http://microformats.org/wiki/api.php?action=feedcontributions&feedformat=atom&user=RobLintonMicroformats Wiki - User contributions [en]2026-04-27T03:13:35ZUser contributionsMediaWiki 1.38.4http://microformats.org/wiki/index.php?title=licensing-brainstorming&diff=32310licensing-brainstorming2008-08-29T23:45:44Z<p>RobLinton: /* Attribution Challenges */</p>
<hr />
<div>= Licensing Brainstorming =<br />
<br />
The very beginning.<br />
<br />
See [[licensing]] for background.<br />
<br />
<br />
== Discussion ==<br />
<br />
Set of classes pertinent to supporting licensing and attribution requirements and complements. These classes could be used at webpage level or within relevant microformats, e.g., [[media-info]].<br />
<br />
The first column may be too URL-centric, see notes for parent work, may apply to others.<br />
<br />
<table border="1" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="2"><br />
<tr><th>Overly descriptive strawman not intended to conform with any convention</th><th>[[existing-classes|Existing class(es)]]; source</th><th>Notes</th></tr><br />
<br />
<tr><br />
<td>work title</td><br />
<td>fn; hCard</td><br />
<td>See [[licensing-examples#Attribution_with_work_title|examples#title]]</td><br />
</tr><br />
<br />
<tr><br />
<td>attribution name, creator?</td><br />
<td>author; hAtom, [[hcard]]</td><br />
<td>Might be a vcard with fn, may also be an organization<br />
<br/>See [[licensing-examples#Attribution_to_creator|examples#attribution]]</td><br />
</tr><br />
<br />
<tr><br />
<td>attribution url</td><br />
<td>url; hCard</td><br />
<td>An author might have a url, should this be taken as the attribution url? If a work has a url, should it be taken as the attribution url?<br />
<br/>See [[licensing-examples#Attribution_with_link_required|examples#link]]</td><br />
</tr><br />
<br />
<tr><br />
<td>donation url</td><br />
<td>payment; rel-payment<br/><br />
offer; hListing</td><br />
<td>How to disambiguate from commercial licensing and purchase?<br />
<br/>See [[licensing-examples#Donation_related_to_work|examples#donation]]</td><br />
</tr><br />
<br />
<tr><br />
<td>commercial licensing url</td><br />
<td>payment; rel-payment<br/><br />
sell, offer; hListing<br/><br />
copyright; HTML LinkType</td><br />
<td>How to disambiguate from donation and purchase?<br />
<br/>See [[licensing-examples#Commercial_licensing|examples#commercial]]</td><br />
</tr><br />
<br />
<tr><br />
<td>purchase url</td><br />
<td>payment; rel-payment<br/><br />
sell, offer; hListing</td><br />
<td>How to disambiguate from donation and commercial licensing?<br />
<br/>See [[licensing-examples#Purchase_related_media|examples#purchase]]</td><br />
</tr><br />
<br />
<tr><br />
<td>content hash</td><br />
<td>checksum, sha1; [[hash-examples]]</td><br />
<td>See [[licensing-examples#License_notice_with_content_hash|examples#hash]]</td><br />
</tr><br />
<br />
<tr><br />
<td>provenance url<td><br />
<td> See [[licensing-examples#Rights_provenance.2Fwarranty.2Fidemnification|examples#provenance]] </td><br />
</tr><br />
<br />
<tr><br />
<td>parent work <em>url?</em>, derivitave-source</td><br />
<td></td><br />
<td>Should this be a url? Maybe it should be a TBD "media" microformat which may be otherwise described.<br />
<br/>See [[licensing-examples#Attribution_to_derivative.27s_source_work|examples#derivative]]<br/><br />
Probably should be a URL -- a uf can have a #URL if it has an id.</td><br />
</tr><br />
<br />
<tr><br />
<td>attribution, copied-source</td><br />
<td></td><br />
<td>Shows where the media was immediately copied from (not necessarily the same as its original source). Has the same challenges as derivative-source. Perhaps use the approach loosely outlined in [[licensing-brainstorming#Attribution_Challenges|Attribution Challenges]]</td><br />
</tr><br />
<br />
<tr><br />
<td>source</td><br />
<td></td><br />
<td>Like 'copied-source' but points to the original source.</td><br />
</tr><br />
<br />
</table><br />
<br />
== Attribution Challenges ==<br />
<br />
Tags dealing with specifying sources and tracking a piece of media's path through the Web (any of the -source tags above) are a little ambiguous in terms of what they can reference. For instance when specifying a derivative work it could be from another image on the Internet, in which case an URL would be appropriate, or it could be a quotation from a magazine or other "real" world source where an URL doesn't really work. Perhaps we can encourage the content of these 'media source' tags to be one of the following:<br />
<table border="1" cellpadding="3"><br />
<tr><br />
<th>Media source type</th><br />
<th>Format</th><br />
<th>Notes</th><br />
</tr><br />
<tr><br />
<td>Internet source</td><br />
<td>An URL</td><br />
<td></td><br />
</tr><br />
<tr><br />
<td>Person</td><br />
<td>[[hcard]]</td><br />
<td></td><br />
</tr><br />
<tr><br />
<td>Publication <br />(book, magazine, etc.)</td><br />
<td>[[citation]]</td><br />
<td>Citation appears to be heavily weighed towards academia but it looks like it should work for most purposes</td><br />
</tr><br />
<tr><br />
<td>Film/Video</td><br />
<td> ?? </td><br />
<td>I'm not sure about this one. Would citation stretch over visual media? Perhaps [[media-info]]?</td><br />
</tr><br />
</table><br />
<br />
== Strawman example ==<br />
Perhaps there should be an 'attribution' class which might hint that a fn or url should be used for attribution? Something like (webpage scope):<br />
<br />
<pre><br />
<nowiki><br />
<a class="url attribution fn" href="http://example.com">My First Cookbook</a><br />
<div class="author vcard"><br />
<div class="fn attribution">J Doe</div><br />
</div><br />
<a rel="license" href="http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/2.5/">(cc)</a><br />
<a rel="payment" href="http://paypal.com/...">don't let me starve</a><br />
</nowiki><br />
</pre><br />
<br />
<br />
== Strawman example for media ==<br />
<br />
Note the [[media-info]] is not even defined yet, this is not even strawman quality.<br />
<br />
<pre><br />
<nowiki><br />
<div class="media"><br />
<img class="url attribution mediaitem" src="http://example.com/cake.jpg"/><br />
<span class="fn">Picture of a giant cake</span><br />
<div class="author vcard"><br />
<div class="fn attribution">J Doe</div><br />
</div><br />
<a rel="license" href="http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc/2.5/">(cc)</a><br />
<a rel="payment" href="http://paypal.com/...">don't let me <s>starve</s>eat cake</a><br />
<a rel="payment" href="http://artdelivery.example">buy this pic, framed</a><br />
<a rel="payment" href="http://photoclearing.example">get commercial rights</a><br />
...<br />
</div><br />
</nowiki><br />
</pre><br />
<br />
<br />
== Todo ==<br />
* Answer questions above and those not posed<br />
* Discover and fix gratuitous problems with the above<br />
* Examples working with [[media-info]]<br />
<br />
= Creative Commons Vocab =<br />
<br />
Creative Commons has an [http://creativecommons.org/ns RDF vocabulary] which may be suitable for reuse. Here is an example using the Creative Commons vocab. It goes a long way to meeting all the stated requirements.<br />
<br />
<pre><nowiki><br />
<div class="License"><br />
<a rev="license" href="http://example.org/work">The work</a> is licensed under<br />
the <a rel="legalcode" href="http://example.org/foo">Foo Licence</a>. <br />
Summary: it permits <abbr title="DerivativeWorks" class="permits">derivative<br />
works</abbr> but requires <abbr title="Attribution" class="requires"<br />
>attribution</abbr>. The credit to give when reusing the work is "<span <br />
class="vcard"><a href="http://tobyinkster.co.uk" class="fn url<br />
attributionName" rel="attributionURL">Toby Inkster</a></span>".<br />
</div><br />
</nowiki></pre><br />
<br />
The microformat could use the following terms:<br />
<br />
* '''License''' {1} (root class name)<br />
** legalcode ? (rel value, not class)<br />
** ''morePermissions'' * (rel value, not class)<br />
** ''permits'' * ("Reproduction" | "Distribution" | "DerivativeWorks" | "HighIncomeNationUse" | "Sharing")<br />
** ''requires'' * ("CopyrightNotices" | "Attribution" | "ShareAlike" | "SourceCode")<br />
** ''prohibits'' * ("CommercialUse")<br />
** ''jurisdiction'' * (text | hCard | adr)<br />
** attributionName ?<br />
** attributionURL ? (rel value, not class)<br />
** deprecatedOn ? (ISO date)<br />
<br />
The license linked to using rel="legalcode" (if any) should be taken to be the definitive license. When such a license is present, the "permits", "requires", "prohibits" and "jurisdiction" classes are taken to be merely advisory. When no "legalcode" license is linked to, these classes are definitive.<br />
<br />
[[rel-license]] {{should}} be used to link from the work to the license (an ID attribute on the license will help). A license {{may}} link back to the work using rev="license", but forward links are preferred.<br />
<br />
As an extension to the creative commons vocabulary (which focuses on open-source-like licenses) a payment URL {{may}} be linked to using an anchor element simultaneously carrying class="requires" and rel="payment". Example:<br />
<br />
<pre><nowiki><br />
<a class="requires" rel="payment" href="https://payment.example.org">buy</a><br />
</nowiki></pre><br />
<br />
If [[rel-payment]] is used without a class of "requires", then the link is taken to be an optional payment link - i.e. a donation.</div>RobLintonhttp://microformats.org/wiki/index.php?title=licensing-brainstorming&diff=28456licensing-brainstorming2008-08-29T23:42:12Z<p>RobLinton: /* Discussion */</p>
<hr />
<div>= Licensing Brainstorming =<br />
<br />
The very beginning.<br />
<br />
See [[licensing]] for background.<br />
<br />
<br />
== Discussion ==<br />
<br />
Set of classes pertinent to supporting licensing and attribution requirements and complements. These classes could be used at webpage level or within relevant microformats, e.g., [[media-info]].<br />
<br />
The first column may be too URL-centric, see notes for parent work, may apply to others.<br />
<br />
<table border="1" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="2"><br />
<tr><th>Overly descriptive strawman not intended to conform with any convention</th><th>[[existing-classes|Existing class(es)]]; source</th><th>Notes</th></tr><br />
<br />
<tr><br />
<td>work title</td><br />
<td>fn; hCard</td><br />
<td>See [[licensing-examples#Attribution_with_work_title|examples#title]]</td><br />
</tr><br />
<br />
<tr><br />
<td>attribution name, creator?</td><br />
<td>author; hAtom, [[hcard]]</td><br />
<td>Might be a vcard with fn, may also be an organization<br />
<br/>See [[licensing-examples#Attribution_to_creator|examples#attribution]]</td><br />
</tr><br />
<br />
<tr><br />
<td>attribution url</td><br />
<td>url; hCard</td><br />
<td>An author might have a url, should this be taken as the attribution url? If a work has a url, should it be taken as the attribution url?<br />
<br/>See [[licensing-examples#Attribution_with_link_required|examples#link]]</td><br />
</tr><br />
<br />
<tr><br />
<td>donation url</td><br />
<td>payment; rel-payment<br/><br />
offer; hListing</td><br />
<td>How to disambiguate from commercial licensing and purchase?<br />
<br/>See [[licensing-examples#Donation_related_to_work|examples#donation]]</td><br />
</tr><br />
<br />
<tr><br />
<td>commercial licensing url</td><br />
<td>payment; rel-payment<br/><br />
sell, offer; hListing<br/><br />
copyright; HTML LinkType</td><br />
<td>How to disambiguate from donation and purchase?<br />
<br/>See [[licensing-examples#Commercial_licensing|examples#commercial]]</td><br />
</tr><br />
<br />
<tr><br />
<td>purchase url</td><br />
<td>payment; rel-payment<br/><br />
sell, offer; hListing</td><br />
<td>How to disambiguate from donation and commercial licensing?<br />
<br/>See [[licensing-examples#Purchase_related_media|examples#purchase]]</td><br />
</tr><br />
<br />
<tr><br />
<td>content hash</td><br />
<td>checksum, sha1; [[hash-examples]]</td><br />
<td>See [[licensing-examples#License_notice_with_content_hash|examples#hash]]</td><br />
</tr><br />
<br />
<tr><br />
<td>provenance url<td><br />
<td> See [[licensing-examples#Rights_provenance.2Fwarranty.2Fidemnification|examples#provenance]] </td><br />
</tr><br />
<br />
<tr><br />
<td>parent work <em>url?</em>, derivitave-source</td><br />
<td></td><br />
<td>Should this be a url? Maybe it should be a TBD "media" microformat which may be otherwise described.<br />
<br/>See [[licensing-examples#Attribution_to_derivative.27s_source_work|examples#derivative]]<br/><br />
Probably should be a URL -- a uf can have a #URL if it has an id.</td><br />
</tr><br />
<br />
<tr><br />
<td>attribution, copied-source</td><br />
<td></td><br />
<td>Shows where the media was immediately copied from (not necessarily the same as its original source). Has the same challenges as derivative-source. Perhaps use the approach loosely outlined in [[licensing-brainstorming#Attribution_Challenges|Attribution Challenges]]</td><br />
</tr><br />
<br />
<tr><br />
<td>source</td><br />
<td></td><br />
<td>Like 'copied-source' but points to the original source.</td><br />
</tr><br />
<br />
</table><br />
<br />
== Attribution Challenges ==<br />
<br />
Tags dealing with specifying sources and tracking a piece of media's path through the Web are a little ambiguous in terms of what they can reference. For instance when specifying a derivative work it could be from another image on the Internet, in which case an URL would be appropriate, or it could be a quotation from a magazine or other "real" world source where an URL doesn't really work. Perhaps we can encourage the content of these 'media source' tags to be one of the following:<br />
<table border="1" cellpadding="3"><br />
<tr><br />
<th>Media source type</th><br />
<th>Format</th><br />
<th>Notes</th><br />
</tr><br />
<tr><br />
<td>Internet source</td><br />
<td>An URL</td><br />
<td></td><br />
</tr><br />
<tr><br />
<td>Person</td><br />
<td>[[hcard]]</td><br />
<td></td><br />
</tr><br />
<tr><br />
<td>Publication <br />(book, magazine, etc.)</td><br />
<td>[[citation]]</td><br />
<td>Citation appears to be heavily weighed towards academia but it looks like it should work for most purposes</td><br />
</tr><br />
<tr><br />
<td>Film/Video</td><br />
<td> ?? </td><br />
<td>I'm not sure about this one. Would citation stretch over visual media? Perhaps [[media-info]]?</td><br />
</tr><br />
</table><br />
<br />
<br />
== Strawman example ==<br />
Perhaps there should be an 'attribution' class which might hint that a fn or url should be used for attribution? Something like (webpage scope):<br />
<br />
<pre><br />
<nowiki><br />
<a class="url attribution fn" href="http://example.com">My First Cookbook</a><br />
<div class="author vcard"><br />
<div class="fn attribution">J Doe</div><br />
</div><br />
