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During the [http://www.w3.org/2006/03/01-TechPlenAgenda.html W3C Plenary Day] (has [[hcard|hCard]] & [[hcalendar|hCalendar]]!) in the middle of the [http://www.w3.org/2005/12/allgroupoverview.html W3C All Group Meetings Week] in Mandelieu, FRANCE.
During the [http://www.w3.org/2006/03/01-TechPlenAgenda.html W3C Plenary Day] (has [[hcard|hCard]] & [[hcalendar|hCalendar]]!) in the middle of the [http://www.w3.org/2005/12/allgroupoverview.html W3C All Group Meetings Week] in Mandelieu, FRANCE.
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== Attending ==
 
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Please add your name here if you are attending the W3C Plenary Day (whether you are speaking or not), alphabetically sorted by last name.  Consider adding yourself to the [http://esw.w3.org/topic/MeetingTaxis MeetingTaxis page] as well to coordinate rides to/from Nice airport.
 
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* Tantek Çelik
 
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* Dan Connolly
 
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* Ian Hickson
 
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* Rohit Khare
 
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* Håkon Wium Lie
 
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* Jonny Axelsson
 
== Summary ==
== Summary ==
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This is the summary of the panel as sent to Steve Bratt as of 2006-02-17, and published at http://www.w3.org/2006/03/01-TechPlenAgenda.html :
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This is the summary of the panel as published at http://www.w3.org/2006/03/01-TechPlenAgenda.html :
Session 3:  Microformats
Session 3:  Microformats
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Presenters and Topics:
Presenters and Topics:
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* Ian Hickson (Google) - "A billion documents and no semantics anywhere"
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* Ian Hickson (Google) - "[http://www.w3.org/2006/03/01-Hickson/Semantics.html A billion documents and no semantics anywhere]"
* Tantek Çelik (Technorati) - "[http://tantek.com/presentations/2006/03/what-are-microformats/ What are microformats?]"
* Tantek Çelik (Technorati) - "[http://tantek.com/presentations/2006/03/what-are-microformats/ What are microformats?]"
* Håkon Wium Lie (Opera) - "Cascading Markup Languages — boom!"
* Håkon Wium Lie (Opera) - "Cascading Markup Languages — boom!"
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* Rohit Khare (CommerceNet) - "Where Angle Brackets Fear to Tread"
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* Rohit Khare (CommerceNet) - "[http://labs.commerce.net/~rohit/Angstro-W3C-TP/ Where Angle Brackets Fear to Tread]"
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* Dan Connolly (W3C) - "Microformats for practical Semantic Web deployment"
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* Dan Connolly (W3C) - "[http://www.w3.org/2003/g/talk62/slides Microformats for practical Semantic Web deployment]"
== Session Descriptions ==
== Session Descriptions ==
These are session descriptions from each presenter.   
These are session descriptions from each presenter.   
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Presenters, feel free to tweak/update your session descriptions.
 
