpecialMap_using_Mapstraction_link_for_geo-tagged_pages_and_for_single_listings] see, for example, [http://wikitravel.org/en/Birmingham_%28England%29 Wikitravel guide to Birmingham, England] [[User:AndyMabbett|Andy Mabbett]]
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* {{SuccessMarker}} [http://ma.gnolia.com ma.gnolia] is implementing semantic features and microformats quickly. Here's a screenshot of my ma.gnolia page, and the Firefox [https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/4106 Operator extension]'s response to its code. Shiny. :) --[[User:CarlaHufstedler|Carla]] 10:30, 1 Sep 2007 (PDT)<br />
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*[http://www.poi66.com/ POI66]
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[http://flickr.com/photos/hauntedpalace/1296152892/ http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1390/1296152892_20108bd860_d.jpg] (click for larger version)
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**Requested by e-mail, 2007-03-23 [[User:AndyMabbett|Andy Mabbett]]
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* {{SuccessMarker}} added a [http://wiki.ma.gnolia.com/Category:Microformats microformats category] to the ma.gnolia wiki, with information, and then added it to appropriate pages --[[User:CarlaHufstedler|Carla]] 10:37, 3 Sep 2007 (PDT)
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**{{SuccessMarker}} - over '''58,500''' waypoints geo-formatted, in under 4 hours from initial contact!
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*[http://www.geograph.org.uk Geograph British Isles]
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**Requested by feedback form, 2007-03-26 [[User:AndyMabbett|Andy Mabbett]]
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**{{SuccessMarker}} - over '''370,000''' examples, within 30 minutes of request being submitted!
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*[http://www.addressfix.com/ AddressFix]
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**Requested via feedback form, 2007-01-26 [[User:AndyMabbett|Andy Mabbett]]
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*Wikipedia
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***Articles on places, e.g. [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Barr Wikipedia - Great Barr] (roll-out ongoing) 2007-03
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***'''All''' map link pages linked to from the same, e.g. [http://tools.wikimedia.de/~magnus/geo/geohack.php?params=52.548_N_1.932_W_ maps for Wikipedia-EN article on Great Barr]  2007-03
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***See also [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Microformats WikiProject Microformats]
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**{{SuccessMarker}} Wikipedia-DE
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***'''All''' map link pages  e.g. [http://tools.wikimedia.de/~magnus/geo/geohack.php?language=de&params=52_28_47_N_1_53_51_W_type:city_region:GB maps for Wikipedia-DE article on Birmingham]
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***'''All''' map link pages  e.g. [http://www.nsesoftware.nl/wiki/maps.asp?params=52_28_47_N_1_53_51_W_type:city_region:GB&src=Birmingham_%28Engeland%29 maps for Wikipedia-NL article on Birmingham]
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**{{SuccessMarker}} GIS-Wiki's "[http://www.giswiki.org/hjl_get_CoorE.htm hjl_getCoor]" now outputs Geo markup, from a Google Maps API.
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==Rejections==
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=== OpenStreetMap ===
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* I've just added Geo to OpenStreetMap documentation pages - see [http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/Birmingham Birmingham page on OpenStreetMap] for example. [[User:AndyMabbett|Andy Mabbett]] 02:39, 6 Apr 2007 (PDT)
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* [http://www.openstreetmap.org OpenStreetMap] uses the geo microformat on its wiki for place pages (added by [http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/User:Pigsonthewing Andy Mabbett]) and also on the GPS trace pages and diary entry pages ([http://www.dankarran.com/blog/archives/2007/09/04/pinpoint_your_openstreetmap_diary_entries.php added] by [http://www.dankarran.com Dan Karran]).
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===hCalendar rejections===
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=== Wikipedia ===
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*[http://www.dti.gov.uk/employment/bank-public-holidays/index.html DTI: Bank Holidays] (not Scotland)
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For successes on Wikipedia, see the list of [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Templates_generating_microformats Wikipedia templates generating microformats].
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** Requested by e-mail, 2006-11-13 [[User:AndyMabbett|Andy Mabbett]]
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***Response: "At the moment we have no plans to use hCalendar or hCard coding due to unresolved concerns about accessibility issues (especially text-to-speech readers), however, we thank you for your suggestion."
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***Request for clarification of concerns unanswered.
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===Geo rejections===
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See also the individual microformats advocacy pages for specific microformat successes.
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*[http://www.geocaching.com/ geocaching.com]
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**Requested via feedback form, 2007-01-27 [[User:AndyMabbett|Andy Mabbett]]
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**"The true benefit of this appears to be allowing sharing between sites [this] is something that GC specifically guards against so would be a major detriment. And most importantly when discussing a site or piece of software that is running smoothly, if it ain't broke, don't fix it. There just does not seem to be a benefit to GC's current plans." 2007-04-02
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== Comparisons With Alternative Approaches ==
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=== CalDAV ===
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Geo on Wikipedia:
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*Wikipedia-IT now has Geo on all  [http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speciale:PuntanoQui/Template:Coord pages using the ''coord'' template], e.g. [http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Messina Messina]. [[User:AndyMabbett|Andy Mabbett]] 07:05, 26 May 2007 (PDT)
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*I've added geo to [http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:Whatlinkshere/Template:Location_dec_US all images tagged in Wikimedia Commons] using decimal values. Example: [http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:Montreal_City_Hall_Jan_2006.jpg Montreal City Hall, Jan 2006]  [[User:AndyMabbett|Andy Mabbett]] 08:54, 12 Apr 2007 (PDT)
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**Now on pages tagged in D-M-S also.
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* Wikipedia-NL now has Geo on all its map-links pages, e.g. [http://www.nsesoftware.nl/wiki/maps.asp?params=52_28_47_N_1_53_51_W_type:city_region:GB&src=Birmingham_%28Engeland%29 maps for Wikipedia-NL article on Birmingham]
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**Called from '''87,724''' article pages as of 2006-04-09; reportedly the sixth most popular website in the Netherlands [http://www.multiscope.nl/organisatie/nieuws/sberichten/nederlandse-wikipedia-groeit-als-kool.html].
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* I recently added Geo to Wikipedia-DE's map link pages  e.g. [http://tools.wikimedia.de/~magnus/geo/geohack.php?language=de&params=52_28_47_N_1_53_51_W_type:city_region:GB maps for Wikipedia-DE article on Birmingham]. [[User:AndyMabbett|Andy Mabbett]] 14:27, 9 Apr 2007 (PDT)
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====Brian Suda====
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* I've [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template%3AGeoTemplate&diff=119003866&oldid=118216477 just added] Geo to Wikipedia's [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:GeoTemplate GeoTemplate] which is called by '''many thousands''' of other Wikipedia pages. Example: the coordinates (top right) in [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Barr] link to [http://tools.wikimedia.de/~magnus/geo/geohack.php?params=52.54833_N_1.93212_W_region:GB_source:enwiki-osgb36(SP047945)]; the latter now has a Geo microformat. [[User:AndyMabbett|Andy Mabbett]] 03:38, 30 Mar 2007 (PDT)
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The other great thing about exposing your data as microformats, is that the data becomes Open Data. Will the general public have access to the CalDAV? (probably not) and even if they did, it will probably only serve-up .ics files... what if i don't want ICS? i need to then hack that around to get it into the format that i want... if the data were in the HTML to begin with, then i could EASILY convert that to any format i wanted. Also, sites like http://pingerati.net/ will happily take in hCalendar data and aggregate it, make your data more valuable and easily slurped up by other providers - i don't see that happening as easily with a CalDAV.
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** [http://tools.wikimedia.de/~kolossos/wp-world/imageworld-art.php Map showing global distribution of Geo-tagged Wikipedia articles].
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====Kevin Marks====
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== old ==
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With respect to CalDAV: I spoke to the CalDAV chaps at Apple about this, they have hCalendar support as a ticket in their db:
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These sites have shown no activity for 6 months or more and thus are perhaps not worth the effort.
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http://trac.macosforge.org/projects/calendarserver/ticket/19
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*<span id="ClearForest">[http://sws.clearforest.com/ ClearForest Semantic Web Services ]</span> - uses natural language processing tools to recognise people, organisations, places, events and CVs (resumes) in web pages. Would benefit from recognising hCard, hResume, hCalendar, Geo, Adr, etc. Could also use them in its output.
== See Also ==
== See Also ==