<a rel="license" href="http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/2.5/">(cc)</a><br />
<a rel="payment" href="http://paypal.com/...">don't let me starve</a><br />
</nowiki><br />
</pre><br />
<br />
<br />
== Strawman example for media ==<br />
<br />
Note the [[media-info]] is not even defined yet, this is not even strawman quality.<br />
<br />
<pre><br />
<nowiki><br />
<div class="media"><br />
<img class="url attribution mediaitem" src="http://example.com/cake.jpg"/><br />
<span class="fn">Picture of a giant cake</span><br />
<div class="author vcard"><br />
<div class="fn attribution">J Doe</div><br />
</div><br />
<a rel="license" href="http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc/2.5/">(cc)</a><br />
<a rel="payment" href="http://paypal.com/...">don't let me <s>starve</s>eat cake</a><br />
<a rel="payment" href="http://artdelivery.example">buy this pic, framed</a><br />
<a rel="payment" href="http://photoclearing.example">get commercial rights</a><br />
...<br />
</div><br />
</nowiki><br />
</pre><br />
<br />
<br />
== Todo ==<br />
* Answer questions above and those not posed<br />
* Discover and fix gratuitous problems with the above<br />
* Examples working with [[media-info]]<br />
<br />
= Creative Commons Vocab =<br />
<br />
Creative Commons has an [http://creativecommons.org/ns RDF vocabulary] which may be suitable for reuse. Here is an example using the Creative Commons vocab. It goes a long way to meeting all the stated requirements.<br />
<br />
<pre><nowiki><br />
<div class="License"><br />
<a rev="license" href="http://example.org/work">The work</a> is licensed under<br />
the <a rel="legalcode" href="http://example.org/foo">Foo Licence</a>. <br />
Summary: it permits <abbr title="DerivativeWorks" class="permits">derivative<br />
works</abbr> but requires <abbr title="Attribution" class="requires"<br />
>attribution</abbr>. The credit to give when reusing the work is "<span <br />
class="vcard"><a href="http://tobyinkster.co.uk" class="fn url<br />
attributionName" rel="attributionURL">Toby Inkster</a></span>".<br />
</div><br />
</nowiki></pre><br />
<br />
The microformat could use the following terms:<br />
<br />
* '''License''' {1} (root class name)<br />
** legalcode ? (rel value, not class)<br />
** ''morePermissions'' * (rel value, not class)<br />
** ''permits'' * ("Reproduction" | "Distribution" | "DerivativeWorks" | "HighIncomeNationUse" | "Sharing")<br />
** ''requires'' * ("CopyrightNotices" | "Attribution" | "ShareAlike" | "SourceCode")<br />
** ''prohibits'' * ("CommercialUse")<br />
** ''jurisdiction'' * (text | hCard | adr)<br />
** attributionName ?<br />
** attributionURL ? (rel value, not class)<br />
** deprecatedOn ? (ISO date)<br />
<br />
The license linked to using rel="legalcode" (if any) should be taken to be the definitive license. When such a license is present, the "permits", "requires", "prohibits" and "jurisdiction" classes are taken to be merely advisory. When no "legalcode" license is linked to, these classes are definitive.<br />
<br />
[[rel-license]] {{should}} be used to link from the work to the license (an ID attribute on the license will help). A license {{may}} link back to the work using rev="license", but forward links are preferred.<br />
<br />
As an extension to the creative commons vocabulary (which focuses on open-source-like licenses) a payment URL {{may}} be linked to using an anchor element simultaneously carrying class="requires" and rel="payment". Example:<br />
<br />
<pre><nowiki><br />
<a class="requires" rel="payment" href="https://payment.example.org">buy</a><br />
</nowiki></pre><br />
<br />
If [[rel-payment]] is used without a class of "requires", then the link is taken to be an optional payment link - i.e. a donation.</div>RobLintonhttp://microformats.org/wiki/index.php?title=licensing-brainstorming&diff=28455licensing-brainstorming2008-08-29T23:41:34Z<p>RobLinton: /* Discussion */</p>
<hr />
<div>= Licensing Brainstorming =<br />
<br />
The very beginning.<br />
<br />
See [[licensing]] for background.<br />
<br />
<br />
== Discussion ==<br />
<br />
Set of classes pertinent to supporting licensing and attribution requirements and complements. These classes could be used at webpage level or within relevant microformats, e.g., [[media-info]].<br />
<br />
The first column may be too URL-centric, see notes for parent work, may apply to others.<br />
<br />
<table border="1" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="2"><br />
<tr><th>Overly descriptive strawman not intended to conform with any convention</th><th>[[existing-classes|Existing class(es)]]; source</th><th>Notes</th></tr><br />
<br />
<tr><br />
<td>work title</td><br />
<td>fn; hCard</td><br />
<td>See [[licensing-examples#Attribution_with_work_title|examples#title]]</td><br />
</tr><br />
<br />
<tr><br />
<td>attribution name, creator?</td><br />
<td>author; hAtom, [[hcard]]</td><br />
<td>Might be a vcard with fn, may also be an organization<br />
<br/>See [[licensing-examples#Attribution_to_creator|examples#attribution]]</td><br />
</tr><br />
<br />
<tr><br />
<td>attribution url</td><br />
<td>url; hCard</td><br />
<td>An author might have a url, should this be taken as the attribution url? If a work has a url, should it be taken as the attribution url?<br />
<br/>See [[licensing-examples#Attribution_with_link_required|examples#link]]</td><br />
</tr><br />
<br />
<tr><br />
<td>donation url</td><br />
<td>payment; rel-payment<br/><br />
offer; hListing</td><br />
<td>How to disambiguate from commercial licensing and purchase?<br />
<br/>See [[licensing-examples#Donation_related_to_work|examples#donation]]</td><br />
</tr><br />
<br />
<tr><br />
<td>commercial licensing url</td><br />
<td>payment; rel-payment<br/><br />
sell, offer; hListing<br/><br />
copyright; HTML LinkType</td><br />
<td>How to disambiguate from donation and purchase?<br />
<br/>See [[licensing-examples#Commercial_licensing|examples#commercial]]</td><br />
</tr><br />
<br />
<tr><br />
<td>purchase url</td><br />
<td>payment; rel-payment<br/><br />
sell, offer; hListing</td><br />
<td>How to disambiguate from donation and commercial licensing?<br />
<br/>See [[licensing-examples#Purchase_related_media|examples#purchase]]</td><br />
</tr><br />
<br />
<tr><br />
<td>content hash</td><br />
<td>checksum, sha1; [[hash-examples]]</td><br />
<td>See [[licensing-examples#License_notice_with_content_hash|examples#hash]]</td><br />
</tr><br />
<br />
<tr><br />
<td>provenance url<td><br />
<td> &nbsp; </td><br />
<td> See [[licensing-examples#Rights_provenance.2Fwarranty.2Fidemnification|examples#provenance]] </td><br />
</tr><br />
<br />
<tr><br />
<td>parent work <em>url?</em>, derivitave-source</td><br />
<td></td><br />
<td>Should this be a url? Maybe it should be a TBD "media" microformat which may be otherwise described.<br />
<br/>See [[licensing-examples#Attribution_to_derivative.27s_source_work|examples#derivative]]<br/><br />
Probably should be a URL -- a uf can have a #URL if it has an id.</td><br />
</tr><br />
<br />
<tr><br />
<td>attribution, copied-source</td><br />
<td></td><br />
<td>Shows where the media was immediately copied from (not necessarily the same as its original source). Has the same challenges as derivative-source. Perhaps use the approach loosely outlined in [[licensing-brainstorming#Attribution_Challenges|Attribution Challenges]]</td><br />
</tr><br />
<br />
<tr><br />
<td>source</td><br />
<td></td><br />
<td>Like 'copied-source' but points to the original source.</td><br />
</tr><br />
<br />
</table><br />
<br />
== Attribution Challenges ==<br />
<br />
Tags dealing with specifying sources and tracking a piece of media's path through the Web are a little ambiguous in terms of what they can reference. For instance when specifying a derivative work it could be from another image on the Internet, in which case an URL would be appropriate, or it could be a quotation from a magazine or other "real" world source where an URL doesn't really work. Perhaps we can encourage the content of these 'media source' tags to be one of the following:<br />
<table border="1" cellpadding="3"><br />
<tr><br />
<th>Media source type</th><br />
<th>Format</th><br />
<th>Notes</th><br />
</tr><br />
<tr><br />
<td>Internet source</td><br />
<td>An URL</td><br />
<td></td><br />
</tr><br />
<tr><br />
<td>Person</td><br />
<td>[[hcard]]</td><br />
<td></td><br />
</tr><br />
<tr><br />
<td>Publication <br />(book, magazine, etc.)</td><br />
<td>[[citation]]</td><br />
<td>Citation appears to be heavily weighed towards academia but it looks like it should work for most purposes</td><br />
</tr><br />
<tr><br />
<td>Film/Video</td><br />
<td> ?? </td><br />
<td>I'm not sure about this one. Would citation stretch over visual media? Perhaps [[media-info]]?</td><br />
</tr><br />
</table><br />
<br />
<br />
== Strawman example ==<br />
Perhaps there should be an 'attribution' class which might hint that a fn or url should be used for attribution? Something like (webpage scope):<br />
<br />
<pre><br />
<nowiki><br />
<a class="url attribution fn" href="http://example.com">My First Cookbook</a><br />
<div class="author vcard"><br />
<div class="fn attribution">J Doe</div><br />
</div><br />
<a rel="license" href="http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/2.5/">(cc)</a><br />
<a rel="payment" href="http://paypal.com/...">don't let me starve</a><br />
</nowiki><br />
</pre><br />
<br />
<br />
== Strawman example for media ==<br />
<br />
Note the [[media-info]] is not even defined yet, this is not even strawman quality.<br />
<br />
<pre><br />
<nowiki><br />
<div class="media"><br />
<img class="url attribution mediaitem" src="http://example.com/cake.jpg"/><br />
<span class="fn">Picture of a giant cake</span><br />
<div class="author vcard"><br />
<div class="fn attribution">J Doe</div><br />
</div><br />
<a rel="license" href="http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc/2.5/">(cc)</a><br />
<a rel="payment" href="http://paypal.com/...">don't let me <s>starve</s>eat cake</a><br />
<a rel="payment" href="http://artdelivery.example">buy this pic, framed</a><br />
<a rel="payment" href="http://photoclearing.example">get commercial rights</a><br />
...<br />
</div><br />
</nowiki><br />
</pre><br />
<br />
<br />
== Todo ==<br />
* Answer questions above and those not posed<br />
* Discover and fix gratuitous problems with the above<br />
* Examples working with [[media-info]]<br />
<br />
= Creative Commons Vocab =<br />
<br />
Creative Commons has an [http://creativecommons.org/ns RDF vocabulary] which may be suitable for reuse. Here is an example using the Creative Commons vocab. It goes a long way to meeting all the stated requirements.<br />
<br />
<pre><nowiki><br />
<div class="License"><br />
<a rev="license" href="http://example.org/work">The work</a> is licensed under<br />
the <a rel="legalcode" href="http://example.org/foo">Foo Licence</a>. <br />
Summary: it permits <abbr title="DerivativeWorks" class="permits">derivative<br />
works</abbr> but requires <abbr title="Attribution" class="requires"<br />
>attribution</abbr>. The credit to give when reusing the work is "<span <br />
class="vcard"><a href="http://tobyinkster.co.uk" class="fn url<br />
attributionName" rel="attributionURL">Toby Inkster</a></span>".<br />
</div><br />
</nowiki></pre><br />
<br />
The microformat could use the following terms:<br />
<br />
* '''License''' {1} (root class name)<br />
** legalcode ? (rel value, not class)<br />
** ''morePermissions'' * (rel value, not class)<br />
** ''permits'' * ("Reproduction" | "Distribution" | "DerivativeWorks" | "HighIncomeNationUse" | "Sharing")<br />
** ''requires'' * ("CopyrightNotices" | "Attribution" | "ShareAlike" | "SourceCode")<br />
** ''prohibits'' * ("CommercialUse")<br />
** ''jurisdiction'' * (text | hCard | adr)<br />
** attributionName ?<br />
** attributionURL ? (rel value, not class)<br />
** deprecatedOn ? (ISO date)<br />
<br />
The license linked to using rel="legalcode" (if any) should be taken to be the definitive license. When such a license is present, the "permits", "requires", "prohibits" and "jurisdiction" classes are taken to be merely advisory. When no "legalcode" license is linked to, these classes are definitive.<br />
<br />
[[rel-license]] {{should}} be used to link from the work to the license (an ID attribute on the license will help). A license {{may}} link back to the work using rev="license", but forward links are preferred.<br />
<br />
As an extension to the creative commons vocabulary (which focuses on open-source-like licenses) a payment URL {{may}} be linked to using an anchor element simultaneously carrying class="requires" and rel="payment". Example:<br />
<br />
<pre><nowiki><br />
<a class="requires" rel="payment" href="https://payment.example.org">buy</a><br />
</nowiki></pre><br />
<br />
If [[rel-payment]] is used without a class of "requires", then the link is taken to be an optional payment link - i.e. a donation.</div>RobLintonhttp://microformats.org/wiki/index.php?title=licensing-brainstorming&diff=28454licensing-brainstorming2008-08-29T23:39:34Z<p>RobLinton: /* Discussion */</p>
<hr />
<div>= Licensing Brainstorming =<br />
<br />
The very beginning.<br />
<br />
See [[licensing]] for background.<br />
<br />
<br />
== Discussion ==<br />
<br />
Set of classes pertinent to supporting licensing and attribution requirements and complements. These classes could be used at webpage level or within relevant microformats, e.g., [[media-info]].<br />
<br />
The first column may be too URL-centric, see notes for parent work, may apply to others.<br />
<br />
<table border="1" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="2"><br />
<tr><th>Overly descriptive strawman not intended to conform with any convention</th><th>[[existing-classes|Existing class(es)]]; source</th><th>Notes</th></tr><br />
<br />
<tr><br />
<td>work title</td><br />
<td>fn; hCard</td><br />
<td>See [[licensing-examples#Attribution_with_work_title|examples#title]]</td><br />
</tr><br />
<br />
<tr><br />
<td>attribution name, creator?</td><br />
<td>author; hAtom, [[hcard]]</td><br />
<td>Might be a vcard with fn, may also be an organization<br />
<br/>See [[licensing-examples#Attribution_to_creator|examples#attribution]]</td><br />
</tr><br />
<br />
<tr><br />
<td>attribution url</td><br />
<td>url; hCard</td><br />
<td>An author might have a url, should this be taken as the attribution url? If a work has a url, should it be taken as the attribution url?<br />
<br/>See [[licensing-examples#Attribution_with_link_required|examples#link]]</td><br />
</tr><br />
<br />
<tr><br />
<td>donation url</td><br />
<td>payment; rel-payment<br/><br />
offer; hListing</td><br />
<td>How to disambiguate from commercial licensing and purchase?<br />
<br/>See [[licensing-examples#Donation_related_to_work|examples#donation]]</td><br />
</tr><br />
<br />
<tr><br />
<td>commercial licensing url</td><br />
