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2d barcodes

2009-07-13T13:43:54Z

DavidCary: possible uses?

There are various types of 2D barcodes, this page is used to list pros and cons of each and how they can be used to encode microformats and [[picoformats]]

* [[qr_code]]
* [[semacode]]

* a 2D barcode can be used to encode the URL of a [[hCard]] on a business card or letterhead
* a 2D barcode can be used to encode small amounts of machine-readable information, even in places without internet access -- perhaps [[Wikipedia: warchalking| warchalking]]-like [[geo]] information on how to find nearby internet access points?
* ... ?

== Further reading ==
* [[Wikipedia: barcode#Matrix (2D) barcodes]]
* [[Wikipedia: object hyperlinking]]

to-do

2009-06-04T08:34:20Z

DavidCary: /* Chris Messina */ microsyntax?

<entry-title>To Do</entry-title>
__TOC__
This page is for posting [[microformats]] related shared to do items. If you want to use this page for your microformats related to-do items, create a section with your name on it. The reason we are keeping these all on the same page is to make it easier to tell when people are working on similar things, and to make it more obvious when people help out with other people's tasks. In theory this probably won't scale, but let's first see how it does in practice. :) - [http://tantek.com Tantek]

== Lazyweb ==

Just some nice things, feel free to do any of these.

=== for all microformats ===
* We have added a new mailing list called microformats-new. There may be some confusion surrounding this change, so it would be helpful to:
** Draft a message to be added to the confirm message sent when someone subscribes to any list including a welcome message, ground rules, topic for the subscribed list, and the topics for nearby lists.
** Add a faq entry somewhere on why the new list was created.
** Double check the wiki pages to make sure advice on mailing lists is accurate.
* quick and easy "how to" pages for each microformat. [[get-started]] is a good overall start.
* brief summary statements for each microformat that explain why it matters, what does it accomplish for the publisher.
* write up [http://microformats.org/discuss/ mailing-list] questions and answers in the appropriate [[faq]] pages.
* validators. See the hReview section below as there has been a request for an hReview validator in particular. See [http://norman.walsh.name/2006/04/13/validatingMicroformats Norman Walsh's blog post "Validating microformats"] for some valuable analysis and validation pseudo-code (prose description), which are useful steps towards building microformat validators.
* Submit definitions of "microformat", and individual examples, to the [http://foldoc.org Free On-line Dictionary of Computing], acording to [http://foldoc.org/editing.html the Free On-line Dictionary of Computing guidelines]
* it would be nice to replace the -in-the-wild pages with a form that accepted URL entries that would both register the site and look for valid microformatted content and for those pages with problems, would set them aside in a queue to be reviewed by the community. Having such an interface would likely be more efficient for implementors looking to have their work reviewed, and would also add to a ready-database of microformats in the wild -- which would be a great way to feed pingerati.com. [[User:Chris_Messina Chris Messina]] on 2007 Aug 31.
* check with the group and then, assuming this is accepted, remove mention of the profile="" attribute from the wiki, since HTML5 removes the need for profiles to be declared

=== hCard ===
* microformatted versions of conference pages
** Wait for confirmation from O'Reilly webmaster on revision of the [http://conferences.oreillynet.com/etel2006/ ETel] [http://conferences.oreillynet.com/pub/w/44/speakers.html speaker's page] with all the speakers marked up with [[hcard|hCard]] and links to "Add hCards to Address Book" etc., similar to the [http://tantek.com/microformats/2005/web2/speakers.html Web 2.0 speakers page which Tantek did a revision of last fall].
* vcard to hcard converter
** would be nice to have a web upload UI that would take one or more vCards from apple's address book and give them back to you as hCards
** [[User:RobertBachmann | RobertBachmann]] suggests starting points:
*** For Ruby: http://vpim.rubyforge.org/
*** For C: http://freshmeat.net/projects/libvc/
*** For Python: http://www.nongnu.org/python-pdi/
*** For PHP: http://pear.php.net/package/Contact_Vcard_Parse/
** I (Andy Pemberton) started working on this at one point, but haven't touched it in a while: [http://www.andypemberton.com/sandbox/hcardconvert/ vCard-2-hCard]
* add export support for microformats to [http://www.turingart.com/abForWeb_lan__en.htm AB to Web]
* A mash-up with google maps that will take any url with a hcard (or hcard's) and map the location(s) on a map (similar to [http://austin.adactio.com/ austin.adactio.com])
* more test cases - add to [[hcard-examples]] to begin with, then hopefully create test cases for development to be checked in with mercurial to the repository
** include class="type" without explicit value test cases, based on [[hcard#type_with_unspecified_value|hCard type with unspecified value]].

=== hCalendar ===
==== Add support to open source calendar projects ====
These are open source projects that could be potentially enhanced to support hCalendar.

* [http://www.k5n.us/webcalendar.php?topic=About WebCalendar]
* [http://phpicalendar.net/documentation/index.php?title=Main_Page PHP iCalendar]
* [http://www.vcalendar.org VCalendar]
* Investigation: [http://wiki.mozilla.org/Calendar_Talk:Lightning#hCalendar_publish_and_subscribe_support Mozilla Calendar / Lightning / Sunbird hCalendar support discussion]

=== hReview ===
* [[hreview|hReview]] support in Ecto (hey Adriaan!), requested by Andy Smith
* an [[hreview|hReview]] validator.
* a semantic, clean css star rating picker (e.g. a UI widget to rate from 1-5 stars)
** both [http://komodomedia.com/blog/index.php/2005/08/24/creating-a-star-rater-using-css/ this] and [http://factorycity.net/demos/drupal/rating/default.html this] have some flaws. Ask [[User:RyanKing|Ryan King]] for an explanation.

=== hCalendar/hCard/hReview editor ===
* onblur in the URL field (e.g. on hCalendar), goes out and tries to retrieve an object of same time (e.g. an hCalendar vevent) from that URL and uses it to autofill the form, same thing if the creator is loaded with that URL prefilled (e.g. due to a ?url=http://example.com/ in the URL that loads the creator).

=== hAtom ===
* [[hatom-issues]] needs sections for closed issues, resolved issues, and open issues sorted by year, similar to [[hcard-issues]].

=== WordPress patches for microformats ===
* submit patches for WordPress code/templates for microformats improvement
** <address class="vcard"> improvement in post author publication (e.g. home page of http://microformats.org/ )
* Wordpress plugin for microformats, specifically hReview and hCalendar
** See [http://www.surfarama.com/index.php?p=227 lazyweb request]

=== Yahoo Open Source Library Patches ===
Several of these could very much be improved with a little microformats markup. Do we just make patches and submit them? Contact Nate Koechley at Yahoo (see Tantek for contact info) to follow-up.

* [http://developer.yahoo.net/yui/ Yahoo! User Interface Library]
* [http://developer.yahoo.net/ypatterns/ Yahoo! Design Patterns Library]
* [http://www.yuiblog.com Yahoo! User Interface Blog]

=== Drupal patches for microformats ===
* [http://groups.drupal.org/microformats-in-drupal Microformat Module for Drupal] A group discussing ways to implement microformats in Drupal. Currently looking to support hAtom, hCard and hCalendar to start with. Contact digitalspaghetti at gmail dot com if you are interested in contributing to the project.

=== Adding Microformats to Existing Pages ===
* See [[advocacy#Adding_Microformats_to_Existing_Sites|advocacy: Adding microformats to existing sites]].

===rel-tagging on Wikipedia===
Somebody familiar with the "rel-tag" microformat might want to add details, and a link to the relevant page on this Wiki, to the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tag_%28metadata%29 Wikipedia page on tagging]. [[User:AndyMabbett|Andy Mabbett]] 14:07, 3 Jan 2007 (PST)

===Glossary===
Add to the [[glossary]].

===hAtom tutorial===
Finish the [[hatom-tutorial]].

=== wiki gardening ===
* Find [[:Special:Lonelypages|orphaned]] pages, and add links to them.
* Use [[templates]] for boilerplate text and repeated lists of links
* Add keywords to the foot of pages (see [[vcard-suggestions]] for examples), so that they can be converted to tags, once this wiki allows the use of "rel" attributes. Keywords can also include synonyms to aid searching.

====Spelling====
Per [[how-to-play]]: for English-language pages only: Find British spellings of common words and replace them with the US spellings per [[en-US]]. Mark such edits as "minor" with the comment: <nowiki>[[en-US]]</nowiki>. Please be careful to use and maintain proper native spelling of proper nouns (see [[how-to-play]] for details).

Here is a table of searches for some of the British-English spellings that have crept into English-language microformats wiki pages, along with their respective US-English spellings. If you find other British spellings, please feel free to add them to this table, with their US equivalent.

{| border="1"
|+
! [[en-GB]] !! [[en-US]]
|-
| [http://microformats.org/wiki/Special:Search?search=behaviour&go=Go behaviour] || behavior
|-
| [http://microformats.org/wiki/Special:Search?search=behaviours&go=Go behaviours] || behaviors
|-
| [http://microformats.org/wiki/Special:Search?search=centre&go=Go centre] || center
|-
| [http://microformats.org/wiki/Special:Search?search=colour&go=Go colour] || color
|-
| [http://microformats.org/wiki/Special:Search?search=colours&go=Go colours] || colors
|-
| [http://microformats.org/wiki/Special:Search?search=favour&go=Go favour] || favor
|-
| [http://microformats.org/wiki/Special:Search?search=flavour&go=Go flavour] || flavor
|-
| [http://microformats.org/wiki/Special:Search?search=flavours&go=Go flavours] || flavors
|-
| [http://microformats.org/wiki/Special:Search?search=flavoured&go=Go flavoured] || flavored
|-
| [http://microformats.org/wiki/Special:Search?search=recognise&go=Go recognise] || recognize
|-
| [http://microformats.org/wiki/Special:Search?search=recognised&go=Go recognised] || recognized
|-
|}

[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_and_British_English_spelling_differences More American and British English spelling differences]

recognised

== Admins ==
This section is for any admins to keep track of current to-do items for admins and/or for folks to suggest to-do items for admins, in particular, having to do with suggestions for improvements to microformats.org infrastructure such as the wiki. If you do add an item to this list, please sign your username with four tildes: <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>.

=== Website Improvements ===
* OpenID login, on behalf of a request a while ago from [[User:Chris_Messina]] (especially for comments in WordPress). [[User:Chris_Messina]] 16:50, 31 Aug 2007 (PDT)
** The plug-in is installed, but the user experience of exposing it to commenting visitors is poor. There's no other registration function, so it's not being pushed for the time being.
* Pibb integration for the #microformats IRC channel. It is relatively simple to [http://janrain.com/blog/2007/08/08/how-to-embed-pibb/ embed the Pibb chat widget] into a webpage that bridges to the #microformats IRC channel. This would allow for greater access and transparency to the IRC discussions as well as allow people to participate using only their web browser. [[User:Chris_Messina]] 16:50, 31 Aug 2007 (PDT)

=== Wiki improvements ===

* Set up a cron job to export the wiki database (without user details), and make it available in a public location.
* Add Extensions
** Evaluate against Wikipedia's [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Version Version Page] for a list of currently installed extensions on the English Wikipedia.
** I'd personally advise getting [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Cite Cite], [http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/ParserFunctions ParserFunctions] --[[User:JimboJW|JimboJW]] 13:38, 25 Sep 2007 (PDT) (Syntax Highlighting is done in Wiki 2.0)
** OpenID login, on behalf of a request a while ago from [[User:DanC]]. [[User:Tantek|Tantek]] 20:50, 20 Jul 2007 (PDT) (Planned for Wiki 2.0)
*** Regarding OpenID Log-in. Needs lightweight extension. Current extension turns the wiki into an OpenID *provider*. DO NOT WANT. Anyone want to write a simple OpenID login extension for MediaWiki?
**** You could always install the OpenID extension and then use Apache to block access to ''Special:OpenIDServer''.
** [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:HTML_Profiles HTML Profiles] - allows people editing the wiki to add URIs to <code><head profile></code> [[User:TobyInk|TobyInk]] 16:52, 9 March 2009 (UTC)
** [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Link_Attributes Link Attributes] - allows easy-ish setting of rel/rev/class attributes on links. [[User:TobyInk|TobyInk]] 16:52, 9 March 2009 (UTC)
* Install creation template extension(s)(see: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Inputbox or http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:CreateBox or http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:CreateArticle) [[User:RobManson]] 14:00, 20 Jul 2007 (AEST)
* add a class, <code>noprint</code> to the site's CSS, so that sections (such as "related pages" footers) can be made non- printing.
** ‘noprint’ isn't so semantic, but we should get a proper print stylesheet, for sure.
* Add admins sidebar (quick ban list access)
* Make the edit comment UI better — textarea, not single line box. (Dev Status: Might be impossible without hacking the core)
* New link styles for links to mailing list archive
* Allow <kbd>webcal://</kbd> and (other) x-protocols to be linkified
* Add proper styling to phrase elements
* Do something to allow easy copying of sample input (e.g. add ‘Copy’ UI, or abuse <code>input</code> element
* Fix MediaWiki to lowercase URLs — especially fragment identifiers generated from headings. Content ''should not'' be sub-optimally edited according to the requirements of the CMS.
* Can we imply <code>entry-title</code> from <code>h1</code>?