Current revision


A lot can be done to help advocate the use of microformats. Often, simply by taking an existing site, and adding the suggested microformatting to a few of its pages as examples is all that is necessary to help the developers of the site add the microformats to the site itself. Applications, such as browsers, could also use some guidance on how to best support microformats.

Sometimes advocacy requires comparison and analysis of alternative technologies or approaches. As Mike Schinkel pointed out, we need good answers to comments like "No, we're going to use XYZ instead...".

The goal for this page is to include pointers for how to advocate microformats on new sites and on existing sites that are considering or using alternative approaches, as well as applications that can benefit from supporting microformats.

For general resources for marketing microformats, see spread-microformats.

Contents

Adding microformats to Existing Sites

Add sites here that you think would benefit from the addition of microformats. For now they are grouped by the microformat which would primarily benefit the site. Feel free to take a look at some of the sites on this list, document sample pages to be microformatted, add microformats to them, and then add the before/after of the key sections of mark-up to another wiki page for that site.

Successes are also noted; the most recent are flagged as Success!.

If your successes resulted from emails that you sent to site owners/developers, please consider sharing your successful advocacy emails on the advocacy-email-samples page, and along with each email sample, list the sites which responded positively to your email. This way others in the community can learn from your success and hopefully use your email samples to contact additional sites and get them to adopt microformats.

organization

For now this section is organized primarily by microformat, as that's easier for the community to document and keep track of.

However, it may be more useful to publishers if we created another section organized by type of site.

E.g.:

etc.

by microformat

h-entry

browsers

Browser support of microformats, both built-in, and via plug-ins and extension helps users make better use of the numerous existing sites that have microformats support, as well as encourage sites and site developers to add microformats support.

See browser-advocacy.

publishing tools

Getting publishing tools adopt microformats will perhaps have the biggest impact on expanding the adoption and support of microformats. See cms for current publishing platform support.

Others:

web agencies

More and more web-agencies are supporting microformats both on their own sites and on sites they build.

Getting more web design, development, etc. agencies and related efforts to adopt microformats also has the indirect benefit of them supporting microformats in the sites they build and develop.

If you are a strong and vocal supporter of microformats in your work, please feel free to add yourself to the

online tutorials

Add microformats2 to topical online tutorials, especially if they already have classic microformats examples that can be updated.

multiple microformats

In general add such sites to the page for the primary microformat which would benefit from the sites' support. See above.

successes

Magnolia

ma.gnolia supports many microformats. These should all be incorporated into the examples-in-the-wild pages for each specific microformat.

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OpenStreetMap

Wikipedia

For successes on Wikipedia, see the list of Wikipedia templates generating microformats.

See also the individual microformats advocacy pages for specific microformat successes.

Specifics:

Geo on Wikipedia:

old

These sites have shown no activity for 6 months or more and thus are perhaps not worth the effort.

See Also

Advocacy was last modified: Monday, March 26th, 2018

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