<td>payment; rel-payment<br/><br />
sell, offer; hListing<br/><br />
copyright; HTML LinkType</td><br />
<td>How to disambiguate from donation and purchase?<br />
<br/>See [[licensing-examples#Commercial_licensing|examples#commercial]]</td><br />
</tr><br />
<br />
<tr><br />
<td>purchase url</td><br />
<td>payment; rel-payment<br/><br />
sell, offer; hListing</td><br />
<td>How to disambiguate from donation and commercial licensing?<br />
<br/>See [[licensing-examples#Purchase_related_media|examples#purchase]]</td><br />
</tr><br />
<br />
<tr><br />
<td>content hash</td><br />
<td>checksum, sha1; [[hash-examples]]</td><br />
<td>See [[licensing-examples#License_notice_with_content_hash|examples#hash]]</td><br />
</tr><br />
<br />
<tr><br />
<td>provenance url<td><br />
<td></td><br />
<td>See [[licensing-examples#Rights_provenance.2Fwarranty.2Fidemnification|examples#provenance]]</td><br />
</tr><br />
<br />
<tr><br />
<td>parent work <em>url?</em>, derivitave-source</td><br />
<td></td><br />
<td>Should this be a url? Maybe it should be a TBD "media" microformat which may be otherwise described.<br />
<br/>See [[licensing-examples#Attribution_to_derivative.27s_source_work|examples#derivative]]<br/><br />
Probably should be a URL -- a uf can have a #URL if it has an id.</td><br />
</tr><br />
<br />
<tr><br />
<td>attribution, copied-source</td><br />
<td></td><br />
<td>Shows where the media was immediately copied from (not necessarily the same as its original source). Has the same challenges as derivative-source. Perhaps use the approach loosely outlined in [[licensing-brainstorming#Attribution_Challenges|Attribution Challenges]]</td><br />
</tr><br />
<br />
<tr><br />
<td>source</td><br />
<td></td><br />
<td>Like 'copied-source' but points to the original source.</td><br />
</tr><br />
<br />
</table><br />
<br />
== Attribution Challenges ==<br />
<br />
Tags dealing with specifying sources and tracking a piece of media's path through the Web are a little ambiguous in terms of what they can reference. For instance when specifying a derivative work it could be from another image on the Internet, in which case an URL would be appropriate, or it could be a quotation from a magazine or other "real" world source where an URL doesn't really work. Perhaps we can encourage the content of these 'media source' tags to be one of the following:<br />
<table border="1" cellpadding="3"><br />
<tr><br />
<th>Media source type</th><br />
<th>Format</th><br />
<th>Notes</th><br />
</tr><br />
<tr><br />
<td>Internet source</td><br />
<td>An URL</td><br />
<td></td><br />
</tr><br />
<tr><br />
<td>Person</td><br />
<td>[[hcard]]</td><br />
<td></td><br />
</tr><br />
<tr><br />
<td>Publication <br />(book, magazine, etc.)</td><br />
<td>[[citation]]</td><br />
<td>Citation appears to be heavily weighed towards academia but it looks like it should work for most purposes</td><br />
</tr><br />
<tr><br />
<td>Film/Video</td><br />
<td> ?? </td><br />
<td>I'm not sure about this one. Would citation stretch over visual media? Perhaps [[media-info]]?</td><br />
</tr><br />
</table><br />
<br />
<br />
== Strawman example ==<br />
Perhaps there should be an 'attribution' class which might hint that a fn or url should be used for attribution? Something like (webpage scope):<br />
<br />
<pre><br />
<nowiki><br />
<a class="url attribution fn" href="http://example.com">My First Cookbook</a><br />
<div class="author vcard"><br />
<div class="fn attribution">J Doe</div><br />
</div><br />
<a rel="license" href="http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/2.5/">(cc)</a><br />
<a rel="payment" href="http://paypal.com/...">don't let me starve</a><br />
</nowiki><br />
</pre><br />
<br />
<br />
== Strawman example for media ==<br />
<br />
Note the [[media-info]] is not even defined yet, this is not even strawman quality.<br />
<br />
<pre><br />
<nowiki><br />
<div class="media"><br />
<img class="url attribution mediaitem" src="http://example.com/cake.jpg"/><br />
<span class="fn">Picture of a giant cake</span><br />
<div class="author vcard"><br />
<div class="fn attribution">J Doe</div><br />
</div><br />
<a rel="license" href="http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc/2.5/">(cc)</a><br />
<a rel="payment" href="http://paypal.com/...">don't let me <s>starve</s>eat cake</a><br />
<a rel="payment" href="http://artdelivery.example">buy this pic, framed</a><br />
<a rel="payment" href="http://photoclearing.example">get commercial rights</a><br />
...<br />
</div><br />
</nowiki><br />
</pre><br />
<br />
<br />
== Todo ==<br />
* Answer questions above and those not posed<br />
* Discover and fix gratuitous problems with the above<br />
* Examples working with [[media-info]]<br />
<br />
= Creative Commons Vocab =<br />
<br />
Creative Commons has an [http://creativecommons.org/ns RDF vocabulary] which may be suitable for reuse. Here is an example using the Creative Commons vocab. It goes a long way to meeting all the stated requirements.<br />
<br />
<pre><nowiki><br />
<div class="License"><br />
<a rev="license" href="http://example.org/work">The work</a> is licensed under<br />
the <a rel="legalcode" href="http://example.org/foo">Foo Licence</a>. <br />
Summary: it permits <abbr title="DerivativeWorks" class="permits">derivative<br />
works</abbr> but requires <abbr title="Attribution" class="requires"<br />
>attribution</abbr>. The credit to give when reusing the work is "<span <br />
class="vcard"><a href="http://tobyinkster.co.uk" class="fn url<br />
attributionName" rel="attributionURL">Toby Inkster</a></span>".<br />
</div><br />
</nowiki></pre><br />
<br />
The microformat could use the following terms:<br />
<br />
* '''License''' {1} (root class name)<br />
** legalcode ? (rel value, not class)<br />
** ''morePermissions'' * (rel value, not class)<br />
** ''permits'' * ("Reproduction" | "Distribution" | "DerivativeWorks" | "HighIncomeNationUse" | "Sharing")<br />
** ''requires'' * ("CopyrightNotices" | "Attribution" | "ShareAlike" | "SourceCode")<br />
** ''prohibits'' * ("CommercialUse")<br />
** ''jurisdiction'' * (text | hCard | adr)<br />
** attributionName ?<br />
** attributionURL ? (rel value, not class)<br />
** deprecatedOn ? (ISO date)<br />
<br />
The license linked to using rel="legalcode" (if any) should be taken to be the definitive license. When such a license is present, the "permits", "requires", "prohibits" and "jurisdiction" classes are taken to be merely advisory. When no "legalcode" license is linked to, these classes are definitive.<br />
<br />
[[rel-license]] {{should}} be used to link from the work to the license (an ID attribute on the license will help). A license {{may}} link back to the work using rev="license", but forward links are preferred.<br />
<br />
As an extension to the creative commons vocabulary (which focuses on open-source-like licenses) a payment URL {{may}} be linked to using an anchor element simultaneously carrying class="requires" and rel="payment". Example:<br />
<br />
<pre><nowiki><br />
<a class="requires" rel="payment" href="https://payment.example.org">buy</a><br />
</nowiki></pre><br />
<br />
If [[rel-payment]] is used without a class of "requires", then the link is taken to be an optional payment link - i.e. a donation.</div>RobLintonhttp://microformats.org/wiki/index.php?title=licensing-brainstorming&diff=28453licensing-brainstorming2008-07-17T21:55:23Z<p>RobLinton: /* Discussion */</p>
<hr />
<div>= Licensing Brainstorming =<br />
<br />
The very beginning.<br />
<br />
See [[licensing]] for background.<br />
<br />
<br />
== Discussion ==<br />
<br />
Set of classes pertinent to supporting licensing and attribution requirements and complements. These classes could be used at webpage level or within relevant microformats, e.g., [[media-info]].<br />
<br />
The first column may be too URL-centric, see notes for parent work, may apply to others.<br />
<br />
<table border="1" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="2"><br />
<tr><th>Overly descriptive strawman not intended to conform with any convention</th><th>[[existing-classes|Existing class(es)]]; source</th><th>Notes</th></tr><br />
<br />
<tr><br />
<td>work title</td><br />
<td>fn; hCard</td><br />
<td>See [[licensing-examples#Attribution_with_work_title|examples#title]]</td><br />
</tr><br />
<br />
<tr><br />
<td>attribution name, creator?</td><br />
<td>author; hAtom, [[hcard]]</td><br />
<td>Might be a vcard with fn, may also be an organization<br />
<br/>See [[licensing-examples#Attribution_to_creator|examples#attribution]]</td><br />
</tr><br />
<br />
<tr><br />
<td>attribution url</td><br />
<td>url; hCard</td><br />
<td>An author might have a url, should this be taken as the attribution url? If a work has a url, should it be taken as the attribution url?<br />
<br/>See [[licensing-examples#Attribution_with_link_required|examples#link]]</td><br />
</tr><br />
<br />
<tr><br />
<td>donation url</td><br />
<td>payment; rel-payment<br/><br />
offer; hListing</td><br />
<td>How to disambiguate from commercial licensing and purchase?<br />
<br/>See [[licensing-examples#Donation_related_to_work|examples#donation]]</td><br />
</tr><br />
<br />
<tr><br />
<td>commercial licensing url</td><br />
<td>payment; rel-payment<br/><br />
sell, offer; hListing<br/><br />
copyright; HTML LinkType</td><br />
<td>How to disambiguate from donation and purchase?<br />
<br/>See [[licensing-examples#Commercial_licensing|examples#commercial]]</td><br />
</tr><br />
<br />
<tr><br />
<td>purchase url</td><br />
<td>payment; rel-payment<br/><br />
sell, offer; hListing</td><br />
<td>How to disambiguate from donation and commercial licensing?<br />
<br/>See [[licensing-examples#Purchase_related_media|examples#purchase]]</td><br />
</tr><br />
<br />
<tr><br />
<td>content hash</td><br />
<td>checksum, sha1; [[hash-examples]]</td><br />
<td>See [[licensing-examples#License_notice_with_content_hash|examples#hash]]</td><br />
</tr><br />
<br />
<tr><br />
<td>provenance url</td><br />
<td></td><br />
<td>See [[licensing-examples#Rights_provenance.2Fwarranty.2Fidemnification|examples#provenance]]</td><br />
</tr><br />
<br />
<tr><br />
<td>parent work <em>url?</em>, derivitave-source</td><br />
<td></td><br />
<td>Should this be a url? Maybe it should be a TBD "media" microformat which may be otherwise described.<br />
<br/>See [[licensing-examples#Attribution_to_derivative.27s_source_work|examples#derivative]]<br/><br />
Probably should be a URL -- a uf can have a #URL if it has an id.</td><br />
</tr><br />
<br />
<tr><br />
<td>attribution copied from</td><br />
<td></td><br />
<td>Shows where the media was immediately copied from (not necessarily the same as its original source). Has the same challenges as derivative-source. Perhaps use the approach loosely outlined in [[licensing-brainstorming#Attribution_Challenges|Attribution Challenges]]</td><br />
</tr><br />
<br />
<tr><br />
<td>origin</td><br />
<td></td><br />
<td>Like 'attribution copied from' but points to the original source.</td><br />
</tr><br />
<br />
</table><br />
<br />
== Attribution Challenges ==<br />
<br />
Tags dealing with specifying sources and tracking a piece of media's path through the Web are a little ambiguous in terms of what they can reference. For instance when specifying a derivative work it could be from another image on the Internet, in which case an URL would be appropriate, or it could be a quotation from a magazine or other "real" world source where an URL doesn't really work. Perhaps we can encourage the content of these 'media source' tags to be one of the following:<br />
<table border="1" cellpadding="3"><br />
<tr><br />
<th>Media source type</th><br />
<th>Format</th><br />
<th>Notes</th><br />
</tr><br />
<tr><br />
<td>Internet source</td><br />
<td>An URL</td><br />
<td></td><br />
</tr><br />
<tr><br />
<td>Person</td><br />
<td>[[hcard]]</td><br />
<td></td><br />
</tr><br />
<tr><br />
<td>Publication <br />(book, magazine, etc.)</td><br />
<td>[[citation]]</td><br />
<td>Citation appears to be heavily weighed towards academia but it looks like it should work for most purposes</td><br />
</tr><br />
<tr><br />
<td>Film/Video</td><br />
<td> ?? </td><br />
<td>I'm not sure about this one. Would citation stretch over visual media? Perhaps [[media-info]]?</td><br />
</tr><br />
</table><br />
<br />
<br />
== Strawman example ==<br />
Perhaps there should be an 'attribution' class which might hint that a fn or url should be used for attribution? Something like (webpage scope):<br />
<br />
<pre><br />
<nowiki><br />
<a class="url attribution fn" href="http://example.com">My First Cookbook</a><br />
<div class="author vcard"><br />
<div class="fn attribution">J Doe</div><br />
</div><br />
<a rel="license" href="http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/2.5/">(cc)</a><br />
<a rel="payment" href="http://paypal.com/...">don't let me starve</a><br />
</nowiki><br />
</pre><br />
<br />
<br />
== Strawman example for media ==<br />
<br />
Note the [[media-info]] is not even defined yet, this is not even strawman quality.<br />
<br />
<pre><br />
<nowiki><br />
<div class="media"><br />
<img class="url attribution mediaitem" src="http://example.com/cake.jpg"/><br />
<span class="fn">Picture of a giant cake</span><br />
<div class="author vcard"><br />
<div class="fn attribution">J Doe</div><br />
</div><br />
<a rel="license" href="http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc/2.5/">(cc)</a><br />
<a rel="payment" href="http://paypal.com/...">don't let me <s>starve</s>eat cake</a><br />
<a rel="payment" href="http://artdelivery.example">buy this pic, framed</a><br />
<a rel="payment" href="http://photoclearing.example">get commercial rights</a><br />
...<br />
</div><br />
</nowiki><br />
</pre><br />
<br />
<br />
== Todo ==<br />
* Answer questions above and those not posed<br />
* Discover and fix gratuitous problems with the above<br />
* Examples working with [[media-info]]<br />
<br />
= Creative Commons Vocab =<br />
<br />
Creative Commons has an [http://creativecommons.org/ns RDF vocabulary] which may be suitable for reuse. Here is an example using the Creative Commons vocab. It goes a long way to meeting all the stated requirements.<br />
<br />
<pre><nowiki><br />
<div class="License"><br />
<a rev="license" href="http://example.org/work">The work</a> is licensed under<br />
the <a rel="legalcode" href="http://example.org/foo">Foo Licence</a>. <br />
Summary: it permits <abbr title="DerivativeWorks" class="permits">derivative<br />
works</abbr> but requires <abbr title="Attribution" class="requires"<br />
>attribution</abbr>. The credit to give when reusing the work is "<span <br />
class="vcard"><a href="http://tobyinkster.co.uk" class="fn url<br />
attributionName" rel="attributionURL">Toby Inkster</a></span>".<br />
</div><br />
</nowiki></pre><br />
<br />
The microformat could use the following terms:<br />
<br />