===-Issues 2.0===

Issue tracking at microformats.org is poor. The wiki is difficult to track, resolutions get lost. A proper bug tracking system is desirable: However, the adminstration overhead of our current infrastructure is too high for volunteers. Questionable whether maintain another custom install of something is the direct we want to move in.

Aim is:

* Investigate possibility/santity of using Launchpad/Github/Google Code for spec issue tracking
* Wiki is excellent documentation tool. Terrible issue tracking tool.
* External services avoid large maintenance burden
* Could better handle this todo list
* Better handle issue resolutions
* Better handle issue discussions

====Considering====

=====Custom Install of Trac=====

* + Reliable
* + Well Established
* + Can customise to look like µf.org
* + Flexible milestones etc.
* + Hook into source repository of our choosing
* + OpenID support
* + Support whatever licensing we like
* - Administration overhead

Need to check permissions structures. Can the hCard editor have control over /hcard, but not over /haudio? Do we care?

=====Google Code=====

Chris Messina has ‘microformats’ on Google Code

* + Reliably Hosted, minimal admin overhead
* + Very flexible milestones/tagging
* + SVN repository for test cases, libraries
* - Can't be styled to µf.org
* - No OpenID
* - Ugly as sin
* - No Public Domain license support

=====Launchpad=====

Ben Ward has ‘microformats’ on Launchpad

* + BZR repository for test cases, libraries
* + Public Domain License Support
* - Not instantly intuitive
* - Seems better suited to software than specifications
* - Can't style like µf.org, but, quite pretty
* - No OpenID

=====Github=====

* + Git repository for test cases, libraries
* - Issue tracking is external (Lighthouse)
* - No OpenID

====Process====

* Evaluate options
** Consider integration points with µf.org
** Consider open standards a plus (OpenID)
** Consider effort in porting existing content
* Copy over issues from each wiki page as standalone bugs
* Ensure that each spec editor is added with suitable authorities to manage issues

===Deletions===
*Remove [http://microformats.org/wiki?title=Special:Whatlinkshere&target=delete pages awaiting deletion]

== Tantek ==
I'm keeping a few microformats related to-do items here both for my own convenience, and for folks looking to help out with small tasks. If so, just create a new section with your name, and and maybe copy the item there, and put your name next to the item in my list. We'll figure this out as we go along. Thanks, [http://tantek.com Tantek].

=== overall priority ordering ===
# Protect the community from threats (wiki damage, mailing list pain or noise), repair damage, add measures to reduce future damage
# Help publishers with established microformats: [[hcard|hCard]], [[xfn]], [[rel-tag]], [[hcalendar|hCalendar]], [[hreview|hReview]], [[xfolk|xFolk]]
# Help implementers with established microformats
# Iterate on existing established microformats, resolve issues/feedback etc.
# Wiki cleanup/gardening for existing established microformats
# Site usability of microformats.org top-down as an entry point
# Community dynamics, [[process]] and [[principles]] improvements to help guide new microformats developments
# Emerging in-demand microformats: [[hresume|hResume]], [[hlisting|hListing]], [[citation]], [[media-info]] using abovementioned process and principles improvements.
# New microformat requests
# Document microformats [[history]].
# Other

=== protect the community ===
* Analyze [[Special:Recentchanges]] and [http://microformats.org/discuss mailing-lists] and:
** add to [[mailing-lists]] and [[how-to-play]] policies/guidelines accordingly.
** redirect and resolve threads accordingly per guidelines
** privately email violaters kindly asking them to improve their behavior
** work with admins on next steps for individuals negatively impacting the community
** recognize noisy/distracting threads on the email list, document responses/answers to such subjects on the appropriate page(s) on the wiki, and reply to those threads with the URLs to the documentation on the wiki. Putting the responses/answers on the wiki helps by hopefully providing preemptive answers to some who might reraise the subjects on the list in the future, and helps the community quickly terminate such threads by using the answers on the wiki.
** move exploratory discussions which are failing to follow the process to a separate page from that
** repair damage done to the wiki
*** identify damage done to the wiki - often in forms as simple as content changes that hurt usability (and thus accessibility)
*** document additional [[how-to-play]] guidelines to discourage and hopefully reduce such wiki damaging behavior in the future
*** repair/undo/reorganize page section division that hurt usability (and thus accessibility)
**** [[hcalendar-examples-in-wild]]
***** afterwards add some of the excellent conference schedule calendars that [[User:Adactio]] has been creating like:
****** http://adactio.com/extras/schedules/barcampbrighton3/
*** repair/undo/reorganize page splitting that hurt usability (and thus accessibility)
**** [[to-do]]

=== help publishers ===
==== solve problems blocking publishers ====
* [[value-class-pattern]]

===== minor update current specifications =====
* think about solving enumerated type issue (in [[hcard-issues]])
* draft hCard 1.0.1: [[hcard|hCard spec]] '''next-actions''':
** resolve remaining [[hcard-issues|hCard issues]]
** incorporate all [[hcard-feedback]].
** continue updating the spec per the inline comment about property references
** add a brief descriptive sentence for each property, similar to what [[hreview|hReview]] has. just enough so that the casual reader can avoid having to reference and read the respective sections in [[RFC2426]].
** iterate [[hcard-parsing]] with [[value-class-pattern]] as a required feature
** iterate [[hcard-parsing]] with sufficient table element special handling to do people equivalent of [http://microformats.org/wiki/hcalendar- brainstorming#Tabular_event_calendars]
** [[hcard-brainstorming]] '''next-actions''': determine which brainstorms proposals to resolve for minor revision, and which later
** Update [[semantic-xhtml]] with lists of semantic [http://www.w3.org/TR/html401/index/elements.html elements] and [http://www.w3.org/TR/html401/index/attributes.html attributes].
** Update [[hcard-brainstorming]] on element specific parsing rules
** Update X2V, hKit, Operator accordingly
** Write test cases accordingly
** Update [[hcard-parsing]] accordingly
* draft hCalendar 1.0.1: [[hcalendar|hCalendar spec]] '''next-actions''':
** resolve all outstanding [[hcalendar-issues]] to-do items.
** itemize a complete property list similar to the [[hcard#Property_List|hCard property list]], drawing upon hCalendar experience, iCal-BASIC draft(s), ietf-calsify mailing list and other sources to derive the precise list. Separate common properties up front.
** formally document [http://microformats.org/wiki/hcalendar- brainstorming#Tabular_event_calendars]
** Draft [[hcalendar-parsing]] with [[value-class-pattern]] as a required feature
** [[hcalendar-examples]]
*** make sure all hCalendar examples that reference whole days use best international/accessible date format of YYYY-MM-DD
*** add explicit explanation and examples for LOCATION [[hcard|hCards]] and ATTENDEE [[hcard|hCards]], perhaps on a separate [[hcalendar-examples]] page.
** Write [[compound-parsing]] by abstracting commonalities between [[hcard-parsing]] and [[hcalendar-parsing]].
* draft hReview 0.4
* resolve hAtom issues
* co-edit hAtom per permission from David Janes
* draft [[hAtom]] 0.2
** Clarify that "published" property values may omit seconds, and that converters to Atom are expected to imply ":00" seconds.
* add sections for comments/opinion from community as well as issues subsection
* solicit feedback
* when sufficient consensus and issue resolution achieved, archive previous versions of specs, and update spec pages accordingly.

==== social network portability ====
Iterate on:
* [[social-network-portability]]
* [[hcard-supporting-user-profiles]]
* [[hcard-xfn-supporting-friends-lists]]

Brainstorm updates to the [[pocket-cheat-sheet]] to better enable [[social-network-portability]], or perhaps design a new '''social network portability pocket cheat sheet''' that specifically documents:
* how to author/publish hCard user profiles - write this up in [[hcard-authoring]] first (see below) and then use that content.
* how to author/publish hCard+XFN friends lists - write this up in [[hcard-xfn-authoring]] (see below) and then use that content.
* how to parse/subscribe to hCard user profiles - write this up by updating: [[hcard-parsing]], and writing [[hcard-supporting-user-profile-parsing]] (collect this into parsing/developers tasks below)
* how to parse/subscribe to hCard+XFN friends lists - write this up by writing: [[xfn-parsing]], [[hcard-xfn-supporting-friends-list-parsing]] (collect these into parsing/developers tasks below)
** notes/thoughts on hCard+XFN supporting friends list parsing captured here for now:
*** do a full rel="me" bidirectional crawling within the domain - some sites' hCard supporting user profiles simply link to their hCard+XFN supporting friends lists with rel="me", and thus you will discover more pages with friends lists.
**** E.g. Flickr's /people/username pages have hCard for the user and link to their /people/username/contacts page with rel="me" (on the "More..." link, though they could also add rel="me" to the number inside "Your contacts (592)"). Need to get them to support hCard+XFN on the contacts themselves.
*** consider parsing within a friends list page, any links that are rel="next" and rel="prev" to iterate over the whole list.

==== foldup cheatsheet ====
'''next actions''':
* gather feedback on current foldup [[pocket-cheat-sheet|pocket cheatsheet]]
* document the [[pocket-cheat-sheet-feedback|feedback on the pocket cheatsheet]]
* provide printing recommendations for anyone to download and print their own
** Perhaps [http://www.visibone.com/ Visibone] can be of some use? I can recommend their current products. --[[User:Gazza|Gazza]] 06:41, 7 Apr 2007 (PDT)
* update cheatsheet to include new [[value-class-pattern]] uses
* give feedback to Erin or ask for volunteers to create a new cheatsheet, iterate, print more to have on hand, fold, distribute.
* discuss with [[User:Adactio]] and Hannah how to best create a UK/A4 version of the pocket cheatsheet
** preferably well in advance of dConstruct 2008 so that local cheatsheets can be printed.

==== *-authoring microformats wiki pages ====
* [[hcard-authoring]] - '''next-actions''': add tips/instructions noted below.
** instructions for each property that is in [http://microformats.org/code/hcard/creator hCard creator] to begin with
** instructions for all other hCard properties
** a tutorial on creating an hCard for your site
*** specific instructions for common blogging platforms
** reference [[hcard-examples]] for more specific uses, and add to them accordingly
*** add an extended example to [[hcard-examples#Authors_of_Pages_and_Posts|contact info for a page]] with postal address, phone numbers, email address.
* [[hcard-xfn-authoring]] - '''next-action''': draft by starting from hCard+XFN instructions in [[hcard-examples]].
* [[hreview-authoring]] - '''next-action''': create a first draft minimal tutorial on how to author hReviews (e.g. at least for common properties) to blog reviews so that they'll be aggregated.
* [[hcalendar-authoring]] - '''next-action''': add tips/instructions for each property that is in [http://microformats.org/code/hcalendar/creator hCalendar creator].
* *-authoring for other reasonably well established microformats:
** [[xfolk-authoring]], [[hatom-authoring]]

==== help with microformat examples in the wild ====
Using the above updated [[authoring]] pages, get the community to help go over all "common" pages (both logged out and logged in states) of the following sites which have some microformats already, and verify each page is as microformatted as it can be with high fidelity [[hcalendar|hCalendar]] and [[hcard|hCard]] etc. Document full support of each implementation's microformats on the implementations page (perhaps create a separate page for each implementation, e.g. [[flickr]], [[upcoming]], [[eventful]] etc.) Document any exceptions as needed. In no particular order:
* Flickr.com (3.5m hCards)
* Upcoming.org (100k hCalendar events, 100k hCard venues)
** home page
* Eventful.com (100k hCalendar events, 100k hCard venues)
* Yahoo! Tech (300k products with hReviews)
* JudysBook.com (???k hReviews)
* ... lots more, get from "Implementations" and "Examples in the Wild" sections of specs.

==== advocacy for obvious sites ====
* [[advocacy]] - add pages/sites that obviously (no pun intended) could use microformats, update them with sample markup, find contacts for those pages to get them updated, and send requests to update their sites with microformats including sample markup. '''next-actions''': markup both twitter.com sample pages and dodgeball.com sample pages, post the changes publicly, and see which one is able to update first ;)
** dodgeball.com (hCard + XFN + hAtom for profiles, hCard + hReview for venues)
** write essay on [[open-data-more-important-than-open-source]] - and a shorthand URL too.
*** obviously doing both is ideal, however, open data is a higher priority and given limited resources, open data should be implemented before open source.
*** open data > open source
*** "open information" vs "open source"
*** i.e. please focus first on open data rather than open source, e.g. start with [[hcard|hCards]] for all organizations returned from http://wiserearth.org/organization
*** if the data is open you can always export it and consume it in any number of open source systems
*** that's why open data is MUCH more important than open source
*** adding open data (e.g. microformats) can be done by any HTML author (yes, you), whereas open sourcing requires programming expertise, resouces, support. do the simpler easier thing first (open data thru microformats) that will benefit more people sooner.
*** if the data was open, anyone could rebuild an accessible version
*** faqs / misconceptions:
**** eschipul: @tantek - creating microformats is easier. consuming microformats is unfortunately not easier.
***** A: If you think consuming microformats is not easier or hard etc., it may just be that you don't know how to do so easily, don't assume that you are an expert in something that you think is hard. Rather, if you think something is hard, then assume others may know easier methods, and ''ask'' the community how one can do it more easily. parsing in particular is something which is becoming easier and easier thanks to open source libraries like [[hkit|hKit]].
** write essay on [[open-data-more-important-than-open-apis]] - and a shorthand URL too
*** obviously doing both is ideal, however, open data is a higher priority and given limited resources, open data should be implemented before open APIs.
*** publishing/providing open data (e.g. microformats) can be done by any HTML author (yes, you), whereas providing/publishing open APIs requires programming expertise, resouces, and support. do the simpler easier thing first (open data thru microformats) that will benefit more people sooner.

