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AndyMabbett: /* History */ fmt

2008-01-11T01:41:43Z

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	====History====		====History====

	# ALT was proposed on the mailing list: http://microformats.org/discuss/mail/microformats-new/2007-July/~~000593~~.html		# [http://microformats.org/discuss/mail/microformats-new/2007-July/000593.html ALT was proposed on the mailing list]
	# The point was raised that ALT tags are not used properly on the web: http://microformats.org/discuss/mail/microformats-new/2007-July/~~000598~~.html		# [http://microformats.org/discuss/mail/microformats-new/2007-July/000598.html The point was raised that ALT tags are not used properly on the web]
	# Research was started on ALT tag usage on the web: http://microformats.org/discuss/mail/microformats-new/2007-July/~~000614~~.html ~~and~~ http://microformats.org/discuss/mail/microformats-new/2007-July/~~000596~~.html		# [http://microformats.org/discuss/mail/microformats-new/2007-July/000614.html Research was started on ALT tag usage on the web] and [http://microformats.org/discuss/mail/microformats-new/2007-July/000596.html]
	# Analysis on ALT tag usage on the web was reported: http://microformats.org/discuss/mail/microformats-new/2007-July/~~000624~~.html ~~and~~ http://microformats.org/discuss/mail/microformats-new/2007-July/~~000627~~.html		# [http://microformats.org/discuss/mail/microformats-new/2007-July/000624.html Analysis on ALT tag usage on the web was reported] and [http://microformats.org/discuss/mail/microformats-new/2007-July/000627.html]
	# A very long argument started on the use/mis-use of ALT: http://microformats.org/discuss/mail/microformats-new/2007-July/~~000603~~.html		# [http://microformats.org/discuss/mail/microformats-new/2007-July/000603.html A very long argument started on the use/mis-use of ALT]
	# More research was performed and presented to the list asserting that ALT is not being mis-used on the web: http://microformats.org/discuss/mail/microformats-new/2007-July/~~000629~~.html		# [http://microformats.org/discuss/mail/microformats-new/2007-July/000629.html More research was performed and presented to the list asserting that ALT is not being mis-used on the web]
	# It was asserted that the research completed was not acceptable: http://microformats.org/discuss/mail/microformats-new/2007-July/~~000635~~.html		# [http://microformats.org/discuss/mail/microformats-new/2007-July/000635.html It was asserted that the research completed was not acceptable]
	# Things got nasty: http://microformats.org/discuss/mail/microformats-new/2007-July/~~000637~~.html		# [http://microformats.org/discuss/mail/microformats-new/2007-July/000637.html Things got nasty]
	# Posting stopped due to an End of Thread request~~: http://microformats.org/discuss/mail/microformats-new/2007-July/000644.html~~		# [http://microformats.org/discuss/mail/microformats-new/2007-July/000644.html Posting stopped due to an End of Thread request]
	# The issue and discussion was documented on the wiki.		# The issue and discussion was documented on the wiki.

	== Related Pages ==		== Related Pages ==
	{{haudio-related-pages}}		{{haudio-related-pages}}

ManuSporny: Resolved issues 2, 9, 10, 11 and 13

2007-11-03T15:23:09Z

Resolved issues 2, 9, 10, 11 and 13

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JeffMcNeill: vote on TRACK vs. ITEM

2007-10-14T21:35:49Z

vote on TRACK vs. ITEM

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	* +1 for ITEM [[User:SenorPantalones\|JustinMaxwell]] 14:14, 14 Oct 2007 (PDT)		* +1 for ITEM [[User:SenorPantalones\|JustinMaxwell]] 14:14, 14 Oct 2007 (PDT)
	* +1 for ITEM [[User:WebOrganics\|Martin McEvoy]] 22:21, 14 Oct 2007 (GMT)		* +1 for ITEM [[User:WebOrganics\|Martin McEvoy]] 22:21, 14 Oct 2007 (GMT)
			* +1 for TRACK --[[User:JeffMcNeill\|jeffmcneill]] 14:35, 14 Oct 2007 (PDT) (that is if I have a vote, I have only been lurking on the discussion)

	=Problem: TRACK does not work in tables=		=Problem: TRACK does not work in tables=