* '''License''' {1} (root class name)<br />
** legalcode ? (rel value, not class)<br />
** ''morePermissions'' * (rel value, not class)<br />
** ''permits'' * ("Reproduction" | "Distribution" | "DerivativeWorks" | "HighIncomeNationUse" | "Sharing")<br />
** ''requires'' * ("CopyrightNotices" | "Attribution" | "ShareAlike" | "SourceCode")<br />
** ''prohibits'' * ("CommercialUse")<br />
** ''jurisdiction'' * (text | hCard | adr)<br />
** attributionName ?<br />
** attributionURL ? (rel value, not class)<br />
** deprecatedOn ? (ISO date)<br />
<br />
The license linked to using rel="legalcode" (if any) should be taken to be the definitive license. When such a license is present, the "permits", "requires", "prohibits" and "jurisdiction" classes are taken to be merely advisory. When no "legalcode" license is linked to, these classes are definitive.<br />
<br />
[[rel-license]] {{should}} be used to link from the work to the license (an ID attribute on the license will help). A license {{may}} link back to the work using rev="license", but forward links are preferred.<br />
<br />
As an extension to the creative commons vocabulary (which focuses on open-source-like licenses) a payment URL {{may}} be linked to using an anchor element simultaneously carrying class="requires" and rel="payment". Example:<br />
<br />
<pre><nowiki><br />
<a class="requires" rel="payment" href="https://payment.example.org">buy</a><br />
</nowiki></pre><br />
<br />
If [[rel-payment]] is used without a class of "requires", then the link is taken to be an optional payment link - i.e. a donation.</div>RobLintonhttp://microformats.org/wiki/index.php?title=licensing-brainstorming&diff=27803licensing-brainstorming2008-07-17T21:54:44Z<p>RobLinton: /* Discussion */</p>
<hr />
<div>= Licensing Brainstorming =<br />
<br />
The very beginning.<br />
<br />
See [[licensing]] for background.<br />
<br />
<br />
== Discussion ==<br />
<br />
Set of classes pertinent to supporting licensing and attribution requirements and complements. These classes could be used at webpage level or within relevant microformats, e.g., [[media-info]].<br />
<br />
The first column may be too URL-centric, see notes for parent work, may apply to others.<br />
<br />
<table border="1" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="2"><br />
<tr><th>Overly descriptive strawman not intended to conform with any convention</th><th>[[existing-classes|Existing class(es)]]; source</th><th>Notes</th></tr><br />
<br />
<tr><br />
<td>work title</td><br />
<td>fn; hCard</td><br />
<td>See [[licensing-examples#Attribution_with_work_title|examples#title]]</td><br />
</tr><br />
<br />
<tr><br />
<td>attribution name, creator?</td><br />
<td>author; hAtom, [[hcard]]</td><br />
<td>Might be a vcard with fn, may also be an organization<br />
<br/>See [[licensing-examples#Attribution_to_creator|examples#attribution]]</td><br />
</tr><br />
<br />
<tr><br />
<td>attribution url</td><br />
<td>url; hCard</td><br />
<td>An author might have a url, should this be taken as the attribution url? If a work has a url, should it be taken as the attribution url?<br />
<br/>See [[licensing-examples#Attribution_with_link_required|examples#link]]</td><br />
</tr><br />
<br />
<tr><br />
<td>donation url</td><br />
<td>payment; rel-payment<br/><br />
offer; hListing</td><br />
<td>How to disambiguate from commercial licensing and purchase?<br />
<br/>See [[licensing-examples#Donation_related_to_work|examples#donation]]</td><br />
</tr><br />
<br />
<tr><br />
<td>commercial licensing url</td><br />
<td>payment; rel-payment<br/><br />
sell, offer; hListing<br/><br />
copyright; HTML LinkType</td><br />
<td>How to disambiguate from donation and purchase?<br />
<br/>See [[licensing-examples#Commercial_licensing|examples#commercial]]</td><br />
</tr><br />
<br />
<tr><br />
<td>purchase url</td><br />
<td>payment; rel-payment<br/><br />
sell, offer; hListing</td><br />
<td>How to disambiguate from donation and commercial licensing?<br />
<br/>See [[licensing-examples#Purchase_related_media|examples#purchase]]</td><br />
</tr><br />
<br />
<tr><br />
<td>content hash</td><br />
<td>checksum, sha1; [[hash-examples]]</td><br />
<td>See [[licensing-examples#License_notice_with_content_hash|examples#hash]]</td><br />
</tr><br />
<br />
<tr><br />
<td>provenance url</td><br />
<td></td><br />
<td>See [[licensing-examples#Rights_provenance.2Fwarranty.2Fidemnification|examples#provenance]]</td><br />
</tr><br />
<br />
<tr><br />
<td>parent work <em>url?</em>, derivitave-source</td><br />
<td></td><br />
<td>Should this be a url? Maybe it should be a TBD "media" microformat which may be otherwise described.<br />
<br/>See [[licensing-examples#Attribution_to_derivative.27s_source_work|examples#derivative]]<br/><br />
Probably should be a URL -- a uf can have a #URL if it has an id.</td><br />
</tr><br />
<br />
<tr><br />
<td>attribution copied from</td><br />
<td></td><br />
<td>Shows where the media was immediately copied from (not necessarily the same as its original source). Has the same challenges as derivative-work. Perhaps use the approach loosely outlined in [[licensing-brainstorming#Attribution_Challenges|Attribution Challenges]]</td><br />
</tr><br />
<br />
<tr><br />
<td>origin</td><br />
<td></td><br />
<td>Like 'attribution copied from' but points to the original source.</td><br />
</tr><br />
<br />
</table><br />
<br />
== Attribution Challenges ==<br />
<br />
Tags dealing with specifying sources and tracking a piece of media's path through the Web are a little ambiguous in terms of what they can reference. For instance when specifying a derivative work it could be from another image on the Internet, in which case an URL would be appropriate, or it could be a quotation from a magazine or other "real" world source where an URL doesn't really work. Perhaps we can encourage the content of these 'media source' tags to be one of the following:<br />
<table border="1" cellpadding="3"><br />
<tr><br />
<th>Media source type</th><br />
<th>Format</th><br />
<th>Notes</th><br />
</tr><br />
<tr><br />
<td>Internet source</td><br />
<td>An URL</td><br />
<td></td><br />
</tr><br />
<tr><br />
<td>Person</td><br />
<td>[[hcard]]</td><br />
<td></td><br />
</tr><br />
<tr><br />
<td>Publication <br />(book, magazine, etc.)</td><br />
<td>[[citation]]</td><br />
<td>Citation appears to be heavily weighed towards academia but it looks like it should work for most purposes</td><br />
</tr><br />
<tr><br />
<td>Film/Video</td><br />
<td> ?? </td><br />
<td>I'm not sure about this one. Would citation stretch over visual media? Perhaps [[media-info]]?</td><br />
</tr><br />
</table><br />
<br />
<br />
== Strawman example ==<br />
Perhaps there should be an 'attribution' class which might hint that a fn or url should be used for attribution? Something like (webpage scope):<br />
<br />
<pre><br />
<nowiki><br />
<a class="url attribution fn" href="http://example.com">My First Cookbook</a><br />
<div class="author vcard"><br />
<div class="fn attribution">J Doe</div><br />
</div><br />
<a rel="license" href="http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/2.5/">(cc)</a><br />
<a rel="payment" href="http://paypal.com/...">don't let me starve</a><br />
</nowiki><br />
</pre><br />
<br />
<br />
== Strawman example for media ==<br />
<br />
Note the [[media-info]] is not even defined yet, this is not even strawman quality.<br />
<br />
<pre><br />
<nowiki><br />
<div class="media"><br />
<img class="url attribution mediaitem" src="http://example.com/cake.jpg"/><br />
<span class="fn">Picture of a giant cake</span><br />
<div class="author vcard"><br />
<div class="fn attribution">J Doe</div><br />
</div><br />
<a rel="license" href="http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc/2.5/">(cc)</a><br />
<a rel="payment" href="http://paypal.com/...">don't let me <s>starve</s>eat cake</a><br />
<a rel="payment" href="http://artdelivery.example">buy this pic, framed</a><br />
<a rel="payment" href="http://photoclearing.example">get commercial rights</a><br />
...<br />
</div><br />
</nowiki><br />
</pre><br />
<br />
<br />
== Todo ==<br />
* Answer questions above and those not posed<br />
* Discover and fix gratuitous problems with the above<br />
* Examples working with [[media-info]]<br />
<br />
= Creative Commons Vocab =<br />
<br />
Creative Commons has an [http://creativecommons.org/ns RDF vocabulary] which may be suitable for reuse. Here is an example using the Creative Commons vocab. It goes a long way to meeting all the stated requirements.<br />
<br />
<pre><nowiki><br />
<div class="License"><br />
<a rev="license" href="http://example.org/work">The work</a> is licensed under<br />
the <a rel="legalcode" href="http://example.org/foo">Foo Licence</a>. <br />
Summary: it permits <abbr title="DerivativeWorks" class="permits">derivative<br />
works</abbr> but requires <abbr title="Attribution" class="requires"<br />
>attribution</abbr>. The credit to give when reusing the work is "<span <br />
class="vcard"><a href="http://tobyinkster.co.uk" class="fn url<br />
attributionName" rel="attributionURL">Toby Inkster</a></span>".<br />
</div><br />
</nowiki></pre><br />
<br />
The microformat could use the following terms:<br />
<br />
* '''License''' {1} (root class name)<br />
** legalcode ? (rel value, not class)<br />
** ''morePermissions'' * (rel value, not class)<br />
** ''permits'' * ("Reproduction" | "Distribution" | "DerivativeWorks" | "HighIncomeNationUse" | "Sharing")<br />
** ''requires'' * ("CopyrightNotices" | "Attribution" | "ShareAlike" | "SourceCode")<br />
** ''prohibits'' * ("CommercialUse")<br />
** ''jurisdiction'' * (text | hCard | adr)<br />
** attributionName ?<br />
** attributionURL ? (rel value, not class)<br />
** deprecatedOn ? (ISO date)<br />
<br />
The license linked to using rel="legalcode" (if any) should be taken to be the definitive license. When such a license is present, the "permits", "requires", "prohibits" and "jurisdiction" classes are taken to be merely advisory. When no "legalcode" license is linked to, these classes are definitive.<br />
<br />
[[rel-license]] {{should}} be used to link from the work to the license (an ID attribute on the license will help). A license {{may}} link back to the work using rev="license", but forward links are preferred.<br />
<br />
As an extension to the creative commons vocabulary (which focuses on open-source-like licenses) a payment URL {{may}} be linked to using an anchor element simultaneously carrying class="requires" and rel="payment". Example:<br />
<br />
<pre><nowiki><br />
<a class="requires" rel="payment" href="https://payment.example.org">buy</a><br />
</nowiki></pre><br />
<br />
If [[rel-payment]] is used without a class of "requires", then the link is taken to be an optional payment link - i.e. a donation.</div>RobLintonhttp://microformats.org/wiki/index.php?title=licensing-brainstorming&diff=27802licensing-brainstorming2008-07-17T20:50:22Z<p>RobLinton: /* Discussion */</p>
<hr />
<div>= Licensing Brainstorming =<br />
<br />
The very beginning.<br />
<br />
See [[licensing]] for background.<br />
<br />
<br />
== Discussion ==<br />
<br />
Set of classes pertinent to supporting licensing and attribution requirements and complements. These classes could be used at webpage level or within relevant microformats, e.g., [[media-info]].<br />
<br />
The first column may be too URL-centric, see notes for parent work, may apply to others.<br />
<br />
<table border="1" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="2"><br />
<tr><th>Overly descriptive strawman not intended to conform with any convention</th><th>[[existing-classes|Existing class(es)]]; source</th><th>Notes</th></tr><br />
<br />
<tr><br />
<td>work title</td><br />
<td>fn; hCard</td><br />
<td>See [[licensing-examples#Attribution_with_work_title|examples#title]]</td><br />
</tr><br />
<br />
<tr><br />
<td>attribution name, creator?</td><br />
<td>author; hAtom, [[hcard]]</td><br />
<td>Might be a vcard with fn, may also be an organization<br />
<br/>See [[licensing-examples#Attribution_to_creator|examples#attribution]]</td><br />
</tr><br />
<br />
<tr><br />
<td>attribution url</td><br />
<td>url; hCard</td><br />
<td>An author might have a url, should this be taken as the attribution url? If a work has a url, should it be taken as the attribution url?<br />
<br/>See [[licensing-examples#Attribution_with_link_required|examples#link]]</td><br />
</tr><br />
<br />
<tr><br />
<td>donation url</td><br />
<td>payment; rel-payment<br/><br />
offer; hListing</td><br />
<td>How to disambiguate from commercial licensing and purchase?<br />
<br/>See [[licensing-examples#Donation_related_to_work|examples#donation]]</td><br />
</tr><br />
<br />
<tr><br />
<td>commercial licensing url</td><br />
<td>payment; rel-payment<br/><br />
sell, offer; hListing<br/><br />
copyright; HTML LinkType</td><br />
<td>How to disambiguate from donation and purchase?<br />
<br/>See [[licensing-examples#Commercial_licensing|examples#commercial]]</td><br />
</tr><br />
<br />
<tr><br />
<td>purchase url</td><br />
<td>payment; rel-payment<br/><br />
sell, offer; hListing</td><br />
<td>How to disambiguate from donation and commercial licensing?<br />
<br/>See [[licensing-examples#Purchase_related_media|examples#purchase]]</td><br />
</tr><br />
<br />
<tr><br />
<td>content hash</td><br />
<td>checksum, sha1; [[hash-examples]]</td><br />
<td>See [[licensing-examples#License_notice_with_content_hash|examples#hash]]</td><br />
</tr><br />
<br />
<tr><br />
<td>provenance url</td><br />
<td></td><br />
<td>See [[licensing-examples#Rights_provenance.2Fwarranty.2Fidemnification|examples#provenance]]</td><br />
</tr><br />
<br />
<tr><br />
<td>parent work <em>url?</em>, derivitave-source</td><br />
<td></td><br />
<td>Should this be a url? Maybe it should be a TBD "media" microformat which may be otherwise described.<br />
<br/>See [[licensing-examples#Attribution_to_derivative.27s_source_work|examples#derivative]]<br/><br />
Probably should be a URL -- a uf can have a #URL if it has an id.</td><br />
</tr><br />
<br />
<tr><br />
<td>origin</td><br />
<td></td><br />
<td>Same as above applies to this tag. Could be an URL, could be a person, could be a publication.</td><br />
</tr><br />
<br />
</table><br />
<br />
== Attribution Challenges ==<br />
<br />
Tags dealing with specifying sources and tracking a piece of media's path through the Web are a little ambiguous in terms of what they can reference. For instance when specifying a derivative work it could be from another image on the Internet, in which case an URL would be appropriate, or it could be a quotation from a magazine or other "real" world source where an URL doesn't really work. Perhaps we can encourage the content of these 'media source' tags to be one of the following:<br />
<table border="1" cellpadding="3"><br />
<tr><br />
<th>Media source type</th><br />
<th>Format</th><br />
<th>Notes</th><br />