=== help implementers ===
* wordpress improvements
** WP admin for new profiles
*** should simply read blog URL - '''next-action''': make sure a bug/feature request is filed with wordpress.org
*** look for hCards and parse them

* [http://gmpg.org/xfn/creator XFN Creator] localizations
** Get someone to verify the [http://gmpg.org/xfn/creator-ru XFN Creator Russian localization].
** Add it to the [http://gmpg.org/xfn/tools XFN Tools] page.
** Add rel="alternate" href="creator-ru" <link>s to the other XFN Creators.

* Conference Schedule Creator
** '''next-actions''': Review Dmitry Baranovskiy's [http://dmitry.baranovskiy.com/work/csc/ Conference Schedule Creator] and give him feedback per how well it:
*** Makes it *trivial* for conference organizers to build/edit/publish an [[hcalendar|hCalendar]] schedule for their conference, including auto-generated "Subscribe..." link which produces the proper "webcal:..." link with X2V. Note: see the "axis" and "header" attributes in HTML4, specifically in the section on Tables.

=== iterate on current microformats ===
==== in general ====
===== plain language intros =====
For [[hcard|hCard]], [[hcalendar|hCalendar]], [[hreview|hReview]], [[xoxo|XOXO]] to start with, write up:
* brief plain-language intro at the top (say for example, something that a non-technical person like a member of the general media/press could read and understand), similar to or better than plain language intros on W3C specs.
* followed by links to more plain-language resources, e.g. *-intro pages.
In particular for [[xoxo|XOXO]], Angus McIntyre suggested:
* As well as a syntactic example, examples of use would be useful.
* when I might want to use XOXO.
* Some simple examples right upfront would probably do a lot to help users figure out whether a particular microformat is for them or not.
These suggestions could be incorporated into the other specs as well.
===== exploratory discussions =====
* update [[exploratory-discussions]] with critical microformats as "active"
===== CSS enhancements for =====
Analyze existing microformats for opportunities to enhance CSS and propose to W3C.
* e.g. CSS datetime presentation (need to add links to my earlier work in CSS working group)
* brainstorm additional possibilities for better presentation of content using existing microformats.
===== update affiliations =====
* Start a minimal draft/spec style guide using outline of most readable/accessible spec so far
* Reference http://www.w3.org/2001/06/manual/#Editors for how to manage affiliations
* Update affiliations on [[hcard]], [[hcalendar]], [[hreview]], etc. per http://www.w3.org/2001/06/manual/#Editors
===== profile URLs =====
* write-up and document [[profile-uris|profile URLs]] for all established microformats and perhaps for some drafts as well

==== [[hcard|hCard]] ====
Combined next-actions for iteration on [[hcard|hCard]], and derived/subsetted microformats [[adr]] and [[geo]]
* [[hcard-profile]] '''next-actions''':
** update property definitions with more detail using semantics from [[RFC2426]]
** link from brief sentence descriptions for each property in [[hCard]] to the respective more detailed definition in the [[hcard-profile]].
** link from definitions in the [[hcard-profile]] to the specific sections in the vCard spec
* [[hcard-examples]] '''next-actions''': update with examples described below
** add examples of [[hcard|hCard]]s with work telephone, mailing address etc.
** add examples of marking up an organization vs. a person, then link to it from [http://microformats.org/wiki/hcard#Organization_Contact_Info hCard spec section on Organization Contact Info].
** add example of organization-name and organization-unit usage.
* [[hcard-brainstorming]] '''next-actions''': explore brainstorms proposals for a 1.1 revision, e.g.
** need property for gender (see [[hcard-faq#How_is_gender_represented|proposal in hCard FAQ]] and discussion in [[hcard-issues]]) - use tags for now, add to hCard creator
** solve [[hcard-brainstorming#Auto-Discovery|autodiscovery]] of more canonical/thorough hCard
* [[hcard-examples-in-wild]]
** help dglazkov markup: http://glazkov.com/blog/archive/2003/12/17/147.aspx

* analyze [[hcard-cheatsheet]], [[adr-cheatsheet]], [[geo-cheatsheet]] for any assertions above and beyond what the specification itself says, take into account [[hcard-brainstorming]] along similar lines, and incorporate into the spec or remove as necessary and sync-up as a result. add clarification on the cheatsheets that they are '''informative''' and reference the specification for normative requirements.

==== [[hcalendar|hCalendar]] ====
'''Next-actions''':
* update [[hcalendar-examples]]
** add examples like [[hcard-examples]]
** flesh out and do a once over on markup/presentation of what RFC2445 examples would look like
* need spec details and then [[hcalendar-examples]] of multi-instance [[hcalendar|hCalendar]] events
* need spec details and then [[hcalendar-examples]] of repeating events
* create [[hcalendar-profile]] and have folks verify it. Note that it will likely need reconciliation with the [[hcard-profile]], especially since [[hcalendar|hCalendar]] normatively depends on [[hcard|hCard]]. Probably makes sense to have a combined profile which hCalendar would use.
* analyze [[hcalendar-cheatsheet]] for any assertions above and beyond what the specification itself says, take into account [[hcalendar-brainstorming]] along similar lines, and incorporate into the spec or remove as necessary and sync-up as a result. add clarification on the cheatsheets that they are '''informative''' and reference the specification for normative requirements.

==== [[hreview|hReview]] ====
'''Next-actions''':
* Write hReview 0.3 XMDP profile, and reconcile with [[hcalendar-profile]] and [[hcard-profile]]. Makes sense to have a combined profile of all three for hReview, since hReview normatively depends on hCard and hCalendar.
* Resolve all outstanding [[hreview-issues]] and [[hreview-feedback]] to-do items.

==== [[rel-tag]] ====
'''Next-actions''':
* Write [[rel-tag]] XMDP profile ([[rel-tag-profile]]) and send to [http://dbaron.org/ David Baron].
* Resolve all outstanding [[rel-tag-issues]] and [[rel-tag-feedback]] to-do items.

==== [[rel-me]] ====
'''Next-actions''':
* move XFN and XMDP FAQs, tutorial, descriptions, spec etc. from gmpg.org to microformats.org
** and put redirects in place, notes about contribution
* update rel-me examples and document with examples the rel-me implict subdir rule

==== [[hatom|hAtom]] ====
'''Next-actions''':

==== summary Examples in the Wild page ====
* need to create a summary / overall [[examples-in-the-wild]] page
** parallel the summary/overall [[implementations]] page.
** use newly reorganized content from the above "reoganizing Examples in the Wild" task

==== parsing ====
'''Next-actions''':
* Draft *-parsing for all reasonably well adopted microformats: [[hreview-parsing]], [[xfolk-parsing]], [[hatom-parsing]]

=== wiki cleanup ===
==== for all microformat specs ====
'''Next-actions''':
* modularize any specs which are > 30K in order to avoid loss/corruption like [http://microformats.org/wiki?title=Special:Contributions&target=Evan Evan's 14 June edits] to [[hcard|hCard]], [[rel-tag]], and [[xoxo|XOXO]].
** [[hcard|hCard]] -
*** [[hcard-examples-in-the-wild]] group/sort by individuals, organizations, and hosting sites. Consider moving largest subsection to its own page as well.
** [[rel-tag]]
** [[xoxo]]

==== update specification section organization ====
'''Next-action''': work with Ryan, Ernie, Erin, and others who have made concrete helpful suggestions for reorganizing the information architecture / content-order / layout of specs for greater approachability/readability by a broader audience, to design an interative update to spec organizations, in particular, the introduction/boilerplate/headers. See below notes on hResume experiment in progress.

[[hresume|hResume]] has an experimental abbreviated intro/headers section, and links to more details further below, based on some ideas that Ryan King and I had for improving the readability of the microformats specifications. [[hreview|hReview]] has some similar improvements, but different. We need to:
# Figure out if the new intro/headers structure in [[hresume|hResume]] and/or [[hreview|hReview]] is an improvement, and if it could be better. Perhaps figure out the requirements for an intro/header section
#* Shorter tends to be better
#* Must be comprehensive enough to "print and read"
#* Must detail authorship/editorship
#* Must detail copyright/patent statements
# Write up a template - make it self-documenting per the requirements
# Update existing specifications with the new intro/headers structure.
## [[hcard|hCard]]
## [[hcalendar|hCalendar]]
## [[hreview|hReview]]

==== reorganizing Implementations sections ====
* sort implementations by authoring/creating/publishing, browsing/viewing, converting/importing, indexing/searching.

Hmmm... I like: '''A'''uthoring, '''B'''rowsing, '''C'''onverting, '''I'''ndexing, '''L'''ibraries (for developers), and '''P'''otential (for open source projects we want to add support to). Anybody have alternative suggestions for this vocabulary? I don't have a particularly strong preference so I'm going to go with these four until I find examples that don't fit, or someone suggests something better.

See: [http://microformats.org/wiki/hcalendar#Implementations hCalendar Implementations] for a first attempt at this. Assuming folks like that, we can go ahead with categorizing the implementations sections of other microformats specifications.

'''Next-actions''':
* [[hcard-implementations]] - re-organize by same subsections as [[hcalendar-implementations]].
* [[hreview-implementations]] - re-organize by same subsections as [[hcalendar-implementations]].
* [[hatom-implementations]] - re-organize by same subsections as [[hcalendar-implementations]].
* [[xfolk-implementations]] - re-organize by same subsections as [[hcalendar-implementations]].

==== reorg Examples in the Wild sections ====
Work with community to:
* include more *key* details per example, e.g. precise or estimates of counts for services
* collate/sort examples in the wild by
** hosting services - where users/people actively contribute to the growth (e.g. Flickr profile hCards)
** publishing services - where lots of data is published from some datasource/database (e.g. Yahoo! Local)
** companies/groups/organizations member pages (and their own) - pages for a group's site where they list members or employees (e.g. Technorati staff page)
** individiual companies/organizations contact info pages
** individual people's contact info pages
* of course at some point this won't scale, but that will be a very good problem to have, and by then I'm sure we'll have services to point to that provide queries and search results for all this data.

=== site usability ===
* figure out how to get wordpress to autopost blog posts to the microformats-announce list
** ideally use the from address of the author of the blog post
** maybe photomatt knows how to do this.

=== introduction / community ===
* microformats-discuss *
** introductory email template for new subscribers needs to direct people to [[process]] and [[how-to-play]]
* Need to add more to the [[naming-principles]], to cover in particular:
** avoid using the same name to mean two things
** avoid using two names to mean the same thing
** seek to keep the microformats vocabulary minimal, memorable, and usable.
* update and add details/simplifications to [[process]] given the past several months of experience. in particular:
** clarify requirement (MUST rather than SHOULD) of *-examples, *-formats, before any *-brainstorming.
** Add details of encouragement to experiment with simple semantic class names from *-brainstorming proposals to gain real world experience with real world content.
** note SHOULD prerequisite of use of all relevant microformats on real world web pages, along with documenting such use in respective "Examples in the Wild" sections, before proposing any new microformats.

==== posh improvement ====
* Create a page to answer the question "[[how-should-i-markup]]"
* consider creating a process/encouragement for collecting individual [[posh]] practices and examples, like a folksonomy of semantic HTML and semantic class names.

==== principles and process ====
Create the following pages and document/fill them with content from other pages, email lists, and [[presentations]].
* [[principles]] - mostly [[microformats#the_microformats_principles|documented in the microformats]] page.
* clearer statement of both copyright and patents both in specific specs and in general
* resolve [[process-issues]]

==== profiles ====
* update [[XMDP]] with new required features:
** ability for one profile to include/import another (rel="import" ?)
** ability to reference an XMDP via rel="profile" (similar to XHTML2 rel value by same name)
*** add rel="profile" to the [[xmdp-profile]].
** ability/suggestion to reference an XMDP using <a href> in addition to <link>

==== community mark ====
* Can we make "microformat" and "microformats" into [http://factoryjoe.com/blog/2006/01/14/the-case-for-community-marks/ Community Marks]?

==== document issue resolutions ====
* Prefixing has already been considered and rejected for microformats in general. Note [[naming-conventions]], limited vocabulary, and exceptions made for [[hatom|hAtom]] and how we went about doing so.