=== Ian Hickson ===
=== Ian Hickson ===
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"A billion documents and no semantics anywhere"
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"[http://www.w3.org/2006/03/01-Hickson/Semantics.html A billion documents and no semantics anywhere]"
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Slides: http://www.w3.org/2006/03/01-Hickson/Semantics.html
The "semantics" in the title refers to the "semantics" given to the Web by  
The "semantics" in the title refers to the "semantics" given to the Web by  
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content can be given "official" "semantics".
content can be given "official" "semantics".
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Basically my talk will be something like "ooo look pretty shiny billion  
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Basically my talk was "ooo look pretty shiny billion  
documents lots of data that shows people use HTML not like it was intended  
documents lots of data that shows people use HTML not like it was intended  
but we can reverse engineer microformats out of existing practices to  
but we can reverse engineer microformats out of existing practices to  
obtain useful information".
obtain useful information".
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=== Tantek Çelik ===
=== Tantek Çelik ===
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"What are microformats?"
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"[http://tantek.com/presentations/2006/03/what-are-microformats/ What are microformats?]"
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Slides: http://tantek.com/presentations/2006/03/what-are-microformats/
How did we get here?  Picking up (hopefully) where the previous talk left off, a brief review of recent web authoring trends, a timeline of the ideas that formed microformats, and demonstrations how hCard and hCalendar are being put to good use today by publishers, browsers, and end users alike.
How did we get here?  Picking up (hopefully) where the previous talk left off, a brief review of recent web authoring trends, a timeline of the ideas that formed microformats, and demonstrations how hCard and hCalendar are being put to good use today by publishers, browsers, and end users alike.
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=== Rohit Khare ===
=== Rohit Khare ===
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"Where Angle Brackets Fear to Tread"
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"[http://labs.commerce.net/~rohit/Angstro-W3C-TP/ Where Angle Brackets Fear to Tread]"
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Slides: http://labs.commerce.net/~rohit/Angstro-W3C-TP/
XML has been a wild success almost everywhere in the information technology universe *except* for adding semantically-rich information to ordinary Web pages. Once upon a time, we were supposed to wish for <code><nowiki><price></nowiki></code> elements sprinkled about our HTML -- why is are we supposed to be so much more excited to see class="price" this time around? Dr. Khare will speak about his experiences with both xml and microformats in light of a recent project, hListing (for classified ads), and writing a parser and search engine for microformats in general.
XML has been a wild success almost everywhere in the information technology universe *except* for adding semantically-rich information to ordinary Web pages. Once upon a time, we were supposed to wish for <code><nowiki><price></nowiki></code> elements sprinkled about our HTML -- why is are we supposed to be so much more excited to see class="price" this time around? Dr. Khare will speak about his experiences with both xml and microformats in light of a recent project, hListing (for classified ads), and writing a parser and search engine for microformats in general.
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=== Dan Connolly ===
=== Dan Connolly ===
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"Microformats for practical Semantic Web deployment"
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"[http://www.w3.org/2003/g/talk62/slides Microformats for practical Semantic Web deployment]"
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Slides: http://www.w3.org/2003/g/talk62/slides
Microformats provide just enough structure to use semantic web technologies like RDF, OWL, and SPARQL on data in ordinary web pages. Dan will relate a few case studies and demonstrate some tools.
Microformats provide just enough structure to use semantic web technologies like RDF, OWL, and SPARQL on data in ordinary web pages. Dan will relate a few case studies and demonstrate some tools.
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== Attending ==
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Please add your name here if you are attending the W3C Plenary Day (whether you are speaking or not). Consider adding yourself to the [http://esw.w3.org/topic/MeetingTaxis MeetingTaxis page] as well to coordinate rides to/from Nice airport.
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Alphabetically sorted by last name.
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* César Acebal
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* Jonny Axelsson
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* David Baron
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* Tim Berners-Lee
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* Bert Bos
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* Tantek Çelik
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* Dan Connolly
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* Ian Hickson
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* Rohit Khare
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* Kevin Lawver
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* Håkon Wium Lie
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* Luis Villa
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* ...
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* ...
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== Session Comments and Q&A ==
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The meeting was video/audiotaped.  Could those who have a copy please transcribe the Q&A and comments it here?  Those of us who were there might remember who was each speaker and could then annotate that information as well.
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* "I'm very excited about '''microformats'''. What I really want is to get all the data out of databases and expressed as part of the Semantic Web." - Tim Berners-Lee. ('''emphasis''' added)
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* ...
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== Thanks ==
== Thanks ==
Thanks to RobertBachmann for helping markup the [http://www.w3.org/2006/03/01-TechPlenAgenda.html W3C Plenary Day page] with [[hcard|hCard]] & [[hcalendar|hCalendar]].  Previous [http://tantek.com/microformats/2006/03-01-TechPlenAgenda.html working version of the page].
Thanks to RobertBachmann for helping markup the [http://www.w3.org/2006/03/01-TechPlenAgenda.html W3C Plenary Day page] with [[hcard|hCard]] & [[hcalendar|hCalendar]].  Previous [http://tantek.com/microformats/2006/03-01-TechPlenAgenda.html working version of the page].
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== Photos ==
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[http://flickr.com/photos/maguisso/106299136/ http://static.flickr.com/49/106299136_6b263c4f7c_m.jpg]
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[http://flickr.com/photos/maguisso/106299138/ http://static.flickr.com/37/106299138_7af74ad5a3_m_d.jpg]
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[http://flickr.com/photos/maguisso/106299140/ http://static.flickr.com/36/106299140_439cfc31e5_m_d.jpg]
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[http://flickr.com/photos/maguisso/106307608/ http://static.flickr.com/42/106307608_53a4510093_m_d.jpg]
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[http://flickr.com/photos/maguisso/106307611/ http://static.flickr.com/24/106307611_b7325b42c4_m_d.jpg]
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[http://flickr.com/photos/maguisso/106307607/ http://static.flickr.com/56/106307607_7b2b1e045a_m_d.jpg]
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[http://flickr.com/photos/tantek/117004705/ http://static.flickr.com/47/117004705_e7eece0a84_m_d.jpg]
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[http://flickr.com/photos/tantek/117004706/ http://static.flickr.com/38/117004706_b877799c33_m_d.jpg]
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See also the [http://flickr.com/photos/tags/microformatsw3c/ microformatsw3c tag on Flickr].
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=== Photos from the W3C Technical Plenary Week ===
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Taken by:
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[http://flickr.com/photos/dbaron/tags/techplen/ David Baron],
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[http://www.flickr.com/photos/tantek/tags/techplen2006/ Tantek Çelik],
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[http://glazman.org/W3C-TP-2006/ Daniel Glazman],
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[http://flickr.com/photos/amyvdh/tags/techplen/ Amy van der Hiel],
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[http://flickr.com/photos/ishida/tags/techplen/ Richard Ishida],
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[http://www.flickr.com/photos/nicecupoftea/tags/techplen/ Libby Miller],
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[http://flickr.com/photos/maguisso/tags/techplen/ Luis Villa del Campo]

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Microformats panel at W3C Plenary Day

One of several microformats events.