</tr><br />
<tr><br />
<td>Internet source</td><br />
<td>An URL</td><br />
<td></td><br />
</tr><br />
<tr><br />
<td>Person</td><br />
<td>[[hcard]]</td><br />
<td></td><br />
</tr><br />
<tr><br />
<td>Publication <br />(book, magazine, etc.)</td><br />
<td>[[citation]]</td><br />
<td>Citation appears to be heavily weighed towards academia but it looks like it should work for most purposes</td><br />
</tr><br />
<tr><br />
<td>Film/Video</td><br />
<td> ?? </td><br />
<td>I'm not sure about this one. Would citation stretch over visual media? Perhaps [[media-info]]?</td><br />
</tr><br />
</table><br />
<br />
<br />
== Strawman example ==<br />
Perhaps there should be an 'attribution' class which might hint that a fn or url should be used for attribution? Something like (webpage scope):<br />
<br />
<pre><br />
<nowiki><br />
<a class="url attribution fn" href="http://example.com">My First Cookbook</a><br />
<div class="author vcard"><br />
<div class="fn attribution">J Doe</div><br />
</div><br />
<a rel="license" href="http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/2.5/">(cc)</a><br />
<a rel="payment" href="http://paypal.com/...">don't let me starve</a><br />
</nowiki><br />
</pre><br />
<br />
<br />
== Strawman example for media ==<br />
<br />
Note the [[media-info]] is not even defined yet, this is not even strawman quality.<br />
<br />
<pre><br />
<nowiki><br />
<div class="media"><br />
<img class="url attribution mediaitem" src="http://example.com/cake.jpg"/><br />
<span class="fn">Picture of a giant cake</span><br />
<div class="author vcard"><br />
<div class="fn attribution">J Doe</div><br />
</div><br />
<a rel="license" href="http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc/2.5/">(cc)</a><br />
<a rel="payment" href="http://paypal.com/...">don't let me <s>starve</s>eat cake</a><br />
<a rel="payment" href="http://artdelivery.example">buy this pic, framed</a><br />
<a rel="payment" href="http://photoclearing.example">get commercial rights</a><br />
...<br />
</div><br />
</nowiki><br />
</pre><br />
<br />
<br />
== Todo ==<br />
* Answer questions above and those not posed<br />
* Discover and fix gratuitous problems with the above<br />
* Examples working with [[media-info]]<br />
<br />
= Creative Commons Vocab =<br />
<br />
Creative Commons has an [http://creativecommons.org/ns RDF vocabulary] which may be suitable for reuse. Here is an example using the Creative Commons vocab. It goes a long way to meeting all the stated requirements.<br />
<br />
<pre><nowiki><br />
<div class="License"><br />
<a rev="license" href="http://example.org/work">The work</a> is licensed under<br />
the <a rel="legalcode" href="http://example.org/foo">Foo Licence</a>. <br />
Summary: it permits <abbr title="DerivativeWorks" class="permits">derivative<br />
works</abbr> but requires <abbr title="Attribution" class="requires"<br />
>attribution</abbr>. The credit to give when reusing the work is "<span <br />
class="vcard"><a href="http://tobyinkster.co.uk" class="fn url<br />
attributionName" rel="attributionURL">Toby Inkster</a></span>".<br />
</div><br />
</nowiki></pre><br />
<br />
The microformat could use the following terms:<br />
<br />
* '''License''' {1} (root class name)<br />
** legalcode ? (rel value, not class)<br />
** ''morePermissions'' * (rel value, not class)<br />
** ''permits'' * ("Reproduction" | "Distribution" | "DerivativeWorks" | "HighIncomeNationUse" | "Sharing")<br />
** ''requires'' * ("CopyrightNotices" | "Attribution" | "ShareAlike" | "SourceCode")<br />
** ''prohibits'' * ("CommercialUse")<br />
** ''jurisdiction'' * (text | hCard | adr)<br />
** attributionName ?<br />
** attributionURL ? (rel value, not class)<br />
** deprecatedOn ? (ISO date)<br />
<br />
The license linked to using rel="legalcode" (if any) should be taken to be the definitive license. When such a license is present, the "permits", "requires", "prohibits" and "jurisdiction" classes are taken to be merely advisory. When no "legalcode" license is linked to, these classes are definitive.<br />
<br />
[[rel-license]] {{should}} be used to link from the work to the license (an ID attribute on the license will help). A license {{may}} link back to the work using rev="license", but forward links are preferred.<br />
<br />
As an extension to the creative commons vocabulary (which focuses on open-source-like licenses) a payment URL {{may}} be linked to using an anchor element simultaneously carrying class="requires" and rel="payment". Example:<br />
<br />
<pre><nowiki><br />
<a class="requires" rel="payment" href="https://payment.example.org">buy</a><br />
</nowiki></pre><br />
<br />
If [[rel-payment]] is used without a class of "requires", then the link is taken to be an optional payment link - i.e. a donation.</div>RobLintonhttp://microformats.org/wiki/index.php?title=licensing-brainstorming&diff=27799licensing-brainstorming2008-07-17T20:49:28Z<p>RobLinton: /* Licensing Brainstorming */</p>
<hr />
<div>= Licensing Brainstorming =<br />
<br />
The very beginning.<br />
<br />
See [[licensing]] for background.<br />
<br />
<br />
== Discussion ==<br />
<br />
Set of classes pertinent to supporting licensing and attribution requirements and complements. These classes could be used at webpage level or within relevant microformats, e.g., [[media-info]].<br />
<br />
The first column may be too URL-centric, see notes for parent work, may apply to others.<br />
<br />
<table border="1" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="2"><br />
<tr><th>Overly descriptive strawman not intended to conform with any convention</th><th>[[existing-classes|Existing class(es)]]; source</th><th>Notes</th></tr><br />
<br />
<tr><br />
<td>work title</td><br />
<td>fn; hCard</td><br />
<td>See [[licensing-examples#Attribution_with_work_title|examples#title]]</td><br />
</tr><br />
<br />
<tr><br />
<td>attribution name</td><br />
<td>author; hAtom</td><br />
<td>Might be a vcard with fn, may also be an organization<br />
<br/>See [[licensing-examples#Attribution_to_creator|examples#attribution]]</td><br />
</tr><br />
<br />
<tr><br />
<td>attribution url</td><br />
<td>url; hCard</td><br />
<td>An author might have a url, should this be taken as the attribution url? If a work has a url, should it be taken as the attribution url?<br />
<br/>See [[licensing-examples#Attribution_with_link_required|examples#link]]</td><br />
</tr><br />
<br />
<tr><br />
<td>donation url</td><br />
<td>payment; rel-payment<br/><br />
offer; hListing</td><br />
<td>How to disambiguate from commercial licensing and purchase?<br />
<br/>See [[licensing-examples#Donation_related_to_work|examples#donation]]</td><br />
</tr><br />
<br />
<tr><br />
<td>commercial licensing url</td><br />
<td>payment; rel-payment<br/><br />
sell, offer; hListing<br/><br />
copyright; HTML LinkType</td><br />
<td>How to disambiguate from donation and purchase?<br />
<br/>See [[licensing-examples#Commercial_licensing|examples#commercial]]</td><br />
</tr><br />
<br />
<tr><br />
<td>purchase url</td><br />
<td>payment; rel-payment<br/><br />
sell, offer; hListing</td><br />
<td>How to disambiguate from donation and commercial licensing?<br />
<br/>See [[licensing-examples#Purchase_related_media|examples#purchase]]</td><br />
</tr><br />
<br />
<tr><br />
<td>content hash</td><br />
<td>checksum, sha1; [[hash-examples]]</td><br />
<td>See [[licensing-examples#License_notice_with_content_hash|examples#hash]]</td><br />
</tr><br />
<br />
<tr><br />
<td>provenance url</td><br />
<td></td><br />
<td>See [[licensing-examples#Rights_provenance.2Fwarranty.2Fidemnification|examples#provenance]]</td><br />
</tr><br />
<br />
<tr><br />
<td>parent work <em>url?</em></td><br />
<td></td><br />
<td>Should this be a url? Maybe it should be a TBD "media" microformat which may be otherwise described.<br />
<br/>See [[licensing-examples#Attribution_to_derivative.27s_source_work|examples#derivative]]<br/><br />
Probably should be a URL -- a uf can have a #URL if it has an id.</td><br />
</tr><br />
<br />
</table><br />
<br />
<br />
== Attribution Challenges ==<br />
<br />
Tags dealing with specifying sources and tracking a piece of media's path through the Web are a little ambiguous in terms of what they can reference. For instance when specifying a derivative work it could be from another image on the Internet, in which case an URL would be appropriate, or it could be a quotation from a magazine or other "real" world source where an URL doesn't really work. Perhaps we can encourage the content of these 'media source' tags to be one of the following:<br />
<table border="1" cellpadding="3"><br />
<tr><br />
<th>Media source type</th><br />
<th>Format</th><br />
<th>Notes</th><br />
</tr><br />
<tr><br />
<td>Internet source</td><br />
<td>An URL</td><br />
<td></td><br />
</tr><br />
<tr><br />
<td>Person</td><br />
<td>[[hcard]]</td><br />
<td></td><br />
</tr><br />
<tr><br />
<td>Publication <br />(book, magazine, etc.)</td><br />
<td>[[citation]]</td><br />
<td>Citation appears to be heavily weighed towards academia but it looks like it should work for most purposes</td><br />
</tr><br />
<tr><br />
<td>Film/Video</td><br />
<td> ?? </td><br />
<td>I'm not sure about this one. Would citation stretch over visual media? Perhaps [[media-info]]?</td><br />
</tr><br />
</table><br />
<br />
<br />
== Strawman example ==<br />
Perhaps there should be an 'attribution' class which might hint that a fn or url should be used for attribution? Something like (webpage scope):<br />
<br />
<pre><br />
<nowiki><br />
<a class="url attribution fn" href="http://example.com">My First Cookbook</a><br />
<div class="author vcard"><br />
<div class="fn attribution">J Doe</div><br />
</div><br />
<a rel="license" href="http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/2.5/">(cc)</a><br />
<a rel="payment" href="http://paypal.com/...">don't let me starve</a><br />
</nowiki><br />
</pre><br />
<br />
<br />
== Strawman example for media ==<br />
<br />
Note the [[media-info]] is not even defined yet, this is not even strawman quality.<br />
<br />
<pre><br />
<nowiki><br />
<div class="media"><br />
<img class="url attribution mediaitem" src="http://example.com/cake.jpg"/><br />
<span class="fn">Picture of a giant cake</span><br />
<div class="author vcard"><br />
<div class="fn attribution">J Doe</div><br />
</div><br />
<a rel="license" href="http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc/2.5/">(cc)</a><br />
<a rel="payment" href="http://paypal.com/...">don't let me <s>starve</s>eat cake</a><br />
<a rel="payment" href="http://artdelivery.example">buy this pic, framed</a><br />
<a rel="payment" href="http://photoclearing.example">get commercial rights</a><br />
...<br />
</div><br />
</nowiki><br />
</pre><br />
<br />
<br />
== Todo ==<br />
* Answer questions above and those not posed<br />
* Discover and fix gratuitous problems with the above<br />
* Examples working with [[media-info]]<br />
<br />
= Creative Commons Vocab =<br />
<br />
Creative Commons has an [http://creativecommons.org/ns RDF vocabulary] which may be suitable for reuse. Here is an example using the Creative Commons vocab. It goes a long way to meeting all the stated requirements.<br />
<br />
<pre><nowiki><br />
<div class="License"><br />
<a rev="license" href="http://example.org/work">The work</a> is licensed under<br />
the <a rel="legalcode" href="http://example.org/foo">Foo Licence</a>. <br />
Summary: it permits <abbr title="DerivativeWorks" class="permits">derivative<br />
works</abbr> but requires <abbr title="Attribution" class="requires"<br />
>attribution</abbr>. The credit to give when reusing the work is "<span <br />
class="vcard"><a href="http://tobyinkster.co.uk" class="fn url<br />
attributionName" rel="attributionURL">Toby Inkster</a></span>".<br />
</div><br />
</nowiki></pre><br />
<br />
The microformat could use the following terms:<br />
<br />
* '''License''' {1} (root class name)<br />
** legalcode ? (rel value, not class)<br />
** ''morePermissions'' * (rel value, not class)<br />
** ''permits'' * ("Reproduction" | "Distribution" | "DerivativeWorks" | "HighIncomeNationUse" | "Sharing")<br />
** ''requires'' * ("CopyrightNotices" | "Attribution" | "ShareAlike" | "SourceCode")<br />
** ''prohibits'' * ("CommercialUse")<br />
** ''jurisdiction'' * (text | hCard | adr)<br />
** attributionName ?<br />
** attributionURL ? (rel value, not class)<br />
** deprecatedOn ? (ISO date)<br />
<br />
The license linked to using rel="legalcode" (if any) should be taken to be the definitive license. When such a license is present, the "permits", "requires", "prohibits" and "jurisdiction" classes are taken to be merely advisory. When no "legalcode" license is linked to, these classes are definitive.<br />
<br />
[[rel-license]] {{should}} be used to link from the work to the license (an ID attribute on the license will help). A license {{may}} link back to the work using rev="license", but forward links are preferred.<br />
<br />
As an extension to the creative commons vocabulary (which focuses on open-source-like licenses) a payment URL {{may}} be linked to using an anchor element simultaneously carrying class="requires" and rel="payment". Example:<br />
<br />
<pre><nowiki><br />
<a class="requires" rel="payment" href="https://payment.example.org">buy</a><br />
</nowiki></pre><br />
<br />
If [[rel-payment]] is used without a class of "requires", then the link is taken to be an optional payment link - i.e. a donation.</div>RobLintonhttp://microformats.org/wiki/index.php?title=licensing-brainstorming&diff=27798licensing-brainstorming2008-07-17T20:49:05Z<p>RobLinton: /* Discussion */</p>
<hr />
<div>= Licensing Brainstorming =<br />
<br />
The very beginning.<br />
<br />
See [[licensing]] for background.<br />
<br />
== Discussion ==<br />
<br />
Set of classes pertinent to supporting licensing and attribution requirements and complements. These classes could be used at webpage level or within relevant microformats, e.g., [[media-info]].<br />
<br />
The first column may be too URL-centric, see notes for parent work, may apply to others.<br />
<br />
<table border="1" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="2"><br />
<tr><th>Overly descriptive strawman not intended to conform with any convention</th><th>[[existing-classes|Existing class(es)]]; source</th><th>Notes</th></tr><br />
<br />
<tr><br />
<td>work title</td><br />
<td>fn; hCard</td><br />
<td>See [[licensing-examples#Attribution_with_work_title|examples#title]]</td><br />
</tr><br />
<br />
<tr><br />
<td>attribution name, creator?</td><br />
<td>author; hAtom, [[hcard]]</td><br />
<td>Might be a vcard with fn, may also be an organization<br />
<br/>See [[licensing-examples#Attribution_to_creator|examples#attribution]]</td><br />
</tr><br />
<br />
<tr><br />
<td>attribution url</td><br />
<td>url; hCard</td><br />