=== emerging microformats ===
* [[directions]]
* [[citation]]
* [[hlisting|hListing]]
* [[media-info]]
* [[licensing]]
'''Next-actions''' for each emerging microformat (one at a time)
* review all microformats-email on the new microformat
* determine where new microformats is "stuck" in the process
* brainstorm about how to improve process (or documentation thereof) to get the effort unstuck
* work with community to move the microformat forward through the process, iterating/clarifying the [[process]] as necessary

=== new microformat requests ===
* expense reports (really just a list of "expense" items), [http://flickr.com/photos/edyson/56774178/ requested by ED], should look at UBL as a pre-existing format
* photo-notes microformat
** clean up Subethaedit notes from working session with Greg Elin, Ryan King, Kevin Marks, Suw Charman and email to folks and figure out next steps
** iterate on [[photo-note-examples]] and start [[photo-note-formats]] and [[photo-note-brainstorming]].

=== document microformats history ===
Document microformats [[history]], including:
* dates and origins of microformats, names, terms
* examples and formats for established microformats like [[hcard|hCard]], [[hcalendar|hCalendar]], [[xfn]], [[rel-license]], [[xoxo]]

=== other ===
* Add XPath equivalents where appropriate in [[hcard-parsing]]

==Ryan==
=== wiki cleanup ===
* <s>possibly move dead proposals off of homepage?</s>

=== hCalendar/hCard/hReview creator improvements ===
* get all creators working in IE/Win, IE/Mac, Safari/OSX.3

=== other ===
* add an example of how to use DURATION in hcalendar see http://www.policyawareweb.org/2005/ftf2/paw-mtg#item15) -> verify http://svn.lifelint.com/hcalendar_tests/calendar-todo-multiple-attendees-and-alarm.xml

=== rel-payment ===
* update rel-payment to reference the IANA registry [http://www1.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/ietf-announce/current/msg02055.html]

=== hcalendar ===
* make sure we explicitly disallow 'vjournal'

== Dimitri Glazkov ==

* Figure out REST/Microformats thing
* Work on result set idea
* Implement h-creators using Web Forms 2.0

== Chris Messina ==

=== General ===

* Work on a microformat for play-lists (is it just a XOXO ordererd list of play-items?)
* Work on a microformat for play-item (take a look at [[media-info-examples]])
* Work on microformats tutorial for designers
* Add support for OpenID to micformats wiki
* <strike>Add support for [http://verselogic.net/projects/wordpress/wordpress-openid-plugin/ OpenID] to the microformats blog</strike>.
* <strike>Read GTD (at least the first two chapters)</strike>.

=== Campaigns ===

* <strike>Get Blogger to support hAtom and hCard</strike>
* <strike>Get LinkedIn to support hCard, hResume, hCalendar</strike> and XFN
* Get XING to support <strike>hCard</strike>, hCalendar, hResume and XFN
* Get <strike>Digg to support microformats</strike> (still need XFN).

=== Wishlist ===

* Microformat for "buyable items" (see [[listing-examples]] and related documents)
* Location MF -- right click "map this" (see [[geo]] and [[adr]])
* Better hCard support in the browser -- right click "IM this person...", "Add to contacts" (see [http://factoryjoe.com/blog/2006/03/20/flocktails-for-flock/ Flocktails])
* Better hCal support -- support many views of same hCal data on one page using XSLT
* We need something that a designer/web programmer can come to and leave w/ 2 examples of each microformat that they can apply right away... a "microformats styleguide for designers", if you will.
* invoicing microformat
* better microformats wiki theme
* Define flow for OpenID + XFN + hcard (see [http://diso-project.org DiSo Project])

Hey Chris.
Congrats on Microsyntax
([http://factoryjoe.com/blog/2009/05/26/stowe-boyd-launches-microsyntax-org/ "Stowe Boyd launches Microsyntax.org"]).
So ... do we need a page on this Microformats wiki describing the connection between microformats and microsyntax?
When the Microsyntax wiki goes online, please add a link to it on the Microformats [[WikiNode]] page.
--[[User:DavidCary|DavidCary]] 08:34, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

== Robert Bachmann ==
[[User:RobertBachmann|Robert Bachmann]]

=== XSLTs ===
<ul>
<li>Test scripts
<ul>
<li>Do some refactoring, split Perl code into smaller modules</li>
<li>Provide test results as HTML pages (similar to http://www.w3.org/2003/08/owl-systems/test-results-out)</li>
<li>Provide some documentation for using the test scripts</li>
</ul>
</li>
<li>hAtom2Atom
<ul>
<li>
Join all hfeed's inside a page (or a fragment thereof) into one feed using [http://greenbytes.de/tech/webdav/rfc4287.html#element.source atom:source] semantics.
</li>
<li>
Extraction of <code>atom:content</code>, <code>atom:summary</code> and <code>atom:title</code>:
* <code>atom:content</code> and <code>atom:summary</code> as HTML
* <code>atom:content</code> and <code>atom:summary</code> as plain-text
* <code>atom:title</code> as XHTML
* <code>atom:title</code> as HTML
</li>
<li>Support for other XSLT engines:
* .Net System.Xml
* hAtom2Atom written using XSL 2.0?
** Do you think this would be useful? I have created a barebones version, doesn't yet take in all the parsing rules yet, but I'd be happy to share. Moving to XSL 2.0 does make things a bit cleaner and more efficient. - Matt Dertinger.
</li>
<li>Support for other output formats: (hAtom2xyz.xsl)
* RSS 2.0 (meanwhile use hAtom2Atom.xsl and [http://atom.geekhood.net/ atom2rss.xsl]) -- +1 Matt Dertinger
* RSS 1.0 (meanwhile use hAtom2Atom.xsl and [http://cvs.4suite.org/viewcvs/uogbuji/atom2rss.xslt atom2rss.xslt]) -- +1 Matt Dertinger
** My opinion at the moment, I neither want to produce nor to consume RSS. Atom is nicer (and should be supported by most good feed readers available today), RSS should fade away. -- Robert Bachmann
* AtomOWL (meanwhile use hAtom2Atom.xsl and [http://dannyayers.com/2005/11/22/atomowl-xslt-progress/ atom2rdfxml.xsl])-- +1 Matt Dertinger
** Having the possibility of GRDDL-ing hAtom to AtomOWL seems definitly interessting. I realy should implement this some day. - Robert Bachmann
* JSON?
** Does it make sense to consider a canonical representation of microformats (either case by case, or in general) in JSON? E.g. so that a JSON API that returned contact information could return an hCard-equivalent chunk of JSON. - Tantek.
*** This could enable some nice JavaScript hacks. I should give hAtom2JSON a try. - Robert Bachmann
</li>
</ul>

([[User:Singpolyma|singpolyma]] 01:02, 9 May 2006 (PDT) -- Not XSLT, but see http://xoxotools.ning.com/hatom2rss.php for hatom to RSS2.0 conversion)
</li>
</ul>

== Brian Suda ==
=== Citation Microformats ===
* Add all my notes to the Wiki
* Start the process of naming the properties using existing names

=== X2V ===
Make changes and update site (almost stable)
Get ATTENDEE and other strange attributes working
==== WARNINGS and ERROR ====
work on the warnings and error output for the pre-check in X2V

=== FAQ ===
* clean-up the MF FAQs
* clean-up FAQs from the major microformats
* pull Questions from the mailing list and document them to the FAQs and example

=== Microformats History ===
* get early work from developer.technorati site
** issues with MoinMoin full history: http://moinmoin.wikiwikiweb.de/MoinMoinQuestions/UsingTheWiki#head-9d1b1d6beedde40b92cc6c13962b5a6f5b289d10

=== additions to the wiki ===

* better explain why NOT infinitely scaling is a good thing
* better explain why microformats do NOT use namespacing

== Mark Rickerby ==

=== Current Tasks ===

* Follow up on usability review
** Edits to homepage feature box text
** Draft of [[getting-started]] page
* Review content for new pages - [[start-simple]], [[modularity]], [[reuse]], [[humans-first]]
* xoxo datatype examples
** test case lists
** transmitting key/value lists
* practical feedback on hresume

=== Wishlist ===

* hmmm

== Ernest Prabhakar ==
=== Wiki-Thon Proposal ===
Set aside several hours (probably a Friday night US PST) for focused work on the Wiki, including both physical (e.g., a room in the Bay Area) and virtual (IRC/iChat) participants.

==== Goals ====
# Improve understanding of what needs to be done for Wiki
#* IMHO - this should be done here, in [[to-do]] incrementally. -Tantek
# Tackle larger projects (~1-2 hours) than people usually have time for
#* I'd like to see these projects *documented* first on [[to-do]] before we spend 1-2 hours of a bunch of folk's collective time to go through them. -Tantek
# Motivate community to have fun with otherwise tedious "housecleaning" chores

==== Agenda (Wishlist) ====
In parallel:
* Coalesce/prioritize existing To-Do items (above)
* Review/revise desired pathways for:
** New users learning about microformats
*** e.g., intro, about, explore, tutorials, etc.
*** cf. [http://www.rubyonrails.com/ Rails] front page
****Get Excited (Why, background, motivation)
****Get Started (What, downloads, getting started)
****Get Better (How, tutorials, )
****Get Involved (Who)
** Microformat lifecycle
*** e.g., research->brainstorm->proposal->spec->maintain
*** see http://theryanking.com/microformats/method.txt --[[User:RyanKing|RyanKing]] 15:35, 22 Feb 2006 (PST)
*** ensure information easy to find, follow, and up-to-date
* Review existing specs for completeness and consistency
* Identify areas of 'bitrot' or 'hole-filling'
* Do it!

== Dan Connolly ==

[[User:DanC|DanC]] hopes to sync up on these tasks in [[irc]] roughly
weekly, during Wednesday afternoon (Chicago time) "office hours". See also my [http://esw.w3.org/topic/DanConnolly esw todo list and someday pile].

* from SxSW in Austin
** build a combined hcalendar/hcard profile; resolve issues in [[profile-uris]].
*** with XSLT transformation to RDF
** finish [[hcard-tests]]
*** figure out [[include-pattern]] boundaries

* Medium term
** sync [[hcalendar-tests]] and [http://www.w3.org/2002/12/cal/ RDF calendar] tests and CALSIFY
*** reconsider RDF calendar naming conventions
** update my CV/resume using [[hResume]] and [[citation-formats]]
*** get an answer from the CALSIFY WG re [http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-rdf-calendar/2006Apr/0006.html dtstart and date vs datetime ] 21 Apr 2006
*** refine [[hatom]] so that it's suitable for the workflow around the W3C homepage.

* from WWW2006
** follow up on GRDDL as escape valve for microformats proposals, much like CSS was an escape valve for HTML tag proposals.

* Someday pile
** set up a timezone registry based on wikipedia and semantic mediawiki. As discussed in [[datetime-design-pattern]], iCalendar's by-value timezone passing is broken. see [http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-rdf-calendar/2006Apr/0002.html reconsidering timezones in light of hCalendar and CALSIFY] and [http://dig.csail.mit.edu/breadcrumbs/node/91 Toward Semantic Web data from Wikipedia]
** noodle on a playlist format and some of the media RSS stuff like [[media-info-brainstorming]], [[media-metadata-examples]] (re playlists: XSPF, SMIL, RDF, and microformats 9 Sep 2005)
** check out that hReview bug stuff...
** noodle on [[meeting-minutes-brainstorming]] and [http://esw.w3.org/topic/MeetingRecords MeetingRecords in the esw wiki].
** noodle on clipboard scenarios, esp how RDFa works in the general case but isn't as author-friendly as domain-specific syntaxes.

[[User:DanC|DanC]] 15:39, 31 May 2006 (PDT)

== Chris Casciano ==

[[User:ChrisCasciano|ChrisCasciano]]

* get around to updating [[hatom-issues]] with some multi feed rules/exceptions.
* <del>Update textpattern plugin with simple hreview support and get a new release out</del>
* Redesign placenamehere.com and include hatom
* Follow up with technorati folks on pingerati reviews getting lost (note: this will require publishing more reviews and theen watching them through the update process)
* <del>prototype a NetNewsWire microformat extractor (CSS+AppleScript)</del>

== Drew McLellan ==

[[User:DrewMcLellan|DrewMcLellan]]

* Build an hReview profile for [http://allinthehead.com/hkit/ hKit] and test
* Update the [http://www.webstandards.org/action/dwtf/microformats/ Dreamweaver extensions] to mirror recent changes in the online builders
* <del>Publish an hCard to JSON service on [http://tools.microformatic.com/ tools.microformatic.com] using hKit.</del>
* Further develop blog comment form hCard collection ideas.
* Version of hReview creator using hKit to import business details from an hCard

== Christophe Ducamp (french localization) ==

[[Christophe Ducamp]]
* seed "microformateurs group" and invite them to update http://microformateurs.org
** write a process for newbies in order to make them write [[posh-fr|CHIC]] posts on a public blog-governed-by-wiki ([http://socialsynergyweb.net/cgi-bin/wiki/MicroFormateurs/Blog]) before publication.
** find experts for peer-reviewing
** find french CSS gurus to setup a nice Sandbox-CSS template on Wordpress
* translating the wiki
** translate red links on [[Main_Page-fr]] and synchronize
** find out microformateurs at ease on "the-wiki-way-translation", and ready to help on semi-anonymous-synchro
* community-marketing -> pinko-marketing
** public-relations towards french journalists and complete [[advocacy-fr|advocacy]] (especially [[hcard-advocacy-fr]] towards organizations.
** help to build events, workshops like barcamps and explorcamps
** update [http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microformats French-wikipedia:Microformats] and subpages via cowriting [http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discuter:Microformats on discussion page] (directly originated from the english article) + french examples to be found + local resources.
** open discussion with french wikipediens about implementing some of the english existing templates
** small gifts: accessories and free gifts ? t-shirts, localized cheat-sheet, id-hcard-openid-providing, etc.
*** create hCard, hCalendar... and all red link pages on french wikipedia
* localize [[species-fr]] and related pages
* move all contents remaining on elanceur.org -> microformateurs.org
* wiki and uf:
** write and talk with "aboutus.org" to invite them to make experiences with uf -> talk with Mark Dilley
** maintain/update http://www.communitywiki.org/MicroFormats and talk with LionKimbro
** XWiki : awaiting beta-test of new platform
*** Follow-up LudovicDubost et LaurentLunati
* setup real-life links with european [[governance-fr|governance]] members ;) may be joining dconstruct-microformats-workshop - find solution (registering fees and travel expenses -> talk with Arnaud Fontaine or search french sponsors)

== Frances Berriman ==

[[User:Phae|Frances Berriman]]

* Work on styles for [[zen-garden]] project.
* Style HTML cheatsheet to match Brian Suda's PDF.
* Write simplified help/implementation documents (how tos) for all finalised Microformats.
* Re-organise general FAQ and simplify
** (Feel free to add suggested tasks to my list below:)
*** Help converge on organization efforts ~bewest :-)

== Ben West (bewest) ==

[[User:BenWest|bewest]]
* fight spam
* help tend wiki
* documentation of semantic authoring techniques
* researching the social problems relating to authorship and publishing on the web
* development of new microformats in response to failing to meet the needs of the second with the first.