During the W3C Plenary Day (has hCard & hCalendar!) in the middle of the W3C All Group Meetings Week in Mandelieu, FRANCE.

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Summary

This is the summary of the panel as published at http://www.w3.org/2006/03/01-TechPlenAgenda.html :

Session 3: Microformats

Description: Leveraging the widespread adoption and understanding of CSS and semantic (X)HTML among web designers and publishers, microformats are a set of simple, practical, open data formats that are designed for humans first and machines second. Microformats are designed by researching and adapting to current human web publishing behaviors and usage patterns, and then reusing bits of existing widely adopted standards. This session will demonstrate the capabilities that have been quickly developed with microformats on today's Web, review current microformats, and open discussion on what microformats and related efforts mean for the future of the Web..

Moderators: Tantek Çelik (Technorati) and Don Connolly (W3C)

Presenters and Topics:

Session Descriptions

These are session descriptions from each presenter.

Ian Hickson

"A billion documents and no semantics anywhere"

Slides: http://www.w3.org/2006/03/01-Hickson/Semantics.html

The "semantics" in the title refers to the "semantics" given to the Web by HTML, as opposed to the "semantics" that are actually put in the Web by the humans. Microformats can document existing practices (especially based on the data from studies of existing documents) so that the existing content can be given "official" "semantics".

Basically my talk was "ooo look pretty shiny billion documents lots of data that shows people use HTML not like it was intended but we can reverse engineer microformats out of existing practices to obtain useful information".


Tantek Çelik

"What are microformats?"

Slides: http://tantek.com/presentations/2006/03/what-are-microformats/

How did we get here? Picking up (hopefully) where the previous talk left off, a brief review of recent web authoring trends, a timeline of the ideas that formed microformats, and demonstrations how hCard and hCalendar are being put to good use today by publishers, browsers, and end users alike.

Håkon Wium Lie

"Cascading Markup Languages — boom!"

Cascading in CSS allows descigners to not have to provide the full presentation of a document, they only need to supply the deltas from the html default style sheet; cascading does the rest. In the same way, microformats builds on the (admittantly shallow) semantics of HTML; you don't have to create a new laguage to describe more semantics, you just provide the deltas on top of HTML.

This is one of the design principles that CSS and microformat share, others inlcude: simplicity, author-friendliness, an evolutionary approach.

Boom will be provided as an example.

Rohit Khare

"Where Angle Brackets Fear to Tread"

Slides: http://labs.commerce.net/~rohit/Angstro-W3C-TP/

XML has been a wild success almost everywhere in the information technology universe *except* for adding semantically-rich information to ordinary Web pages. Once upon a time, we were supposed to wish for <price> elements sprinkled about our HTML -- why is are we supposed to be so much more excited to see class="price" this time around? Dr. Khare will speak about his experiences with both xml and microformats in light of a recent project, hListing (for classified ads), and writing a parser and search engine for microformats in general.

Dan Connolly

"Microformats for practical Semantic Web deployment"

Slides: http://www.w3.org/2003/g/talk62/slides

Microformats provide just enough structure to use semantic web technologies like RDF, OWL, and SPARQL on data in ordinary web pages. Dan will relate a few case studies and demonstrate some tools.

Attending

Please add your name here if you are attending the W3C Plenary Day (whether you are speaking or not). Consider adding yourself to the MeetingTaxis page as well to coordinate rides to/from Nice airport.

Alphabetically sorted by last name.

Session Comments and Q&A

The meeting was video/audiotaped. Could those who have a copy please transcribe the Q&A and comments it here? Those of us who were there might remember who was each speaker and could then annotate that information as well.


Thanks

Thanks to RobertBachmann for helping markup the W3C Plenary Day page with hCard & hCalendar. Previous working version of the page.

Photos

106299136_6b263c4f7c_m.jpg 106299138_7af74ad5a3_m_d.jpg 106299140_439cfc31e5_m_d.jpg 106307608_53a4510093_m_d.jpg 106307611_b7325b42c4_m_d.jpg 106307607_7b2b1e045a_m_d.jpg 117004705_e7eece0a84_m_d.jpg 117004706_b877799c33_m_d.jpg

See also the microformatsw3c tag on Flickr.

Photos from the W3C Technical Plenary Week

Taken by: David Baron, Tantek Çelik, Daniel Glazman, Amy van der Hiel, Richard Ishida, Libby Miller, Luis Villa del Campo

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