<td>An author might have a url, should this be taken as the attribution url? If a work has a url, should it be taken as the attribution url?<br />
<br/>See [[licensing-examples#Attribution_with_link_required|examples#link]]</td><br />
</tr><br />
<br />
<tr><br />
<td>donation url</td><br />
<td>payment; rel-payment<br/><br />
offer; hListing</td><br />
<td>How to disambiguate from commercial licensing and purchase?<br />
<br/>See [[licensing-examples#Donation_related_to_work|examples#donation]]</td><br />
</tr><br />
<br />
<tr><br />
<td>commercial licensing url</td><br />
<td>payment; rel-payment<br/><br />
sell, offer; hListing<br/><br />
copyright; HTML LinkType</td><br />
<td>How to disambiguate from donation and purchase?<br />
<br/>See [[licensing-examples#Commercial_licensing|examples#commercial]]</td><br />
</tr><br />
<br />
<tr><br />
<td>purchase url</td><br />
<td>payment; rel-payment<br/><br />
sell, offer; hListing</td><br />
<td>How to disambiguate from donation and commercial licensing?<br />
<br/>See [[licensing-examples#Purchase_related_media|examples#purchase]]</td><br />
</tr><br />
<br />
<tr><br />
<td>content hash</td><br />
<td>checksum, sha1; [[hash-examples]]</td><br />
<td>See [[licensing-examples#License_notice_with_content_hash|examples#hash]]</td><br />
</tr><br />
<br />
<tr><br />
<td>provenance url</td><br />
<td></td><br />
<td>See [[licensing-examples#Rights_provenance.2Fwarranty.2Fidemnification|examples#provenance]]</td><br />
</tr><br />
<br />
<tr><br />
<td>parent work <em>url?</em>, derivitave-source</td><br />
<td></td><br />
<td>Should this be a url? Maybe it should be a TBD "media" microformat which may be otherwise described.<br />
<br/>See [[licensing-examples#Attribution_to_derivative.27s_source_work|examples#derivative]]<br/><br />
Probably should be a URL -- a uf can have a #URL if it has an id.</td><br />
</tr><br />
<br />
<tr><br />
<td>origin</td><br />
<td></td><br />
<td>Same as above applies to this tag. Could be an URL, could be a person, could be a publication.</td><br />
</tr><br />
<br />
</table><br />
<br />
== Strawman example ==<br />
Perhaps there should be an 'attribution' class which might hint that a fn or url should be used for attribution? Something like (webpage scope):<br />
<br />
<pre><br />
<nowiki><br />
<a class="url attribution fn" href="http://example.com">My First Cookbook</a><br />
<div class="author vcard"><br />
<div class="fn attribution">J Doe</div><br />
</div><br />
<a rel="license" href="http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/2.5/">(cc)</a><br />
<a rel="payment" href="http://paypal.com/...">don't let me starve</a><br />
</nowiki><br />
</pre><br />
<br />
== Strawman example for media ==<br />
<br />
Note the [[media-info]] is not even defined yet, this is not even strawman quality.<br />
<br />
<pre><br />
<nowiki><br />
<div class="media"><br />
<img class="url attribution mediaitem" src="http://example.com/cake.jpg"/><br />
<span class="fn">Picture of a giant cake</span><br />
<div class="author vcard"><br />
<div class="fn attribution">J Doe</div><br />
</div><br />
<a rel="license" href="http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc/2.5/">(cc)</a><br />
<a rel="payment" href="http://paypal.com/...">don't let me <s>starve</s>eat cake</a><br />
<a rel="payment" href="http://artdelivery.example">buy this pic, framed</a><br />
<a rel="payment" href="http://photoclearing.example">get commercial rights</a><br />
...<br />
</div><br />
</nowiki><br />
</pre><br />
<br />
== Todo ==<br />
* Answer questions above and those not posed<br />
* Discover and fix gratuitous problems with the above<br />
* Examples working with [[media-info]]<br />
<br />
<br />
= Creative Commons Vocab =<br />
<br />
Creative Commons has an [http://creativecommons.org/ns RDF vocabulary] which may be suitable for reuse. Here is an example using the Creative Commons vocab. It goes a long way to meeting all the stated requirements.<br />
<br />
<pre><nowiki><br />
<div class="License"><br />
<a rev="license" href="http://example.org/work">The work</a> is licensed under<br />
the <a rel="legalcode" href="http://example.org/foo">Foo Licence</a>. <br />
Summary: it permits <abbr title="DerivativeWorks" class="permits">derivative<br />
works</abbr> but requires <abbr title="Attribution" class="requires"<br />
>attribution</abbr>. The credit to give when reusing the work is "<span <br />
class="vcard"><a href="http://tobyinkster.co.uk" class="fn url<br />
attributionName" rel="attributionURL">Toby Inkster</a></span>".<br />
</div><br />
</nowiki></pre><br />
<br />
The microformat could use the following terms:<br />
<br />
* '''License''' {1} (root class name)<br />
** legalcode ? (rel value, not class)<br />
** ''morePermissions'' * (rel value, not class)<br />
** ''permits'' * ("Reproduction" | "Distribution" | "DerivativeWorks" | "HighIncomeNationUse" | "Sharing")<br />
** ''requires'' * ("CopyrightNotices" | "Attribution" | "ShareAlike" | "SourceCode")<br />
** ''prohibits'' * ("CommercialUse")<br />
** ''jurisdiction'' * (text | hCard | adr)<br />
** attributionName ?<br />
** attributionURL ? (rel value, not class)<br />
** deprecatedOn ? (ISO date)<br />
<br />
The license linked to using rel="legalcode" (if any) should be taken to be the definitive license. When such a license is present, the "permits", "requires", "prohibits" and "jurisdiction" classes are taken to be merely advisory. When no "legalcode" license is linked to, these classes are definitive.<br />
<br />
[[rel-license]] {{should}} be used to link from the work to the license (an ID attribute on the license will help). A license {{may}} link back to the work using rev="license", but forward links are preferred.<br />
<br />
As an extension to the creative commons vocabulary (which focuses on open-source-like licenses) a payment URL {{may}} be linked to using an anchor element simultaneously carrying class="requires" and rel="payment". Example:<br />
<br />
<pre><nowiki><br />
<a class="requires" rel="payment" href="https://payment.example.org">buy</a><br />
</nowiki></pre><br />
<br />
If [[rel-payment]] is used without a class of "requires", then the link is taken to be an optional payment link - i.e. a donation.</div>RobLintonhttp://microformats.org/wiki/index.php?title=licensing-brainstorming&diff=27797licensing-brainstorming2008-07-17T20:48:33Z<p>RobLinton: /* Licensing Brainstorming */</p>
<hr />
<div>= Licensing Brainstorming =<br />
<br />
The very beginning.<br />
<br />
See [[licensing]] for background.<br />
<br />
<br />
== Discussion ==<br />
<br />
Set of classes pertinent to supporting licensing and attribution requirements and complements. These classes could be used at webpage level or within relevant microformats, e.g., [[media-info]].<br />
<br />
The first column may be too URL-centric, see notes for parent work, may apply to others.<br />
<br />
<table border="1" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="2"><br />
<tr><th>Overly descriptive strawman not intended to conform with any convention</th><th>[[existing-classes|Existing class(es)]]; source</th><th>Notes</th></tr><br />
<br />
<tr><br />
<td>work title</td><br />
<td>fn; hCard</td><br />
<td>See [[licensing-examples#Attribution_with_work_title|examples#title]]</td><br />
</tr><br />
<br />
<tr><br />
<td>attribution name</td><br />
<td>author; hAtom</td><br />
<td>Might be a vcard with fn, may also be an organization<br />
<br/>See [[licensing-examples#Attribution_to_creator|examples#attribution]]</td><br />
</tr><br />
<br />
<tr><br />
<td>attribution url</td><br />
<td>url; hCard</td><br />
<td>An author might have a url, should this be taken as the attribution url? If a work has a url, should it be taken as the attribution url?<br />
<br/>See [[licensing-examples#Attribution_with_link_required|examples#link]]</td><br />
</tr><br />
<br />
<tr><br />
<td>donation url</td><br />
<td>payment; rel-payment<br/><br />
offer; hListing</td><br />
<td>How to disambiguate from commercial licensing and purchase?<br />
<br/>See [[licensing-examples#Donation_related_to_work|examples#donation]]</td><br />
</tr><br />
<br />
<tr><br />
<td>commercial licensing url</td><br />
<td>payment; rel-payment<br/><br />
sell, offer; hListing<br/><br />
copyright; HTML LinkType</td><br />
<td>How to disambiguate from donation and purchase?<br />
<br/>See [[licensing-examples#Commercial_licensing|examples#commercial]]</td><br />
</tr><br />
<br />
<tr><br />
<td>purchase url</td><br />
<td>payment; rel-payment<br/><br />
sell, offer; hListing</td><br />
<td>How to disambiguate from donation and commercial licensing?<br />
<br/>See [[licensing-examples#Purchase_related_media|examples#purchase]]</td><br />
</tr><br />
<br />
<tr><br />
<td>content hash</td><br />
<td>checksum, sha1; [[hash-examples]]</td><br />
<td>See [[licensing-examples#License_notice_with_content_hash|examples#hash]]</td><br />
</tr><br />
<br />
<tr><br />
<td>provenance url</td><br />
<td></td><br />
<td>See [[licensing-examples#Rights_provenance.2Fwarranty.2Fidemnification|examples#provenance]]</td><br />
</tr><br />
<br />
<tr><br />
<td>parent work <em>url?</em></td><br />
<td></td><br />
<td>Should this be a url? Maybe it should be a TBD "media" microformat which may be otherwise described.<br />
<br/>See [[licensing-examples#Attribution_to_derivative.27s_source_work|examples#derivative]]<br/><br />
Probably should be a URL -- a uf can have a #URL if it has an id.</td><br />
</tr><br />
<br />
</table><br />
<br />
<br />
== Attribution Challenges ==<br />
<br />
Tags dealing with specifying sources and tracking a piece of media's path through the Web are a little ambiguous in terms of what they can reference. For instance when specifying a derivative work it could be from another image on the Internet, in which case an URL would be appropriate, or it could be a quotation from a magazine or other "real" world source where an URL doesn't really work. Perhaps we can encourage the content of these 'media source' tags to be one of the following:<br />
<table border="1" cellpadding="3"><br />
<tr><br />
<th>Media source type</th><br />
<th>Format</th><br />
<th>Notes</th><br />
</tr><br />
<tr><br />
<td>Internet source</td><br />
<td>An URL</td><br />
<td></td><br />
</tr><br />
<tr><br />
<td>Person</td><br />
<td>[[hcard]]</td><br />
<td></td><br />
</tr><br />
<tr><br />
<td>Publication <br />(book, magazine, etc.)</td><br />
<td>[[citation]]</td><br />
<td>Citation appears to be heavily weighed towards academia but it looks like it should work for most purposes</td><br />
</tr><br />
<tr><br />
<td>Film/Video</td><br />
<td> ?? </td><br />
<td>I'm not sure about this one. Would citation stretch over visual media? Perhaps [[media-info]]?</td><br />
</tr><br />
</table><br />
<br />
<br />
== Strawman example ==<br />
Perhaps there should be an 'attribution' class which might hint that a fn or url should be used for attribution? Something like (webpage scope):<br />
<br />
<pre><br />
<nowiki><br />
<a class="url attribution fn" href="http://example.com">My First Cookbook</a><br />
<div class="author vcard"><br />
<div class="fn attribution">J Doe</div><br />
</div><br />
<a rel="license" href="http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/2.5/">(cc)</a><br />
<a rel="payment" href="http://paypal.com/...">don't let me starve</a><br />
</nowiki><br />
</pre><br />
<br />
<br />
== Strawman example for media ==<br />
<br />
Note the [[media-info]] is not even defined yet, this is not even strawman quality.<br />
<br />
<pre><br />
<nowiki><br />
<div class="media"><br />
<img class="url attribution mediaitem" src="http://example.com/cake.jpg"/><br />
<span class="fn">Picture of a giant cake</span><br />
<div class="author vcard"><br />
<div class="fn attribution">J Doe</div><br />
</div><br />
<a rel="license" href="http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc/2.5/">(cc)</a><br />
<a rel="payment" href="http://paypal.com/...">don't let me <s>starve</s>eat cake</a><br />
<a rel="payment" href="http://artdelivery.example">buy this pic, framed</a><br />
<a rel="payment" href="http://photoclearing.example">get commercial rights</a><br />
...<br />
</div><br />
</nowiki><br />
</pre><br />
<br />
<br />
== Todo ==<br />
* Answer questions above and those not posed<br />
* Discover and fix gratuitous problems with the above<br />
* Examples working with [[media-info]]<br />
<br />
= Creative Commons Vocab =<br />
<br />
Creative Commons has an [http://creativecommons.org/ns RDF vocabulary] which may be suitable for reuse. Here is an example using the Creative Commons vocab. It goes a long way to meeting all the stated requirements.<br />
<br />
<pre><nowiki><br />
<div class="License"><br />
<a rev="license" href="http://example.org/work">The work</a> is licensed under<br />
the <a rel="legalcode" href="http://example.org/foo">Foo Licence</a>. <br />
Summary: it permits <abbr title="DerivativeWorks" class="permits">derivative<br />
works</abbr> but requires <abbr title="Attribution" class="requires"<br />
>attribution</abbr>. The credit to give when reusing the work is "<span <br />
class="vcard"><a href="http://tobyinkster.co.uk" class="fn url<br />
attributionName" rel="attributionURL">Toby Inkster</a></span>".<br />
</div><br />
</nowiki></pre><br />
<br />
The microformat could use the following terms:<br />
<br />
* '''License''' {1} (root class name)<br />
** legalcode ? (rel value, not class)<br />
** ''morePermissions'' * (rel value, not class)<br />
** ''permits'' * ("Reproduction" | "Distribution" | "DerivativeWorks" | "HighIncomeNationUse" | "Sharing")<br />
** ''requires'' * ("CopyrightNotices" | "Attribution" | "ShareAlike" | "SourceCode")<br />
** ''prohibits'' * ("CommercialUse")<br />
** ''jurisdiction'' * (text | hCard | adr)<br />
** attributionName ?<br />
** attributionURL ? (rel value, not class)<br />
** deprecatedOn ? (ISO date)<br />
<br />
The license linked to using rel="legalcode" (if any) should be taken to be the definitive license. When such a license is present, the "permits", "requires", "prohibits" and "jurisdiction" classes are taken to be merely advisory. When no "legalcode" license is linked to, these classes are definitive.<br />
<br />
[[rel-license]] {{should}} be used to link from the work to the license (an ID attribute on the license will help). A license {{may}} link back to the work using rev="license", but forward links are preferred.<br />
<br />
As an extension to the creative commons vocabulary (which focuses on open-source-like licenses) a payment URL {{may}} be linked to using an anchor element simultaneously carrying class="requires" and rel="payment". Example:<br />
<br />
<pre><nowiki><br />
<a class="requires" rel="payment" href="https://payment.example.org">buy</a><br />
</nowiki></pre><br />
<br />
If [[rel-payment]] is used without a class of "requires", then the link is taken to be an optional payment link - i.e. a donation.</div>RobLintonhttp://microformats.org/wiki/index.php?title=licensing-brainstorming&diff=27796licensing-brainstorming2008-07-17T18:56:56Z<p>RobLinton: /* Discussion */</p>