=== Expore Microformat Deployment Issues ===
How does who determine the status of work going through some stage of the process? When does a format move from draft to "full spec"? Who decides? What are the qualitative and quantitative features that characterize work in different stages, especially as a spec nears deployment as "full spec". What makes this pronouncement more than a mythical blessing? What quantitative analyses can be provided to validate deployment? Today, we have powerful agents capable of processing huge amounts of information on the web. Should we be using these to measure published marketshare? What role should tools and test suites play in deploying microformats?

=== Vocabulary ===
A lot of knowledge work is about maintaining sets of vocabulary. Now that the vocabulary is emerging, it may be time start making sure everyone is "on the same page," especially since some of the language is highly symbolic.
Terms:
* "boil the ocean" A huge task. "A phrase used in the industry to describe an attempt at something that is way too ambitious. For example, "They're trying to get their site launched by COMDEX. They could easier boil the ocean." from <http://www.netlingo.com/right.cfm?term=boil%20the%20ocean>
* microformats: more than one microformat
* microformat: see my definition on http://microformats.org/wiki/what-are-microformats#BenWest
* data fidelity: the extent to which a data format might be considered lossy. eg HTML is often seen as a lossy format because the information parsed out of a resource may not fully match the information orginally encoded. Non-lossy formats have a very high data fidelity, while lossy formats have low data fidelity. Microformats seek to increase data fidelity of html.
* market: the locus of economic forces

: See [[glossary]]. [[User:AndyMabbett|Andy Mabbett]] 13:57, 7 Dec 2006 (PST)

=== Creators ===
_Concession_: my plans involve reuse of code, which would involve non-compatible changes with the current inline model. This is a nice feature, so maybe I should be branching instead.
* <strike>Start hatom creator.</strike> http://dichotomize.com/uf/hatom/creator.html
* Code Reuse. These creators are downright handy, and I’ve reimplemented the vcard one on my own site. Instead, let’s make these widgetized. Let’s decide on a more or less canonical html structure and create some javascript that will create the desired microformat. Something as easy to use as new Microformat.hCard($('mycontainer')); would be awesome. Right now, if someone makes an improvement to the hCard creator, the other creators don’t get the benefit. Spec this out!
* About Section. Is there an official creator page? If so, let’s point to that. The about paragraph is getting longer and longer with phrases like “which is based on…” repeated over and over.
* Default all dates to “right now”. Provide an easy to use calendar type widget to change dates.
* hAtom creator: Add multiple. It’d be nice to add an arbitrary number of entries.
* hAtom creator: Optional feed enclosure. Check box to wrap the entry/entries in an hfeed.
* Edit URI: Allow someone to enter a URI and edit whatever microformat is found on the page.
* Optionals. If the format requires, say, a vcard, the creator can defer to an external URI or can trust the user to fill it in later.
* Common stylesheet. I suppose this goes with the reuseable code idea… we have many great coders, we should be reusing eachothers’ work.
* Use Amazon's ECS to pull in information about products when there is an ASIN in the item URI.

=== Information Architecture ===
'''Help Welcomed! Please leave your name'''
Add complaints to [[wiki-feedback]]!
Helping to make the wiki easier to use. I'd like to see the main page more towards a format like http://simile.mit.edu/solvent/ with the big questions right out front:
* What Is This?
* What can I do here?
* Is there a demo?
* Where can I learn more?
I'd like to change the front page to this kind of design.
==== Support Pages ====
There are several categories of things in the wiki. Can we enumerate them?
* About the Community
** Where to find information.
** Who are the stake holders?
** FAQs
* Web/Architectural Philosophy
** Community Principles
** Why are we doing this?
** XML and Namespaces
** Semantic XHTML
** Common Misconceptions
** Concession and Disposition of Criticism
** FAQs
* Specs
** Examples
** Discussion
** Exploration
** Use Cases
** Implementations
** The spec itself.

* Tips and Tricks for Authoring ([[User:BenWest|BenWest]] 15:00, 9 Dec 2006 (PST))
** how to author semantic html
** choosing class names
** using HTML's general extension mechanisms
** advocating use
** collaborating/reusing HTML
** debugging HTML: use pastebin, separate out the relevant bits.
** getting help from the community
** applying Microformats.

Can others agree and or refine this list? Should I take it to the -discuss list? How do we create consensus on how the wiki should be organized in order to make it more usable? And how can we turn that consensus into actionable changes?

The wiki should also capture wisdom that stems from discussions that don't produce microformats. For example, Chris Messina suggests a "Best Of" page suitable for capturing this kind of wisdom. I think we can think of a given microformat as being at a place in a spectrum that ranges from "not yet thought of", to "interesting but needs work," or even "rejected", and of course including all the stages familiar to the microformats processes (eg examples, brainstorming, etc...).
If there were such a page would it:
* Belong to a microformat? (eg hcard-bestof)
* or to the global namespace? (eg /wiki/wisdom/foobar-format)
(I think Chris Messina suggests that it belongs to a given microformat, but then how do we collect wisdom from non-microformats?)

Considering that the wiki page named with the microformat (i.e. /wiki/hcard) is the one that people will mostly likely look to first for learning about a particular format, I'd think it'd make more sense and create a more welcoming feel to convert these pages to an intro page introducing the format for the beginner and linking to resources like tutorials and creators. Spec pages would then be relocated to wiki/*-spec -- [[User:Cgriego|Cgriego]] 13:25, 16 Oct 2006 (PDT)

====Mike Schinkel's Comments====

My suggestion on the list was for us to use a convention that the entry page (i.e.
http://microformats.org/wiki/hcard) would be an index into a list of
(psuedo) standardized sub pages so that it would be very people to
find what is important to them. For example, is a list of potential sub pages:

* Microformat
** Specification
** Tutorial
** Examples
** Use cases
** Reference
** Discussion
** Brainstorming (might be combined w/Discussion)
** Implementations
** Related Pages
** Further Reading
** All (Uses Mediawiki's "includes" to create a page including all sub pages; very useful for printing & reading offline)

These pages would be located respectively at

* http://microformats.org/wiki/hcard/
** http://microformats.org/wiki/hcard/Specification
** http://microformats.org/wiki/hcard/Tutorial
** http://microformats.org/wiki/hcard/Examples
** http://microformats.org/wiki/hcard/Use_cases
** http://microformats.org/wiki/hcard/Reference
** http://microformats.org/wiki/hcard/Discussion
** http://microformats.org/wiki/hcard/Brainstorming
** http://microformats.org/wiki/hcard/Implementations
** http://microformats.org/wiki/hcard/Related_Pages
** http://microformats.org/wiki/hcard/Further_Reading
** http://microformats.org/wiki/hcard/All

Please note I am suggesting an architecture not a specific list of sub pages. The list of sub pages should be defined by both reviewing existing information during site reorganization, and then via discussion on the list in an attempt to discover and extract which sub pages are needed for most/all microformats.

'''NOTE''': This differs from above in that the spec if not viewed as a top level structure but instead the microformat itself and the spec would be under the microformat. In this context "microformat" is a more abstract concept and "spec" is a more concrete thing. Another way to think about it would be that each microformat would have it's own mini home page and then things like "spec" are the pages listed on its home page.

== Matt Dertinger (Thewhoo) ==

[[User:Thewhoo]]

=== hAtom2Atom ===
<ul>
<li>Support for other XSLT engines:
* hAtom2Atom written using XSL 2.0
</li>
<li>Support for other output formats: (hAtom2xyz.xsl)
* RSS 2.0 (meanwhile use hAtom2Atom.xsl and [http://atom.geekhood.net/ atom2rss.xsl])
* RSS 1.0 (meanwhile use hAtom2Atom.xsl and [http://cvs.4suite.org/viewcvs/uogbuji/atom2rss.xslt atom2rss.xslt])
* AtomOWL (meanwhile use hAtom2Atom.xsl and [http://dannyayers.com/2005/11/22/atomowl-xslt-progress/ atom2rdfxml.xsl])
</li>
</ul>

=== Microformats Proposals ===

* rel="disclaimer":
** Purpose: to create a semantic linkage (relationship) between a foot-note or end-note marker and the actual location of the text that the marker refers to.
* rel="external":
** Purpose: to formalize what is already in existence in the wild. The use of rel="external" to refer to a document that is external or outside of the current domain.

== Henri Bergius ==

[[User:HenriBergius|Henri Bergius]]

* Add hKit support for automatically populating contact details into [http://www.openpsa.org/version2/openpsa/contacts.html OpenPsa Contacts] CRM
* Implement Tail scripts for adding things into Midgard

== Justin Thorp ==
* Start researching examples for a To-do microformat

== [[User:MarkLentczner|Mark Lentczner]] ==

* Get Second Life's event web pages to have proper event microformats data
** Add [[hcard|hCard]] to profile pages
** Add [[hcalendar|hCalendar]] to events listings
* Start pinging pingerati.net/ping/$url when pages are updated
* Collaborate on designing how to integrate microformats, metadata and objects in [http://secondlife.com/ Second Life].

== [[User:DerrickPallas|Derrick Pallas]] ==
=== microformat proposal: dependancy ===
* looking for examples of directed graphs on the web
* applications in
** software engineering
*** automatically build library dependency trees
*** distribute security alerts to people that link to your code
** any directed, acyclic graph
*** getting dressed in the morning
*** cooking
* orthogonal to xfn
** people don't have versions
*** libfoo requires libbar-2.0 or later
** people don't have optional relationships
*** ex: at build time, compile in SSL support if present
** people don't have exclusive-or relationships
*** ex: in Gentoo, syslog, syslog-ng, and metalog satisfy virtual/syslog
*** ex: the Ruby library RMagick requires ImageMagick xor GraphicsMagick

== [[User:PaulDowney|Paul Downey]] ==
* building a generic Javascript parser
* bundling parser as a [http://tiddlywiki.org TidlyWiki] plugin for hCards
* documenting how best to microformat TiddlyWiki pages

== [[User:RobManson | Rob Manson]] ==
* chase the admins to get some creation template extensions installed for wiki (see: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Inputbox or http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:CreateBox or http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:CreateArticle)

== [[User:ClayNewton | Clay Newton]] ==
* Work on getting others involved in [[trade-examples]]
** Need examples from major online banking sites
** Need examples from major ecommerce sites
* Continue working on: [[trade-brainstorming]]

== [[User:BenWard | Ben Ward]] ==

=== Recurring ===

* Delete Wiki Spam

=== Currently ===

* Gardening/updating key wiki pages.
** [[how-to-play]]
** XHTML Design Principals
* embed brainstorming
* Considering new welcome banner of µf.org to link to various µf resources, rather than being dominated by the infrequently updated blog.

=== Next Actions ===

* Conclude new hCalendar proposals from Yahoo TV Listings experience
* Resume work on hListing microformat
* Re-org the Microformats.org front-page content
** Work with [[User:Phae]] on refreshing the microformats frontpage content
** Build new events module for the blog using Upcoming.org, rather than hard coded event data (Matt Harris may have done this…)
** Build new wiki edits module for the blog
** Combine ‘list of microformats’ into the intro text? Make intro text more friendly.
* Build a microformats activity stream
** Replace front page blog with activity flow
*** Wiki Edits/New Pages
*** New Mailing List Threads
*** Interesting µf links
*** Blog posts
*** Upcoming events/event reminders
* Improve µf.org/blog OpenID support, find a good workflow for login/comment (current plug-in has an abysmal user experience)

hcard-issues

2007-04-06T00:44:32Z

DavidCary: How exactly is it "accessibility-damaging"?

<h1> hCard issues </h1>

These are externally raised issues about [[hcard|hCard]] with broadly varying degrees of merit. Thus some issues are REJECTED for a number of obvious reasons (but still documented here in case they are re-raised), and others contain longer discussions. Some issues may be ACCEPTED and perhaps cause changes or improved explanations in the spec.

'''IMPORTANT''': Please read the [[hcard-faq|hCard FAQ]] ''before'' giving any feedback or raising any issues as your feedback/issues may already be resolved/answered.

Submitted issues may (and probably will) be edited and rewritten for better terseness, clarity, calmness, rationality, and as neutral a point of view as possible. Write your issues well. — [http://tantek.com/log/ Tantek]

Please add new issues to the '''top''' of the list. Please follow-up to resolved/rejected issues with new information rather than resubmitting such issues. Duplicate issue additions will be reverted.

For matters relating to the vCard specification itself, see [[vcard-errata]] and [[vcard-suggestions]].

See also related [[hcalendar-issues]].

__TOC__

== Issues ==

* {{OpenIssue}} 2007-03-31 raised by [[User:AndyMabbett|Andy Mabbett]]
*# The [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Geodetic_System WGS84 scehma] used as a default by <code>geo</code> will not remain valid forever. Fortunately, the proposed [[geo-extension-strawman|geo extension]], originally intended for lunar/ Martian coordinates, also provides a facility for the specification of other, Earth-bound schema, which will alleviate this problem. [[User:AndyMabbett|Andy Mabbett]] 13:00, 31 Mar 2007 (PDT)
*#* Note also the forthcoming [http://www.euref-iag.net/ European Terrestrial Reference System 89 schema] (See also [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Terrestrial_Reference_System_1989 Etrs89 on Wikipedia]. [[User:AndyMabbett|Andy Mabbett]] 03:11, 5 Apr 2007 (PDT)

* {{OpenIssue}} 2007-03-26 raised by [[User:AndyMabbett|Andy Mabbett]]
*#Parsers (Operator, Tails) currently expect <code>adr</code> to have one or more children. It is not clear from the spec that that's mandatory; nor is it always possible for an address field in a templated (or CMS) web site to be defined with such granularity. See [[hcard-brainstorming#ADR with no children]] for discussion.

* {{OpenIssue}} 2007-03-19 raised by [[User::ChristinaHope|Christina Hope]]
*# ''Does Microsoft Outlook 2003 allow the use of the "role" property? I have added it to all of my hCards and it is not appearing. Am I doing something wrong?''
*#** URL?
* {{OpenIssue}} 2007-02-25 [http://microformats.org/wiki?title=adr&diff=next&oldid=13732 raised elsewhere] by [[User:JamesCraig]]
*#internationalisation Note: <code>country-code</code> may be missing. Usually a postal-code prefix such as "FIN-00630 Helsinki" or "L-4750 Petange" (Luxembourg).
* {{OpenIssue}} 2007-02-02 raised by [[User::DerrickPallas|Derrick Pallas]]
*# [[adr]] says that all of it's properties are singular; however, "street-address" is listed as zero-or-more.
* {{OpenIssue}} 2007-01-30 raised by [[User:AndyMabbett|Andy Mabbett]]
*# Many sites, not least Wikipedia, publish co-ordinates as degrees-minutes-seconds (e.g. [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Birmingham]). Should [[geo]] be extended to allow for this, with parsers making the conversion to digital values?
* {{OpenIssue}} 2007-01-26 raised by [[User::JamesCraig|JamesCraig]].
*# RFC2426 'type' values cannot be localized/internationalized in hCard. In the example below, there is no solution to mark the Spanish version with a type of 'home' since the RFC2426 values are defined in English. abbr-design-pattern would suggest using abbr, but 'Casa' is not an abbreviated form of 'home', therefore the currently recommended version (below) is not valid.<pre><nowiki>

<abbr class="type" title="home">Casa</abbr> (preferido):
+1.415.555.1212

</nowiki></pre>
*#* REJECTED. TOO LITTLE INFORMATION. Please provide the precise URL to the specific statement on the accessify forum discussion that asserts that using abbr is not valid. Please also provide a precise URL to a *real world* (as opposed to an artificially constructed test case) example in the wild of an non-English hCard which attempts to specify RFC2426 type information on a "tel" property and fails to do so.
*#* REOPENED and clarified (Also removed Accessify reference pulled from [[http://microformats.org/wiki?title=accessibility&oldid=12943 original raising]]).
*#*# Though erroneously first raised on the accessibility page, this is not an accessibility issue. It is an HTML semantics issue for internationalization. <code>abbr[title]</code> should be an expanded form of <code>abbr</code> contents, in the same language.
*#*# There are real-world non-English examples in the current Mac OS 10.5 (Leopard) developer seed. This code example illustrates the point sufficiently.
*#*# Please leave the clarification as-is even if you feel you must RE-REJECT (add-on, don't revert). My original points were lost when they were taken out of context and moved here. -[[User::JamesCraig|JamesCraig]]
* 2007-01-26 raised by [[User::JamesCraig|JamesCraig]].
*# ''Proposal to use the class attribute for qname prefixed type values (and others such as dtstart values), AKA meta classes.'' <pre><nowiki>
Home (preferred): +1.415.555.1212
Casa (preferido): +1.415.555.1212
</nowiki></pre>
*#* REJECTED DUPLICATE ETC. Class attributes for type values [http://microformats.org/wiki/hcard-parsing#ISSUE_2 was tried and rejected] and in addition, [[qnames-considered-harmful]].
*#* Clarified proposal, leaving REJECTED.
* 2007-01-22 raised by [[User:Christina Hope|Christina Hope]].
*# ''What is the easiest way to display an hCard all on one line with spacing. Currently I am using this - but I know that there has to be an easier/ simpler way to do it. Examples: (1) <pre><nowiki>

Christina Hope& nbsp;& nbsp;& nbsp;
Information Technology& nbsp;& nbsp;& nbsp;
Website Coordinator& nbsp;& nbsp;& nbsp;

 x3408 & nbsp;& nbsp;& nbsp;
<a href="mailto:chope@example.com">chope@example.com</a>
</nowiki></pre>''

:: Try <pre><nowiki>
Christina Hope
Information Technology
Website Coordinator
<abbr class="tel" title="+44123 456 7890 x 3408"> x3408</abbr>
<a class="email" href="mailto:chope@example.com">chope@example.com</a>
</nowiki></pre>

::Note: apply classes to existing elements; use abbr to give the phone number in full, in international format. Also, use CSS, not non- breaking spaces, for spacing.

::[[User:AndyMabbett|Andy Mabbett]] 08:34, 22 Jan 2007 (PST)

* {{OpenIssue}} 2006-12-15 raised ([http://microformats.org/discuss/mail/microformats-discuss/2006-December/007730.html on 2006-12-14, on the mailing list]) by Joe Andrieu.
*# (Paraphrased) By including organisations and places, as well as people, hCards have lost semantic specificity (see cited mailing list post for details).
*#* [http://microformats.org/discuss/mail/microformats-discuss/2007-March/009102.html Apparently intentional], but possibly requiring further extension. [[User:AndyMabbett|Andy Mabbett]]

* 2006-12-15 raised by [[User:WizardIsHungry|WizardIsHungry]]
*# ''[Moved from a user talk page] Hey, why is hiding semi-useful information using CSS bad? The Geo and Address stuff wouldn't be enough to contact me, but I would like there so bookmarklets, crawlers, greasemonkey etc can manipulate it. Is there a policy on using CSS hiding of fields? Thanks :)''
*#* I guess we can't rely that anything that consumes hCards is normalizing it to a particular format instead of just taking all the xml inside the hcard classed block and sticking it somewhere. If it does just store it as a string, then generating html from it will yield the same hidden fields. Perhaps hiding fields by applying a stylesheet to the relevant hcard styles is ok, but not hiding them using in-line CSS styling. Feedback? --[[User:WizardIsHungry|Jon Williams]] 10:28, 22 Dec 2006 (PST)
*#* Furthermore, [[hcard-example1-steps]] shows using inline CSS to hide fields. What gives? I still think this is an open issue; particularly the distinction between external stylesheet hiding and inline rules though. --[[User:WizardIsHungry|Jon Williams]] 13:33, 5 Jan 2007 (PST)
*#* Should this be on [[microformats-issues]]? --[[User:WizardIsHungry|Jon Williams]] 13:37, 5 Jan 2007 (PST)
*#** The example you cite is the first of several steps, which refine and improve the first step's suboptimal hCard.
*#*** The question is: ''why is this considered suboptimal if it is ok to hide the entire card?'''
*#**** REJECTED CLOSED TOO THEORETICAL. It is not OK to hide the entire card. Without further concrete examples with real world URLs on the web, this issue is closed.
*#***** Here are a number of examples of hiding the entire card, taken from [[hcard-examples-in-wild]]: [http://www.meryl.net/] [http://www.fberriman.com/] [http://www.fberriman.com/] [http://www.last.fm/user/Crok/?scrobbling=t1] -- Could someone link to where this was discussed and decided in the past, as it seems like this is being governed by fiat. Even if you don't care to have consensus, but could you at least justify this? This stonewalling is rather rude. --[[User:WizardIsHungry|Jon Williams]] 13:24, 9 Jan 2007 (PST)
*#* [[hcard-brainstorming#CSS_Styles]] explicitly permits this. I'm going with what they say.

* {{OpenIssue}} 2006-12-07 raised by RyanKing.
*# ''hCard org-fn matching should use organization-name, if given.''
*# originally [http://microformats.org/discuss/mail/microformats-discuss/2006-November/007337.html raised on uf-discuss] by David Janes.

* {{OpenIssue}} 2006-11-24 raised by [[User:AndyMabbett|Andy Mabbett]]
*# A suggested work-around for the lack of a gender property is to represent gender implicitly in the honorific-prefix field, e.g. Mr. for male, and Ms. for female. This approach does has the limitation that "Mr." and "Ms." (or "Miss"/ "Mrs.") conflicts with a higher-ranking, gender-neutral honorific, such as "Dr." or "Rev." for the person, as it is unusual (and sometimes, outside the USA, invalid) to refer to someone as "Mr. Dr." or "Mrs. Rev." for example. Note also that some cultures or religions regard such titles as offensive, or at least disdain them.

* 2006-11-23 raised by [[User:AndyMabbett|Andy Mabbett]]
*# The specification should be "stand alone", and not normally require reference to the vCard specification.
*#*A: ACCEPTED PARTIAL. Agreed that [[hcard|hCard]] should be usable by typical web authors without having to dig through the vCard specification. Precise implementation of parsing etc. hCard properties however will likely require programmers to reference the specifics/grammars in the vCard specification which we will NOT replicate in the hCard specification in order to avoid inevitable introduction of errors due to duplication. And that being said, ''informative'' explanations may be a good idea, while the vCard property/value definitions are kept as ''normative''.
*#** Yes; my meaning was with reference to hCard publishing, not parsing-into-vCards. [[User:AndyMabbett|Andy Mabbett]]
*# ''The specification should state that "telephone numbers SHOULD adhere to [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/E.123 ITU-T Recommendation E.123]" (or perhaps "MUST").''
*#* ACCEPTED PARTIAL. This makes sense as an informative reference and a MAY, but since vCard makes no such SHOULD statement for TEL values, neither should/will hCard. In addition, as a Wikipedia URL that is subject to drastic change, we cannot make that a normative reference.
*#** I take your point about Wikipedia - here's [http://www.itu.int/rec/T-REC-E.123-200102-I/en a more definitive ITU-E.123 URL]; but it's for a chargeable document. Using "SHOULD" or "MUST" in hCard will not affect compatibility with or conversion to vCard. [[User:AndyMabbett|Andy Mabbett]]

* 2006-11-16 raised by [[User:AndyMabbett|Andy Mabbett]]
*# ''The "type" for "tel" lacks a "textphone" option (for the devices used by, e.g., people who are deaf or have speech difficulties. Example: [http://www.birmingham.gov.uk/contact Birmingham City Council (303 1119)].''
*#*A: REJECTED. This is a vCard issue, as the "type" taxonomy for "tel" is determined by vCard. We are not presently extending hCard beyond the properties and values in vCard.
*#** ''I'm not clear how you can "reject" a provably factual statement. What's the process of suggesting an update to vCard? [[User:AndyMabbett|Andy Mabbett]]''
*#***A: ACCEPTED PARTIAL RESOLVED. Unfortunately it is not clear what the process is for updating vCard. However, we can at least capture suggestions for improvement to vCard from this community which may be helpful once the process for updating vCard is understood. I've created [[vcard-suggestions]] for this purpose and added this suggestion. - Tantek
*#**** The vCard spec is updated by RFC, for example [http://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc4770.txt RFC 4770]. [[User:AndyMabbett|Andy Mabbett]] 06:22, 12 Jan 2007 (PST)

* {{OpenIssue}} 2006-10-21 raised by [[User:AndyMabbett|Andy Mabbett]]
*# ''There should be some way to say that the URL of an hCard or hCalendar event is the URL of the page itself, without having to include a redundant, and accessibility-damaging link to that page, on the page itself.''
*#* Quite often I see "a" webpage accessible with several different URLs. Typically 1 URL is the "preferred" URL, expected to have a long lifetime. Sometimes other URLs are "convenience" URLs that may have been linked to in the past, but are expected to go away soon, which resolve to the same file (the "latest version"). Then there are "archive" URLs that show an exact copy of that webpage as it appeared some time in the past. I think we want to always use the "preferred" URL, no matter which of those URLs we happen to stumble upon first -- so the URL is not actually redundant. (How exactly is it "accessibility-damaging" for a page to link to itself? Could you explain or add a link to an explanation?) --[[User:DavidCary|DavidCary]] 17:44, 5 Apr 2007 (PDT)

* 2005-06-21 raised by Hixie
*# ''Issue H-1: This specification is lacking a user agent conformance section. There's basically nothing that says how hCards must be parsed, how to handle errors, and so forth. Is it defined in terms of the DOM? Is it defined in terms of a serialisation? How do you handle unexpected content or missing content?
*#*A: ACCEPTED RESOLVED. See [[hcard-parsing]] for how hCards must be parsed. For errors/unexpected content/missing content, please provide specific examples.