<hr />
<div>= Licensing Brainstorming =<br />
<br />
The very beginning.<br />
<br />
See [[licensing]] for background.<br />
<br />
== Discussion ==<br />
<br />
Set of classes pertinent to supporting licensing and attribution requirements and complements. These classes could be used at webpage level or within relevant microformats, e.g., [[media-info]].<br />
<br />
The first column may be too URL-centric, see notes for parent work, may apply to others.<br />
<br />
<table border="1" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="2"><br />
<tr><th>Overly descriptive strawman not intended to conform with any convention</th><th>[[existing-classes|Existing class(es)]]; source</th><th>Notes</th></tr><br />
<br />
<tr><br />
<td>work title</td><br />
<td>fn; hCard</td><br />
<td>See [[licensing-examples#Attribution_with_work_title|examples#title]]</td><br />
</tr><br />
<br />
<tr><br />
<td>attribution name, creator?</td><br />
<td>author; hAtom, [[hcard]]</td><br />
<td>Might be a vcard with fn, may also be an organization<br />
<br/>See [[licensing-examples#Attribution_to_creator|examples#attribution]]</td><br />
</tr><br />
<br />
<tr><br />
<td>attribution url</td><br />
<td>url; hCard</td><br />
<td>An author might have a url, should this be taken as the attribution url? If a work has a url, should it be taken as the attribution url?<br />
<br/>See [[licensing-examples#Attribution_with_link_required|examples#link]]</td><br />
</tr><br />
<br />
<tr><br />
<td>donation url</td><br />
<td>payment; rel-payment<br/><br />
offer; hListing</td><br />
<td>How to disambiguate from commercial licensing and purchase?<br />
<br/>See [[licensing-examples#Donation_related_to_work|examples#donation]]</td><br />
</tr><br />
<br />
<tr><br />
<td>commercial licensing url</td><br />
<td>payment; rel-payment<br/><br />
sell, offer; hListing<br/><br />
copyright; HTML LinkType</td><br />
<td>How to disambiguate from donation and purchase?<br />
<br/>See [[licensing-examples#Commercial_licensing|examples#commercial]]</td><br />
</tr><br />
<br />
<tr><br />
<td>purchase url</td><br />
<td>payment; rel-payment<br/><br />
sell, offer; hListing</td><br />
<td>How to disambiguate from donation and commercial licensing?<br />
<br/>See [[licensing-examples#Purchase_related_media|examples#purchase]]</td><br />
</tr><br />
<br />
<tr><br />
<td>content hash</td><br />
<td>checksum, sha1; [[hash-examples]]</td><br />
<td>See [[licensing-examples#License_notice_with_content_hash|examples#hash]]</td><br />
</tr><br />
<br />
<tr><br />
<td>provenance url</td><br />
<td></td><br />
<td>See [[licensing-examples#Rights_provenance.2Fwarranty.2Fidemnification|examples#provenance]]</td><br />
</tr><br />
<br />
<tr><br />
<td>parent work <em>url?</em>, derivative-source</td><br />
<td></td><br />
<td>Should this be a url? Maybe it should be a TBD "media" microformat which may be otherwise described.<br />
<br/>See [[licensing-examples#Attribution_to_derivative.27s_source_work|examples#derivative]]<br/><br />
Probably should be a URL -- a uf can have a #URL if it has an id.</td><br />
</tr><br />
<br />
<tr><br />
<td>origin</td><br />
<td></td><br />
<td>Same as above applies to this tag. Could be an URL, could be a person, could be a publication.</td><br />
</tr><br />
<br />
</table><br />
<br />
== Strawman example ==<br />
Perhaps there should be an 'attribution' class which might hint that a fn or url should be used for attribution? Something like (webpage scope):<br />
<br />
<pre><br />
<nowiki><br />
<a class="url attribution fn" href="http://example.com">My First Cookbook</a><br />
<div class="author vcard"><br />
<div class="fn attribution">J Doe</div><br />
</div><br />
<a rel="license" href="http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/2.5/">(cc)</a><br />
<a rel="payment" href="http://paypal.com/...">don't let me starve</a><br />
</nowiki><br />
</pre><br />
<br />
== Strawman example for media ==<br />
<br />
Note the [[media-info]] is not even defined yet, this is not even strawman quality.<br />
<br />
<pre><br />
<nowiki><br />
<div class="media"><br />
<img class="url attribution mediaitem" src="http://example.com/cake.jpg"/><br />
<span class="fn">Picture of a giant cake</span><br />
<div class="author vcard"><br />
<div class="fn attribution">J Doe</div><br />
</div><br />
<a rel="license" href="http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc/2.5/">(cc)</a><br />
<a rel="payment" href="http://paypal.com/...">don't let me <s>starve</s>eat cake</a><br />
<a rel="payment" href="http://artdelivery.example">buy this pic, framed</a><br />
<a rel="payment" href="http://photoclearing.example">get commercial rights</a><br />
...<br />
</div><br />
</nowiki><br />
</pre><br />
<br />
== Todo ==<br />
* Answer questions above and those not posed<br />
* Discover and fix gratuitous problems with the above<br />
* Examples working with [[media-info]]<br />
<br />
<br />
= Creative Commons Vocab =<br />
<br />
Creative Commons has an [http://creativecommons.org/ns RDF vocabulary] which may be suitable for reuse. Here is an example using the Creative Commons vocab. It goes a long way to meeting all the stated requirements.<br />
<br />
<pre><nowiki><br />
<div class="License"><br />
<a rev="license" href="http://example.org/work">The work</a> is licensed under<br />
the <a rel="legalcode" href="http://example.org/foo">Foo Licence</a>. <br />
Summary: it permits <abbr title="DerivativeWorks" class="permits">derivative<br />
works</abbr> but requires <abbr title="Attribution" class="requires"<br />
>attribution</abbr>. The credit to give when reusing the work is "<span <br />
class="vcard"><a href="http://tobyinkster.co.uk" class="fn url<br />
attributionName" rel="attributionURL">Toby Inkster</a></span>".<br />
</div><br />
</nowiki></pre><br />
<br />
The microformat could use the following terms:<br />
<br />
* '''License''' {1} (root class name)<br />
** legalcode ? (rel value, not class)<br />
** ''morePermissions'' * (rel value, not class)<br />
** ''permits'' * ("Reproduction" | "Distribution" | "DerivativeWorks" | "HighIncomeNationUse" | "Sharing")<br />
** ''requires'' * ("CopyrightNotices" | "Attribution" | "ShareAlike" | "SourceCode")<br />
** ''prohibits'' * ("CommercialUse")<br />
** ''jurisdiction'' * (text | hCard | adr)<br />
** attributionName ?<br />
** attributionURL ? (rel value, not class)<br />
** deprecatedOn ? (ISO date)<br />
<br />
The license linked to using rel="legalcode" (if any) should be taken to be the definitive license. When such a license is present, the "permits", "requires", "prohibits" and "jurisdiction" classes are taken to be merely advisory. When no "legalcode" license is linked to, these classes are definitive.<br />
<br />
[[rel-license]] {{should}} be used to link from the work to the license (an ID attribute on the license will help). A license {{may}} link back to the work using rev="license", but forward links are preferred.<br />
<br />
As an extension to the creative commons vocabulary (which focuses on open-source-like licenses) a payment URL {{may}} be linked to using an anchor element simultaneously carrying class="requires" and rel="payment". Example:<br />
<br />
<pre><nowiki><br />
<a class="requires" rel="payment" href="https://payment.example.org">buy</a><br />
</nowiki></pre><br />
<br />
If [[rel-payment]] is used without a class of "requires", then the link is taken to be an optional payment link - i.e. a donation.</div>RobLintonhttp://microformats.org/wiki/index.php?title=licensing-brainstorming&diff=27795licensing-brainstorming2008-07-17T18:55:56Z<p>RobLinton: /* Licensing Brainstorming */</p>
<hr />
<div>= Licensing Brainstorming =<br />
<br />
The very beginning.<br />
<br />
See [[licensing]] for background.<br />
<br />
<br />
== Discussion ==<br />
<br />
Set of classes pertinent to supporting licensing and attribution requirements and complements. These classes could be used at webpage level or within relevant microformats, e.g., [[media-info]].<br />
<br />
The first column may be too URL-centric, see notes for parent work, may apply to others.<br />
<br />
<table border="1" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="2"><br />
<tr><th>Overly descriptive strawman not intended to conform with any convention</th><th>[[existing-classes|Existing class(es)]]; source</th><th>Notes</th></tr><br />
<br />
<tr><br />
<td>work title</td><br />
<td>fn; hCard</td><br />
<td>See [[licensing-examples#Attribution_with_work_title|examples#title]]</td><br />
</tr><br />
<br />
<tr><br />
<td>attribution name</td><br />
<td>author; hAtom</td><br />
<td>Might be a vcard with fn, may also be an organization<br />
<br/>See [[licensing-examples#Attribution_to_creator|examples#attribution]]</td><br />
</tr><br />
<br />
<tr><br />
<td>attribution url</td><br />
<td>url; hCard</td><br />
<td>An author might have a url, should this be taken as the attribution url? If a work has a url, should it be taken as the attribution url?<br />
<br/>See [[licensing-examples#Attribution_with_link_required|examples#link]]</td><br />
</tr><br />
<br />
<tr><br />
<td>donation url</td><br />
<td>payment; rel-payment<br/><br />
offer; hListing</td><br />
<td>How to disambiguate from commercial licensing and purchase?<br />
<br/>See [[licensing-examples#Donation_related_to_work|examples#donation]]</td><br />
</tr><br />
<br />
<tr><br />
<td>commercial licensing url</td><br />
<td>payment; rel-payment<br/><br />
sell, offer; hListing<br/><br />
copyright; HTML LinkType</td><br />
<td>How to disambiguate from donation and purchase?<br />
<br/>See [[licensing-examples#Commercial_licensing|examples#commercial]]</td><br />
</tr><br />
<br />
<tr><br />
<td>purchase url</td><br />
<td>payment; rel-payment<br/><br />
sell, offer; hListing</td><br />
<td>How to disambiguate from donation and commercial licensing?<br />
<br/>See [[licensing-examples#Purchase_related_media|examples#purchase]]</td><br />
</tr><br />
<br />
<tr><br />
<td>content hash</td><br />
<td>checksum, sha1; [[hash-examples]]</td><br />
<td>See [[licensing-examples#License_notice_with_content_hash|examples#hash]]</td><br />
</tr><br />
<br />
<tr><br />
<td>provenance url</td><br />
<td></td><br />
<td>See [[licensing-examples#Rights_provenance.2Fwarranty.2Fidemnification|examples#provenance]]</td><br />
</tr><br />
<br />
<tr><br />
<td>parent work <em>url?</em></td><br />
<td></td><br />
<td>Should this be a url? Maybe it should be a TBD "media" microformat which may be otherwise described.<br />
<br/>See [[licensing-examples#Attribution_to_derivative.27s_source_work|examples#derivative]]<br/><br />
Probably should be a URL -- a uf can have a #URL if it has an id.</td><br />
</tr><br />
<br />
</table><br />
<br />
<br />
== Attribution Challenges ==<br />
<br />
Tags dealing with specifying sources and tracking a piece of media's path through the Web are a little ambiguous in terms of what they can reference. For instance the source of a derivative work could be from another image on the Internet, in which case an URL would be appropriate, or it could be a quotation from a magazine or other "real" world source where an URL won't work. Perhaps we can encourage the content of these 'media source' tags to be one of the following:<br />
<table border="1" cellpadding="3"><br />
<tr><br />
<th>Media source type</th><br />
<th>Format</th><br />
<th>Notes</th><br />
</tr><br />
<tr><br />
<td>Internet source</td><br />
<td>An URL</td><br />
<td></td><br />
</tr><br />
<tr><br />
<td>Person</td><br />
<td>[[hcard]]</td><br />
<td></td><br />
</tr><br />
<tr><br />
<td>Publication <br />(book, magazine, etc.)</td><br />
<td>[[citation]]</td><br />
<td>Citation appears to be heavily weighted towards academia but it looks like it should work for most purposes</td><br />
</tr><br />
<tr><br />
<td>Film/Video</td><br />
<td> ?? </td><br />
<td>I'm not sure about this one. Would citation stretch over visual media? Perhaps [[media-info]]?</td><br />
</tr><br />
</table><br />
<br />
<br />
== Strawman example ==<br />
Perhaps there should be an 'attribution' class which might hint that a fn or url should be used for attribution? Something like (webpage scope):<br />
<br />
<pre><br />
<nowiki><br />
<a class="url attribution fn" href="http://example.com">My First Cookbook</a><br />
<div class="author vcard"><br />
<div class="fn attribution">J Doe</div><br />
</div><br />
<a rel="license" href="http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/2.5/">(cc)</a><br />
<a rel="payment" href="http://paypal.com/...">don't let me starve</a><br />
</nowiki><br />
</pre><br />
<br />
<br />
== Strawman example for media ==<br />
<br />
Note the [[media-info]] is not even defined yet, this is not even strawman quality.<br />
<br />
<pre><br />
<nowiki><br />
<div class="media"><br />
<img class="url attribution mediaitem" src="http://example.com/cake.jpg"/><br />
<span class="fn">Picture of a giant cake</span><br />
<div class="author vcard"><br />
<div class="fn attribution">J Doe</div><br />
</div><br />
<a rel="license" href="http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc/2.5/">(cc)</a><br />
<a rel="payment" href="http://paypal.com/...">don't let me <s>starve</s>eat cake</a><br />
<a rel="payment" href="http://artdelivery.example">buy this pic, framed</a><br />
<a rel="payment" href="http://photoclearing.example">get commercial rights</a><br />
...<br />
</div><br />
</nowiki><br />
</pre><br />
<br />
<br />
== Todo ==<br />
* Answer questions above and those not posed<br />
* Discover and fix gratuitous problems with the above<br />
* Examples working with [[media-info]]<br />
<br />
= Creative Commons Vocab =<br />
<br />
Creative Commons has an [http://creativecommons.org/ns RDF vocabulary] which may be suitable for reuse. Here is an example using the Creative Commons vocab. It goes a long way to meeting all the stated requirements.<br />
<br />
<pre><nowiki><br />
<div class="License"><br />
<a rev="license" href="http://example.org/work">The work</a> is licensed under<br />
the <a rel="legalcode" href="http://example.org/foo">Foo Licence</a>. <br />
Summary: it permits <abbr title="DerivativeWorks" class="permits">derivative<br />
works</abbr> but requires <abbr title="Attribution" class="requires"<br />
>attribution</abbr>. The credit to give when reusing the work is "<span <br />
class="vcard"><a href="http://tobyinkster.co.uk" class="fn url<br />
attributionName" rel="attributionURL">Toby Inkster</a></span>".<br />
</div><br />
</nowiki></pre><br />
<br />
The microformat could use the following terms:<br />
<br />
* '''License''' {1} (root class name)<br />