* 2005-06-30 raised by Jack L. Wolfgang II. Please feel free to move these to the FAQs if they are better suited there.
*# ''Handling middle names and suffixes: How does one handle middle initials/names in the hCard format and suffixes that are not honorific suffixes (e.g. Jr., Sr., II, III, etc. as opposed to Ph.D., Esq., M.D., etc.)?''
*#*A: ACCEPTED FAQ. By [http://suda.co.uk Brian Suda] (2005-11-08 updated by [http://tantek.com/log/ Tantek]; 2006-11-16 updated by [[User:AndyMabbett|Andy Mabbett]]) hCard is based of the RFC2426 spec. I you want to use a middle initial it can be expanded using the abbr element. <code><abbr title="[MiddleName]" class="additional-name">M</abbr></code>. Honorific Suffixes in the RFC include Jr., Esq. and other inherited suffixes, so I would just use <code><abbr class="honorific-suffix" title="Junior">Jr.</abbr></code> etc.
*# ''Handling different types of addresses: How does one handle the TYPE (e.g. postal, work, etc.) specification for addresses as specified in RFC 2426 Section 3.2.1?''
*#*A: ACCEPTED FAQ. By [http://suda.co.uk Brian Suda] (2005-11-08 updated by [http://tantek.com/log/ Tantek]) If you want to add a type to certain elements, including address and telephone it may be done in the following manner:
<pre><nowiki>

work:
...

</nowiki></pre>
<pre><nowiki>

work:
123.456.7890

</nowiki></pre>
the TYPE needs to be a sub-element of the property (adr, tel, etc) NOTE: EMAIL does NOT have many TYPE attributes, only INTERNET and X400

* {{OpenIssue}} 2006-04-10 raised by [[User:ScottReynen|Scott Reynen]].
*# ''When someone looks at the [[hcard|hCard]] pages, one sees no collection of real-world publishing of contact data nor discussion of the properties implied by such examples, I think it's far too easy to infer that microformats come from other formats more than actual behavior. There's nothing on the [[process]] nor the hcard pages explaining this discrepancy. I would argue that there should be an explanation, probably in both places.''

* 2006-04-06 raised by [[User:Evan|Evan]].
*# ''What is the relationship between the CATEGORY property and [[rel-tag]]? Can you add a tag to an hCard? How can you add a tag to a particular hcard on a page without tagging the other cards on a page?''
*#* ACCEPTED. Categories can optionally be represented as tags. The classname 'category' should always be used, but rel="tag" can optionally be used (in addition to the category classname). In the case that a rel-tag tag is used, the tag (as defined by [[rel-tag]]) is used for the category. Examples: (1) <code><nowiki>food</nowiki></code> and (2) <code><nowiki><a class="category" rel="tag" href="http://example.com/food">Food!</a></nowiki></code>. --[[User:RyanKing|RyanKing]] 15:16, 13 Jun 2006 (PDT)

* {{OpenIssue}} 2006-03-07 raised by [http://tantek.com Tantek].
*# ''Issue 1: In 99% of the cases I am finding the need to explicitly do "n" markup, the person has a three word fn which is in the form "given-name additional-name(or initial) family-name". Should we make three word fn's into another shorthand notation to make this easier for authors?''

* 2006-02-23 raised by [http://www.thefutureoftheweb.com/ Jesse Skinner] and [http://www.thefutureoftheweb.com/blog/2006/1/hcard#comment1 Ben Buchanan].
*# ''Are multiple URLs allowed? The [http://microformats.org/wiki/hcard#Property_List Property List] suggests not, whereas email and tel have multiple type/value pairs. However, the [http://microformats.org/wiki/hcard-parsing#finding_hCard_properties parsing page] suggests multiple URLs are OK. Either way, it seems clear that a type cannot be associated with a URL. So how exactly does hCard deal with multiple URLs?''
*#* RESOLVED FAQ: Multiple URLs are allowed. Some consuming agents (Apple's AddressBook.app among them) don't have an interface for producing multiple URLs, but they are still valid in vCard and therefore hCard. --[[User:RyanKing|RyanKing]] 17:58, 12 Jun 2006 (PDT)

* 2006-02-19 raised by Miika Mäkinen.
*# ''Couldn't the types for tel numbers be specified in a class? Now, for a phone number one needs to add the type as "visible" text, which is not always preferred. For example, type "Work", many times more suitable label could be "Office" or similar and sometimes you might not want to display any type information at all.''
*#* REJECTED TRIED ALREADY. Using class names for the "type" of a tel or adr [http://microformats.org/wiki/hcard-parsing#ISSUE_2 was attempted], and failed in many situations. In addition, the "type" information is actual data, not just a property name, and thus deserves to be in the ''visible'' markup. Note that you can use abbreviations, e.g. <code><nowiki><abbr class="type" title="work">W:</abbr></nowiki></code> in order to present the type in a way that may better fit in with the rest of your presentation.

* 2006-02-13 raised by [http://microformats.org/wiki/User:Eron_Wright Eron Wright]
*# ''Few systems contemplate the altitude component of a coordinate, yet it exists. Altitude becomes important when working with 3D mapping software such as Google Earth. Indeed, the geocoding service that Google Earth uses returns a three-dimensional coordinate. I suggest that hCard provide explicit support for altitude.''
*#* REJECTED POSTPONED. Not in vCard. There is no "altitude" component in vCard (RFC 2426), and thus (certainly for now) there won't be any in hCard. If a new version of vCard were to come out with altitude, then we would add it to hCard. At some point we may also consider adding explicit extensions beyond vCard, but if we were to do so, we would capture them first on the [[hcard-brainstorming]] page.

*2006-02-03 raised by Brian
*# We can use the [[geo]] microformat in [[hatom]] to represent GeoRSS element

* {{OpenIssue}} 2006-01-28 raised by [http://rbach.priv.at/Microformats-IRC/2006-01-28#T075222 Tantek on #microformats]
*# ''Is hCard is really appropriate for a named phone bridge, or do we need something else for a named phone numbers that are neither people nor organizations (the current two precise semantics that can be defined by hCard). For example see the "Zakim" hCard on http://www.w3.org/2005/12/allgroupoverview.html''

* 2006-01-21 raised by [http://inspire.server101.com/ben/resume/ Ben Boyle].
*# ''Have run into issues trying to use definition lists with hCard, specifically around nesting requirements for tel where the DT element takes a class "type" (e.g. Telephone, Facsimile) and the DD element marks the value. It is invalid to place any other elements within a DL that wrap around the DT/DD pairs so there is no available element to assign the class "tel" to. XHTML2 proposes a DI element that will resolve this issue. I am hoping for an interim solution for those that wish to use definition lists, perhaps that "any class that would be placed on the DI parent (in XHTML2) must instead be placed on the first DT element". I realise this will cause headaches for those implementing hCard parsers. I'd also like to note this may affect other (current or future) microformats and relates to the general hassle of definition lists in current (X)HTML recommendations. For your consideration - thanks!''
*#* REJECTED WORKAROUND AVAILABLE. Either don't use definition lists in this manner (because the description of a definition should go completely in the DD element, and thus you should be able to put the class on that), or use separate DLs in the cases where you would otherwise have needed a DI element.

* 2005-12-08 raised by [http://www.heatonarts.com Kenny Heaton].
*# ''The specification gives no way to to declare a telephone extension, as in (800) 234-5678 ext. 101''
*#* ACCEPTED FAQ. What is the best way to declare a telephone extension in a "tel" property? (also seems like it would be a vCard FAQ).

* 2005-10-30 raised by [http://greenbytes.de/tech/webdav/ Julian Reschke].
*# ''Several implementations'' '''(Which ones? Please provide links.)''' ''seem to assume that any class attribute that contains the substring "vcard" indeed signals the presence of vcard information. Not so: there are examples'' '''(What examples? Please provide links.)''' ''of where a token in the class attribute indeed only ''starts with'' "vcard", in which it should be ignored. Implementations using XPath (such as XSLT or Greasemonkey scripts) should be advised to do a <code>contains(concat(@class,' '),'vcard ')</code>.
*#* REJECTED VAGUE. Which implementations? And which examples?
*#*''(Note: the code <code>contains(concat(@class,' '),'vcard ')</code> is broken see [[parsing-microformats#Parsing_class_values]] for a correct example --[[User:RobertBachmann|Robert Bachmann]])''

* 2005-08-12 raised by [http://home.alltel.net/jackwolfgang/contact/ Jack L. Wolfgang II]. Use of mailto transport functionality for the E-Mail address field.
*# ''As stated in the [[hcard-brainstorming]] document, mailto is abused by spammers. As a result, many organizations have moved to form-based contacts as opposed to mailtos. According to [http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc2426.txt RFC 2426], Section 3.3.2, "A non-standard value can also be specified." Does this refer to a non-standard e-mail address value or type value?''
*#* A: ACCEPTED FAQ. Type value.

* 2005-07-23 raised by DanConnolly
*# ''Are class names case sensitive or not? [[hcard]] says "If names in the source schema are case-insensitive, then use an all lowercase equivalent."''
*#* A: ACCEPTED FAQ. Class names are case sensitive per the HTML4 specification. Hence hCard explicitly specifies the case of class name to use for source schema names that are case-insensitive.
*# ''...but I find example data with class="Given-Name"''
*#* A: ACCEPTED RESOLVED. That is from an older preliminary version of the hCard spec which used mixed case class names. Such class names are no longer valid hCard. Please note which examples (URLs) are using the older class names and hopefully we can get them fixed.
*#** A: By [http://suda.co.uk Brian Suda] I have fixed all the references in the [[hcard-brainstorming]] page to reflect the lower-case style, this is a hold-over from the original design, X2V has been updated.
*# ''..and code that supports it [data with class="Given-Name"].''
*#* A: ACCEPTED RESOLVED. Any code supporting the older class name(s) is for backward compatibility only, and should be phased out. Any new hCard code SHOULD NOT support such mixed case class names.
*#** [http://greenbytes.de/tech/webdav/rfc2629xslt/rfc2629xslt.html rfc2629xslt.html] uses Street-Address, Family-Name, etc.
*#*** A: By [http://greenbytes.de/tech/webdav/ Julian Reschke] Fixed rfc2629.xslt (2005-10-29)
*#** [http://suda.co.uk/projects/X2V/ X2V] Version 0.5.1 2005-07-08 supports Family-Name etc.
*#*** A: By [http://suda.co.uk Brian Suda] I agree that the upper-case class names can be removed from the code, this was a hold-over and will be trimmed.
*# ''The ul/ol stuff for multiple values of a property seems to be in the X2V code and in [[hcard-brainstorming]] but not in the [[hcard]] spec.''
*#* A. ACCEPTED RESOLVED. This needs to be added to the spec. 2005-11-08 Update: the way multiple values has been updated to work much better and not require ul/ol.
*# ''the [[hcard-profile]] says country-name but X2V and lots of the data I've seen says country''
*#* A. ACCEPTED RESOLVED. RFC 2426 clearly says "country name" in both the prose and the grammar, thus "country-name" is the correct class name to use. If X2V uses just "country", it needs to be fixed to use "country-name", and any such examples as well. Please note which examples (URLs) are using the class name "country" and hopefully we can get them fixed.
*#** A: By [http://suda.co.uk Brian Suda] I have fixed all the references in the [[hcard-brainstorming]] page to reflect the proper country-name, X2V will support this in the next iteration when i fix several bugs at once.

* 2005-07-22 raised by DanConnolly
*# ''...in my cellphone/sidekick address book, I have a number of entries for companies. I wrote [http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/2001/palmagent/asHCard.xsl asHCard.xsl] to convert the data from RDF to hCard, but I don't know what to do with entries for companies, since FN is mandatory in hCard.''
*#*A: ACCEPTED FAQ. This should be an FAQ. "How do I write an hCard for a company?" The vCard specification is silent on this point (entries for companies). Thus there are two options as far as the hCard standard is concerned:
*#*# Set "fn" and "org" to the same value. E.g. <code>W3C</code> (recommended)
*#*# Set "org" as usual, and set "fn" explicitly to empty. E.g. <code>W3C</code> or
*#*#* Simply have no "fn", and on the parsing side, if there is no "fn" present, but there is an "org" property, then duplicate the "org" value as "fn"
*#*The last two options are effectively the same and are both not explicit and easily confusable with a "missing data" condition. Thus option 1 is preferred. For converting applications (hCard to vCard), they ''may'' consider using proprietary extensions to make the distinction explicit in generated vCards, based on either case 1 or 2 above. E.g. Apple's Address Book application supports the property: <code>X-ABShowAs:COMPANY</code>
*#*We are looking for descriptions of how other vCard supporting applications treat "company" vCards differently from "person" vCards. Please provide descriptions here:
*#** Address Book / MacOSX.3:
*#*** Export (e.g. drag & drop to desktop, view in text editor)
*#**** Sets "FN" and "ORG" to the name of the company
*#**** Sets proprietary <code>X-ABShowAs:COMPANY</code>
*#*** Import (e.g. edit in text editor, drag & drop from desktop)
*#**** By setting "FN" and "ORG' to the same name (e.g. Banana Computers Inc.)
*#**** And removing any proprietary properties (e.g. X-ABShowAs)
*#**** Address Book user interface showed new vCard as a "company" contact rather an a person
*#** Address Book MacOSX.4:
*#*** same results as above -RyanKing
*#** The Danger Hiptop (aka T-Mobile Sidekick) address book:
*#*** Export (e.g. [http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-archive/2005Sep/0007.html email to a mailing list])
*#**** Sets "FN" to the empty string and puts the company name in "ORG".
*#*** Import - could not find a way to import a .vcf, by email, IM, or other means into the Sidekick.
*#** Contacts / Outlook 2003 Windows
*#*** Export (e.g. Highlight contact, File, Save As, vcard)
*#**** Sets "N" and "ORG to the name of the company
*#**** Sets "FN" to value in "File as:"
*#** Add another vCard app here.

=== Canonical/Authoritative Hcard ===

* {{OpenIssue}} 2006-01-23 raised by David Janes (?).
* ''Issue 1: Specifying Authoritative or Canonical or Official Hcard''
** Use of rel="me" only specifies an alternate version, not necessarily the canonical version
** Suggestion: use rel="me self". Adopt "self" semantics from Atom which means "the", or controversially "alternate, equivalent" version
*** The combined use of rel="me" and rel="self" may conflict with their definitions in the [http://www.gmpg.org/xfn/11#me XFN Profile] and RFC 4287 respectively. See [http://microformats.org/discuss/mail/microformats-discuss/2007-January/008443.html the mailing list discussion on rel="me self"] for more information. From [[User:RCanine|Ryan Cannon]].
** Suggestion: use rel="via". Per RFC 4287, via "signifies that the IRI in the value of the href attribute identifies a resource that is the source of the information provided in the containing element." from [[User:RCanine|Ryan Cannon]].
** Other suggestions? "authoritative", "canonical"?
** Problems with this suggestion?
** How does this relate to authentication/trust issues? Is this a different problem with a different scope?
*** (microformats-discuss list) Joe Andrieu: The concept behind an "authoritative" hCard rather than "definitive" or "canonical" one was that "authoritative" would explicitly be a ''claim'' by the author of the hCard regarding its authority in describing the subject of the hCard, i.e., use ''this'' hCard as the one true source of this individual's contact information.
*** To summarize: authentication/trust is a separate topic.
** What exactly is the scope of the problem to solve here?
*** (IRC) (10:47:44) sreynen: for example, all of the examples I've seen involve a single person publishing multiple hCards of himself
*** (IRC) (10:48:13) sreynen: yet many people are talking about 3rd parties publishing hCards and pointing back to the subject's own hCard
** rel="me" must be symmetrical, per the XFN spec. What exactly does this mean for this use?
** "me" (and, depending on usage, "self") are not appropriate for content referring to third- parties. [[User:AndyMabbett|Andy Mabbett]]
''TODO:'' please add appropriate context and history of this issue from the mailing list. Sign your name to your comments.

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== Resolved Issues ==
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* 2007-03-28 raised by [[User:JamesCraig|James Craig]]
*#[[internationalization|Internationalization]] (i18n) issue for implied optimization of FN. Many languages (for example, Japanese) often list FN as "family-name given-name" instead of the assumed "given-name family-name" in English and other Western languages. There should be a affordance to indicate the order ''or'' a note in the spec indicating that the two-word FN is a shorthand for Western languages and any languages not fitting this format should explicitly define "family-name" and "given-name" every time.
*#* ACCEPTED. Tantek [[to-do]]: add internationalization section in [[hcard|hCard]] spec, and note in the spec indicating that the two-word FN is a shorthand for Western languages and any languages not fitting this format should explicitly define "family-name" and "given-name" every time.

== Closed Issues ==
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== Related Pages ==
{{hcard-related-pages}}

geo-extension-nonWGS84

2007-04-06T00:06:38Z

DavidCary: multiple representations of the same location

=Geo Extension Straw-Man Proposal=

Further to proposals for [[luna]] and [[mars]] equivalents to [[geo]], the following is a "straw-man" proposal, to incorporate those ideas (and likewise for other bodies) into geo, and to make Geo available for other terrestrial schema than WGS84, in order that further debate may take place. Please feel free to critique it harshly but fairly!

==Author==
[[User:AndyMabbett|Andy Mabbett]]

==Straw-Man==

<pre><nowiki>



Mars [1]



[name of mapping schema] [2]


37.386013,
-122.082932 [3]

</nowiki></pre>

===Notes===
# A list of acceptable, case-insensitive, values for 'body' would need to be drawn up (e.g. "Earth", "Mars", "Moon", "Venus", etc.) wither "Earth" being assumed if none is specified.
# A list of acceptable values for 'reference frame' would need to be drawn up, for each body, with one being declared the default, to be used if no value is present (geo for Earth uses the datum of [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Geodetic_System WGS84] by default. This extension would also allow for other terrestrial schema, of which there are many, such as OSGB36).
# As currently with geo, if the "latitude" and "longitude" classes are omitted, the two values MUST be separated by a semi-colon and latitude MUST be first:<code><nowiki>37.386013;-122.082932</nowiki></code>
:Also:
:*If latitude is present, so MUST be longitude, and vice versa.
:*The same number of decimal places SHOULD be used in each value; zeros are significant
:*The [http://planetarynames.wr.usgs.gov/ Gazetteer of Planetary Nomenclature] has coordinates for other planets, e.g. [http://planetarynames.wr.usgs.gov/jsp/FeatureTypesData2.jsp?systemID=2&bodyID=17&typeID=10&system=Venus&body=Venus&type=Dorsum,%20dorsa&sort=AName&show=Fname&show=Lat&show=Long&show=Diam&show=Stat&show=Orig Venus] and moons, e.g. [http://planetarynames.wr.usgs.gov/jsp/FeatureTypesData2.jsp?systemID=5&bodyID=7&typeID=15&system=Jupiter&body=Io&type=Fluctus,%20fluct%C5%ABs&sort=AName&show=Fname&show=Lat&show=Long&show=Diam&show=Stat&show=Orig Io].

==Issues==
*Should other bodies be included in ''geo'', or have stand-alone microformats?
*What effect will this have on existing 'geo' parsers, and it is safe to ignore that?
*What appropriate "reference frame" sets exist?
**Earth: [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Geodetic_System WGS84], [http://itrf.ensg.ign.fr/ITRF_solutions/2005/ ITRF2005], [http://www.ordnancesurvey.co.uk/oswebsite/gps/information/gpsbackground/glossary.html EtrS89]
**Moon: Mean Earth Polar Axis
**Mars: IAU2000
***'Report of the IAU/IAG Working Group on Cartographic Coordinates and Rotational Elements of the Planets and Satellites: 2000', Celestial Mechanics and Dynamical Astronomy 82: 83-110, 2002 [http://astrogeology.usgs.gov/Projects/ISPRS/PREPRINTS/index_preprints.html]
*Moon is the preferred name, per [ http://planetarynames.wr.usgs.gov/ IAU nomenclature working group]
*Is it appropriate to use the name "geo" (which means "Earth") for other bodies?
*is ''body '' an acceptable class name, given that it's also an HTML element?

==Comments==
===thare===
Comments from [[User:PlanetGeo|thare]]
*geo does stand for Earth but it has previously been generalized for the planetary case. For example, the term geology is used for planetary bodies.
*using ''body'' is fine by me and do not see a conflict as an HTML element.
*by schema do you mean a natural surficial property like earthquake, volcano, or crater? Or do you also want to include man-made items building, house, landing site?
**No, I mean, for example, WGS84, or the Martian or lunar equivalents. Is "schema" perhaps the wrong word?. [[User:AndyMabbett|Andy Mabbett]]
*** Perhaps "reference frame" would be a less confusing term than "schema"? --[[User:DavidCary|DavidCary]] 17:06, 5 Apr 2007 (PDT)
*I would suggest just using "''Moon''". For other spellings for planetary bodies I would look toward the IAU/IAG documentation (an international working group) [http://astrogeology.usgs.gov/Projects/WGCCRE/ IAU/IAG Working Group (WG) on Cartographic Coordinates and Rotational Elements]
*Since this is a simple case, I tried to stay away from this issue but just can't. What does Earth really mean? There a many definitions for the size of Earth that need to be resolved when using lat/lon coordinates. Is the size of the Earth defined by the WGS84 or NAD27 definition? For Mars, is it the definition used in 1991 or redefined in 2000? This has previously been solved in web GIS applications by using an "EPSG" code. For planetary bodies we are attempting to define a similar coded standard which currently is called the IAU2000 code or namespace. Thus for Mars the code might be IAU2000:49900.
**Hence 'schema'. [[User:AndyMabbett|Andy Mabbett]]
*still working - more later
**Thank you. [[User:AndyMabbett|Andy Mabbett]]

===Brent A. Archinal===

(reproduced from e-mail to [[User:AndyMabbett|Andy Mabbett]], by kind permission)

*I appreciate the information you've provided and certainly the general idea of using "microformats" to indicate geographical location of points on solar system bodies is interesting.
*As to any comments on the general idea or any specific implementation, I think my colleague, Trent Hare, has already addressed any primary concerns or questions (above).
*The main issue seems to be that both the body, and the specific definition (technically a "reference frame") in question need to be specified, e.g. 1) Earth, ITRF2005, 2) Moon, ULCN 2005, 3) Mars, "IAU2000" or similar. Note that these frames are actually realizations of various "reference systems" 1) ITRS, 2) mean Earth/polar axis system, 3) IAU2000 Mars body fixed, respectively), but the system is apparent once the frame has been identified.
*A secondary issue is that obviously a third coordinate may need to be specified, i.e. some sort of "radius" (from the body center of mass) or "elevation" about a reference surface. If the latter, then that reference surface needs to be specified as well (e.g. Mars, "IAU2000", "IAU2000 sphere").
*If the microformat(s) were expandable to handle these cases when necessary (and others we haven't yet thought of) then obviously they could have a lot of utility.
*There are plenty of GIS and standards organization formats out there for handling this type of data, even for the solar system case. I'm not at all an expert on what's available, but obviously for something like the microformats to be generally used, their advantages over these existing formats would have to be made clear.
*As to usage here, we'll let others know of the existence of these formats, but I can't say how much immediate interest there might be in using them. We already (and Trent could say more) use a wide range of GIS and even flat file formats to carry e.g. lists of point-like data.
*Regarding one other point on the web pages, I believe the "Moon" (capitalized) is the primary recognized name for the Moon. There is an [IAU nomenclature working group http://planetarynames.wr.usgs.gov/] that handles not only the names of features on planetary bodies, but of the bodies themselves, and I believe this is their position on this (since confirmed - [[User:AndyMabbett|Andy Mabbett]]).

::Brent A. Archinal, Geodesist, Astrogeology Team, U.S. Geological Survey

=== multiple representations of the same location ===

I assume that someday, some other reference frame will replace the WGS84 reference frame.
During the changeover,
I expect many people to post 2 descriptions for a particular location (giving slightly different lat/long coordinates for each reference frame).

Even today, I can imagine someone wanting to tag a single location with WSG84, UTM (universal transverse Mercator), MGRS (military grid reference system), and the Maidenhead locator system.
So readers can use whichever system they find most convenient, and ignore the others.

* Would it be better to put all these ways of describing a location inside a single
<code><nowiki> ... </nowiki></code>
span? If so, what is the best way to make sure that each set of lat/long numbers gets associated with the correct reference frame?
* Or would it be better to put all those descriptions in their own independent
<code><nowiki> ... </nowiki></code>
span? In that case, how do we indicate that they all (are indended to) indicate the same location, rather than a series of locations ?

--[[User:DavidCary|DavidCary]] 17:06, 5 Apr 2007 (PDT)
===Other===
*???

==Related pages==
{{geo-related-pages}}

==See also==
[http://www.theregister.com/2006/12/19/nasa_4_google/ NASA shares space with Google] (2006-12-20)