** legalcode ? (rel value, not class)<br />
** ''morePermissions'' * (rel value, not class)<br />
** ''permits'' * ("Reproduction" | "Distribution" | "DerivativeWorks" | "HighIncomeNationUse" | "Sharing")<br />
** ''requires'' * ("CopyrightNotices" | "Attribution" | "ShareAlike" | "SourceCode")<br />
** ''prohibits'' * ("CommercialUse")<br />
** ''jurisdiction'' * (text | hCard | adr)<br />
** attributionName ?<br />
** attributionURL ? (rel value, not class)<br />
** deprecatedOn ? (ISO date)<br />
<br />
The license linked to using rel="legalcode" (if any) should be taken to be the definitive license. When such a license is present, the "permits", "requires", "prohibits" and "jurisdiction" classes are taken to be merely advisory. When no "legalcode" license is linked to, these classes are definitive.<br />
<br />
[[rel-license]] {{should}} be used to link from the work to the license (an ID attribute on the license will help). A license {{may}} link back to the work using rev="license", but forward links are preferred.<br />
<br />
As an extension to the creative commons vocabulary (which focuses on open-source-like licenses) a payment URL {{may}} be linked to using an anchor element simultaneously carrying class="requires" and rel="payment". Example:<br />
<br />
<pre><nowiki><br />
<a class="requires" rel="payment" href="https://payment.example.org">buy</a><br />
</nowiki></pre><br />
<br />
If [[rel-payment]] is used without a class of "requires", then the link is taken to be an optional payment link - i.e. a donation.</div>RobLintonhttp://microformats.org/wiki/index.php?title=User:RobLinton&diff=34274User:RobLinton2008-07-11T20:18:29Z<p>RobLinton: </p>
<hr />
<div>I live and work in Vancouver, Canada.</div>RobLintonhttp://microformats.org/wiki/index.php?title=irc-people&diff=27675irc-people2008-07-11T20:17:53Z<p>RobLinton: </p>
<hr />
<div>A list of [[irc|IRC]] regulars, sorted by nick, and their normal timezones (winter/summer).<br />
<br />
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** [http://theryanking.com/blog/archives/2006/04/19/office-hours/ Office hours]: Wednesday, 21:00 UTC<br />
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* <span class="vcard"><span class="fn org">[[mfbot]]</span> - a bot which logs all edits to this wiki. It appends a number with a '+' or '-' sign, to indicate the number of characters added or removed as a result of the edit.</span><br />
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* {{irc user|MikeKaply|mkaply|-0600/-0500}}<br />
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* {{irc user|RobManson|nambor|+1000}}<br />
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* {{irc user|Andy Pemberton|pembertona|-0500/-0400}}<br />
* {{irc user|Phae|Phae|+0000/+0100}}<br />
* {{irc user|pius|Pius Uzamere|+0500}}<br />
* {{irc user|PriitLaes|plaes|+0200/+0300}}<br />
* {{irc user|ChrisCasciano|pnhChris|-0500/-0400}}<br />
* {{irc user|PetarPopov|popov|-0800/-0700}}<br />
* {{irc user|Pfefferle|pfefferle|+0100/+0200}}<br />
* {{irc user|DavidOsolkowski|qid|-0500}}<br />
* {{irc user|RCanine|RCanine|-0500/-0400}}<br />
* {{irc user|Remi|Remi|-0500/-0400}}<br />
* {{irc user|ZachCarter|riah|-0500/-0400}}<br />
* {{irc user|RobertBachmann|RobertBachmann|+0100/+0200}}<br />
** Office hours: <s>Wednesday, 18:00-20:00 UTC</s> (Currently no office hours}}<br />
* {{irc user|RobLinton|RobLinton|-0800/-0700}}<br />
* {{irc user|Ronnos|Ron Kok|+0000}}<br />
* {{irc user|SarahWorsham|sazbean|-0500/-0400}}<br />
* {{irc user|ScottNelle|snelle|-0500/-0400}}<br />
* {{irc user|ScottRozic|gravitas|-0500/+0100}}<br />
* {{irc user|Dana Benson|Snowden|-0800/-0700}}<br />
* {{irc user|SinDoc|SinDoc|+0100/+0200}}<br />
* {{irc user|Smackman|Steve Farrell|-0800/-0700}}<br />
* {{irc user|SpikeUK|SpikeUK|+0000/+0100}}<br />
* {{irc user|Steve Ganz|SteveGanz|-0800/-0700}}<br />
* {{irc user|Stii|Stii|+0200 GMT}}<br />
* {{irc user|ReinierZ|surial|+0100 GMT}}<br />
* {{irc user|SuperPhly|SuperPhly|-600/-500}}<br />
* {{irc user|SyedSRahman|syedsrahman|+0530}}<br />
* <span class="vcard"><span class="fn">sym[[User:LynX|lynX]]</span></span> or (better) [[User:LynX|lynX]] on [http://about.psyc.eu PSYC] (+0100}}<br />
* {{irc user|DavidLehn|taaz|-0500/-0400}}<br />
* {{irc user|Tantek|Tantek|-0800/-0700}}<br />
* {{irc user|Wojciech|theanxy|+0100/+0200}}<br />
* {{irc user|TheJbf|thejbf|+0100/+0200}}<br />
* {{irc user|TobyInk|tobyink|+0000/+0100}}<br />
* {{irc user|Trovster|trovster|-0800/-0700}}<br />
* {{irc user|Vadania|vadania|-0600/-0700}}<br />
* {{irc user|Vant|vant|+0900}}<br />
* {{irc user|Victor|victor|+0100/+0200}}<br />
* {{irc user|V-I-P|V-I-P|+0100/+0200}}<br />
* {{irc user|KrissWatt|VoodooChild|+0000/+0100}}<br />
* {{irc user|WebOrganics|weborganics|+0100}}<br />
* {{irc user|JacksonWilkinson|whafro|-0500/-0400}}<br />
* {{irc user|Richard Conyard|WhiskeyM|+0000}}<br />
* {{irc user|Veeliam|William Lawrence|-0800/-0700}}<br />
* {{irc user|StevenWoods|woodss|+0000 GMT}}<br />
* {{irc user|Ianloic|yakk|-0800/-0700}}<br />
* {{irc user|LarsStrojny|mastaYoda|+0100}}<br />
* {{irc user|ZimbaTm|zimbatm|+0100}}<br />
* {{irc user|FoundAtion|Foundation|-0800}}<br />
* {{irc user|PJKix|pjkix|-0800/-700}}<br />
* {{irc user| ChrisBroadfoot|broady|+1000}}<br />
* {{irc user|Natalie Downe|NatBat|+0000}}<br />
* {{irc user|Dotjay|dotjay|+0000}}<br />
* {{irc user|Kiryl Zhybul|zkv|+0400}}<br />
* {{irc user|ScottThorpe|Salve|-0800/-0700}}</div>RobLintonhttp://microformats.org/wiki/index.php?title=irc-people&diff=27674irc-people2008-07-11T20:17:26Z<p>RobLinton: </p>
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<div>A list of [[irc|IRC]] regulars, sorted by nick, and their normal timezones (winter/summer).<br />
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* {{irc user|Amodal1| amodal1|-0500/-0600}}<br />
* {{irc user|Adam Ballai|AdamBallai|-700/-700}}<br />
* {{irc user|Adam Craven|AdamCraven|+0000}}<br />
* {{irc user|Alexander Graf|AlexanderGraf|+0100}}<br />
* {{irc user|Tomasino|aloneone|-0500}}<br />
* {{irc user|AmanuelTewolde|Amanuel|-0500/-0400}}<br />
* {{irc user|Amette|amette|+1000}}<br />
* {{irc user|Amir Guindehi|AmirGuindehi|+1000}}<br />
* {{irc user|Andr3|andr3|+0000}}<br />
* {{irc user|Ajaswa|Andrew Jaswa|-0500}}<br />
* {{irc user|AndrewDisley|AndrewDisley|+0000}}<br />
* {{irc user|AnselHalliburton|anselxyz|-0800/-0700}}<br />
* {{irc user|Ashe Dryden|Ashe|-600}}<br />
* {{irc user|Ashley|Ashley|+1000}}<br />
* {{irc user|Azathoth|Florian Beer|+1000}}<br />
* {{irc user|Tyler Roehmholdt|Baristo|-0800/-0700}}<br />
* {{irc user|BenjaminCarlyle|BenjaminCarlyle|+1000}}<br />
* {{irc user|HenriBergius|bergie|+0200/+0300}}<br />
* {{irc user|Ben Ward|BenWard|+0000}}<br />
* {{irc user|BenWest|bewest|-0800/-0700}}<br />
* {{irc user|B.K._DeLong|bkdelong|-0500/-0400}}<br />
* {{irc user|Robert|blueace|+0100}}<br />
* {{irc user|BluesMoon|bluesmoon|+0530}}<br />
* {{irc user|BobChao|BobChao|+0800}}<br />
* {{irc user|Bob Jonkman|BobJonkman|-0500/-0400}}<br />
* {{irc user|Boneill|boneill|+0000}}<br />
* {{irc user|Brian|briansuda|+0000}}<br />
* {{irc user|TimT|bringo|-0800/-0700}}<br />
* {{irc user|Briski|Briski|+0000}}<br />
* {{irc user|BryanL|BryanL|-0500/-0400}}<br />
* {{irc user|BryanRieger|Bryan Rieger|+0000}}<br />
* {{irc user|Bug-E|Bug-E|+0200}}<br />
* {{irc user|CarlaHufstedler|carlamagpie|-0500/-0400}}<br />
* {{irc user|Colin_Barrett|cbarrett|-1000}}<br />
* {{irc user|Cognizance|Cognizance|-0800/-0700}}<br />
* {{irc user|ColinDDevroe|cdevroe|-0500/-0600}}<br />
* {{irc user|Cgriego|cgriego|-0600/-0500}}<br />
* {{irc user|Charlvn|Charl|+0200/+0200}}<br />
* {{irc user|CharlesRoper|charles_r|0000/+0100}}<br />
* {{irc user|ChristopherStJohn|cks|-0600/-0500}}<br />
* {{irc user|JeremyBoggs|clioweb|-5000/-4000}}<br />
* {{irc user|Cloud|Cloud|+0000}}<br />
* {{irc user|Cruster|cruster|+0200}}<br />
* {{irc user|Csarven|csarven|-0500/-0400}}<br />
* {{irc user|ChrisBrentano|ctb|-0800/-0700}}<br />
* {{irc user|DanC|DanC|-0600/-0500}}<br />
* {{irc user|DanielBurka|DanielBurka|-0400}}<br />
* {{irc user|DanielJohnLewis|danieljohnlewis|0000}}<br />
* {{irc user|DannyAyers|danja|+0100/+0200}}<br />
* {{irc user|Dave Cardwell|davecardwell|+0000}}<br />
* {{irc user|DavidMead|DavidMead|-0400}}<br />
* {{irc user|DavidRussell|davidrussell|-0600/-0500}}<br />
* {{irc user|DBounds|Darren Bounds|-0500}}<br />
* {{irc user|DenisDefreyne|ddfreyne|+0100/+0200}}<br />
* {{irc user|DeanEro|deanero|-0800/-0700}}<br />
* {{irc user|DeepText|Deep Text|-0800/-0700}}<br />
* {{irc user|DerrickPallas|DerrickPallas|-0800/-0700}}<br />
* {{irc user|DimitriGlazkov|dglazkov|-0600/-0500}}<br />
* {{irc user|DiegoBudny|DiegoBudny|<small>-unspecified-</small>}}<br />
* {{irc user|DKerzman|DKerzman|-0600}}<br />
* {{irc user|Dan Kubb|dkubb|-0800/-0700}}<br />
* {{irc user|DrErnie|DrErnie|-0800/-0700}}<br />
* {{irc user|DrewMcLellan|drewinthehead|+0000/+0100}}<br />
* {{irc user|DrewBell|droob|-0600/-0500}}<br />
* {{irc user|DimitriosZachariadis|dzach|+0200/+0300}}<br />
* {{irc user|DydimusTK|dydimustk|-0600}}<br />
* {{irc user|Ed Summers|edsu|-0500/-0400}}<br />
* {{irc user|Enric|Enric|-0800/-0700}} (alt sp "enric")<br />
* {{irc user|Evan|evanpro|-0500}}<br />
* {{irc user|Evan|e_s_p|-0500}}<br />
* {{irc user|EdwardWelker|ewelker|-0500}}<br />
* {{irc user|ChrisMessina|factoryjoe|-0800/-0700}}<br />
* {{irc user|Fil|Fil|+0200}}<br />
* {{irc user|CFinke|Finke|-0700/-0600}}<br />
* {{irc user|MarkoMrdjenovic|friedcell|+0100/+0200}}<br />
* {{irc user|GarethR|garethr|+0000/+0100}}<br />
* {{irc user|Grantbow|Grantbow|-0800/-0700}}<br />
* {{irc user|Griffin|Griffin|-0600/-0500}}<br />
* {{irc user|Guillaume Lebleu|glebleu|-0800}}<br />
* {{irc user|Aubergine10|Guy Fraser|+0100/+0000}}<br />
* {{irc user|HenrichPoehls|HenrichP|+0100}}<br />
* {{irc user|IanHickson|Hixie|-0800/-0700}}<br />
* {{irc user|Hlb|hlb|+0800-0700}}<br />
* {{irc user|EdwardOConnor|hober|-0800/-0700}}<br />
* {{irc user|Ichigo|ichigo|+1000}}<br />
* {{irc user|Alper|illustir|+0100}}<br />
* {{irc user|Inkbase|inkbase|-0800/-0700}}<br />
* {{irc user|IwaiMasaharu|iwaim|+0900}}<br />
* {{irc user|Izo|IZO|<small>-unspecified-</small>}}<br />
* {{irc user|JamieKnight|JamieKnight|+1000/0000}}<br />
* {{irc user|JoeGregorio|jcgregorio|<small>-unspecified-</small>}}<br />
* {{irc user|WizardIsHungry|jcw9|-0500/-0400}}<br />
* {{irc user|Adactio|Jeremy Keith|+0000}}<br />
* {{irc user|jrodgers|JesseRodgers|-0500}}<br />
* {{irc user|JasonK|jkridner|-0600/-0500}}<br />
* {{irc user|JeffMcNeill|jeffmcneill|-1000}}<br />
* {{irc user|JimboJW|jimbojw|-0600/-0500}}<br />
* {{irc user|Jonathan_Arkell|jonnay|-0700/0600}}<br />
* {{irc user|JosephHolsten|josephholsten|-0600/-0500}}<br />
* {{irc user|JulianStahnke|julianstahnke|+0000}}<br />
* {{irc user|Kapowaz|kapowaz|+0000/+0100}}<br />
* {{irc user|Keri Henare|kerihenare|+1200}}<br />
* [http://epeus.blogspot.com/ KevinMarks] (-0800/-0700)<br />
* {{irc user|RyanKing|kingryan|-0800/-0700}}<br />
** [http://theryanking.com/blog/archives/2006/04/19/office-hours/ Office hours]: Wednesday, 21:00 UTC<br />
* {{irc user|Lachlan Hunt|Lachy|+1000/+1100}}<br />
* {{irc user|Levitation|levitation[A]|+0200/+0300}}<br />
* {{irc user|Linmic|linmic|+0800-0700}}<br />
* {{irc user|MarkNg|madness|+0000/+0100}}<br />
* {{irc user|Mark Mansour|Mark Mansour|+1100}}<br />
* {{irc user|MarkNormanFrancis|Mark Norman Francis|+0000/+0100}}<br />
* {{irc user|Maddiin|Martin Czura|+0100}}<br />
* {{irc user|MattBowen|Matt Bowen|-0500/-0400}}<br />
* {{irc user|MattisManzel|Mattis Manzel|+0100/+0200}}<br />
* {{irc user|CiaranMc|McNulty|+0000/+0100}}<br />
* <span class="vcard"><span class="fn org">[[mfbot]]</span> - a bot which logs all edits to this wiki. It appends a number with a '+' or '-' sign, to indicate the number of characters added or removed as a result of the edit.</span><br />
* {{irc user|Mike|Michael McCracken(mmc)|-0800/-0700}}<br />
* {{irc user|MikeKaply|mkaply|-0600/-0500}}<br />
* {{irc user|SteveIvy|monkinetic/redmonk|-0700}}<br />
* {{irc user|MWTE|mwte|+0000/+0100}}<br />
* {{irc user|RobManson|nambor|+1000}}<br />
* {{irc user|Nelix|nelix|+1000}}<br />
* {{irc user|neuro|neuro|<small>-unspecified-</small>}}<br />
* {{irc user|Niekie|niekie|+0100/+0200}}<br />
* {{irc user|NTollervey|ntoll|+0000/+0100}}<br />
* {{irc user|Pawlik|pawlik|+0100/+0200}}<br />
* {{irc user|Andy Pemberton|pembertona|-0500/-0400}}<br />
* {{irc user|Phae|Phae|+0000/+0100}}<br />
* {{irc user|pius|Pius Uzamere|+0500}}<br />
* {{irc user|PriitLaes|plaes|+0200/+0300}}<br />
* {{irc user|ChrisCasciano|pnhChris|-0500/-0400}}<br />
* {{irc user|PetarPopov|popov|-0800/-0700}}<br />
* {{irc user|Pfefferle|pfefferle|+0100/+0200}}<br />
* {{irc user|DavidOsolkowski|qid|-0500}}<br />
* {{irc user|RCanine|RCanine|-0500/-0400}}<br />
* {{irc user|Remi|Remi|-0500/-0400}}<br />
* {{irc user|ZachCarter|riah|-0500/-0400}}<br />
* {{irc user|RobertBachmann|RobertBachmann|+0100/+0200}}<br />
* {{irc user|RobLinton|RobLinton|-0800/-0700}}<br />
** Office hours: <s>Wednesday, 18:00-20:00 UTC</s> (Currently no office hours}}<br />
* {{irc user|Ronnos|Ron Kok|+0000}}<br />
* {{irc user|SarahWorsham|sazbean|-0500/-0400}}<br />
* {{irc user|ScottNelle|snelle|-0500/-0400}}<br />
* {{irc user|ScottRozic|gravitas|-0500/+0100}}<br />
* {{irc user|Dana Benson|Snowden|-0800/-0700}}<br />
* {{irc user|SinDoc|SinDoc|+0100/+0200}}<br />
* {{irc user|Smackman|Steve Farrell|-0800/-0700}}<br />
* {{irc user|SpikeUK|SpikeUK|+0000/+0100}}<br />
* {{irc user|Steve Ganz|SteveGanz|-0800/-0700}}<br />
* {{irc user|Stii|Stii|+0200 GMT}}<br />
* {{irc user|ReinierZ|surial|+0100 GMT}}<br />
* {{irc user|SuperPhly|SuperPhly|-600/-500}}<br />
* {{irc user|SyedSRahman|syedsrahman|+0530}}<br />
* <span class="vcard"><span class="fn">sym[[User:LynX|lynX]]</span></span> or (better) [[User:LynX|lynX]] on [http://about.psyc.eu PSYC] (+0100}}<br />
* {{irc user|DavidLehn|taaz|-0500/-0400}}<br />
* {{irc user|Tantek|Tantek|-0800/-0700}}<br />
* {{irc user|Wojciech|theanxy|+0100/+0200}}<br />
* {{irc user|TheJbf|thejbf|+0100/+0200}}<br />
* {{irc user|TobyInk|tobyink|+0000/+0100}}<br />
* {{irc user|Trovster|trovster|-0800/-0700}}<br />
* {{irc user|Vadania|vadania|-0600/-0700}}<br />
* {{irc user|Vant|vant|+0900}}<br />
* {{irc user|Victor|victor|+0100/+0200}}<br />
* {{irc user|V-I-P|V-I-P|+0100/+0200}}<br />
* {{irc user|KrissWatt|VoodooChild|+0000/+0100}}<br />
* {{irc user|WebOrganics|weborganics|+0100}}<br />
* {{irc user|JacksonWilkinson|whafro|-0500/-0400}}<br />
* {{irc user|Richard Conyard|WhiskeyM|+0000}}<br />
* {{irc user|Veeliam|William Lawrence|-0800/-0700}}<br />
* {{irc user|StevenWoods|woodss|+0000 GMT}}<br />
* {{irc user|Ianloic|yakk|-0800/-0700}}<br />
* {{irc user|LarsStrojny|mastaYoda|+0100}}<br />
* {{irc user|ZimbaTm|zimbatm|+0100}}<br />
* {{irc user|FoundAtion|Foundation|-0800}}<br />
* {{irc user|PJKix|pjkix|-0800/-700}}<br />
* {{irc user| ChrisBroadfoot|broady|+1000}}<br />
* {{irc user|Natalie Downe|NatBat|+0000}}<br />
* {{irc user|Dotjay|dotjay|+0000}}<br />
* {{irc user|Kiryl Zhybul|zkv|+0400}}<br />
* {{irc user|ScottThorpe|Salve|-0800/-0700}}</div>RobLinton