WebOrganics: /* Feedback */

2007-10-14T21:21:16Z

Feedback

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	* +1 for TRACK [[User:ManuSporny\|ManuSporny]] 13:56, 14 Oct 2007 (PDT)		* +1 for TRACK [[User:ManuSporny\|ManuSporny]] 13:56, 14 Oct 2007 (PDT)
	* +1 for ITEM [[User:SenorPantalones\|JustinMaxwell]] 14:14, 14 Oct 2007 (PDT)		* +1 for ITEM [[User:SenorPantalones\|JustinMaxwell]] 14:14, 14 Oct 2007 (PDT)
			* +1 for ITEM [[User:WebOrganics\|Martin McEvoy]] 22:21, 14 Oct 2007 (GMT)

	=Problem: TRACK does not work in tables=		=Problem: TRACK does not work in tables=

SenorPantalones: /* Feedback */

2007-10-14T21:15:35Z

Feedback

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	* +1 for TRACK [[User:ManuSporny\|ManuSporny]] 13:56, 14 Oct 2007 (PDT)		* +1 for TRACK [[User:ManuSporny\|ManuSporny]] 13:56, 14 Oct 2007 (PDT)
			* +1 for ITEM [[User:SenorPantalones\|JustinMaxwell]] 14:14, 14 Oct 2007 (PDT)

	=Problem: TRACK does not work in tables=		=Problem: TRACK does not work in tables=

ManuSporny: /* Proposal for ITEM */

2007-10-14T21:05:40Z

Proposal for ITEM

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	using either:		using either:

	a) plain-text, if the property contains only the name of the item.		# plain-text, if the property contains only the name of the item.
	b) "fn", if the property contains multiple Microformat properties.		# "fn", if the property contains multiple Microformat properties.

	ITEM MAY contain other properties/Microformats, but anything other than		ITEM MAY contain other properties/Microformats, but anything other than

ManuSporny: Added hAudio ISSUE #13

2007-10-14T20:56:53Z

Added hAudio ISSUE #13

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 * +1 for displaying what a common text-only browser or screen reader would display [[User:ManuSporny|ManuSporny]] 06:46, 14 Aug 2007 (PDT)
 * +1 Display what common text-only browser displays [[User:WebOrganics|Martin McEvoy]] 15:58, 14 Aug 2007 (GMT)
 =Problem: TRACK does not work in tables=

ManuSporny: /* Votes */

2007-10-14T20:38:46Z

Votes

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	# Use PHOTO instead.		# Use PHOTO instead.

	=== ~~Votes~~ ===		=== Feedback ===

	* +1 for using PHOTO [[User:ManuSporny\|ManuSporny]] 06:40, 14 Aug 2007 (PDT)		* +1 for using PHOTO [[User:ManuSporny\|ManuSporny]] 06:40, 14 Aug 2007 (PDT)

ManuSporny: Changed Votes titles to Feedback titles - it reflects what the section was intended for a bit better

2007-10-14T20:38:26Z

Changed Votes titles to Feedback titles - it reflects what the section was intended for a bit better

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	# Use RECORDING instead for singular audio recordings (songs, movements, chapters) and ALBUM/RELEASE for collections of audio recordings.		# Use RECORDING instead for singular audio recordings (songs, movements, chapters) and ALBUM/RELEASE for collections of audio recordings.

	===~~Votes~~===		===Feedback===

	* +1 : use RECORDING and ALBUM [[User:ManuSporny\|ManuSporny]] 18:20, 27 Sep 2007 (PDT)		* +1 : use RECORDING and ALBUM [[User:ManuSporny\|ManuSporny]] 18:20, 27 Sep 2007 (PDT)
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	# Keep ALBUM-TITLE		# Keep ALBUM-TITLE

	=== ~~Votes~~ ===		=== Feedback ===

	* +1 for using ALBUM [[User:ManuSporny\|ManuSporny]] 09:31, 12 Sep 2007 (PDT)		* +1 for using ALBUM [[User:ManuSporny\|ManuSporny]] 09:31, 12 Sep 2007 (PDT)
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	* TRACK - used for each item in the audio-recording collection above.		* TRACK - used for each item in the audio-recording collection above.

	=== ~~Votes~~ ===		=== Feedback ===

	* +1 for using ALBUM [[User:ManuSporny\|ManuSporny]] 09:31, 12 Sep 2007 (PDT)		* +1 for using ALBUM [[User:ManuSporny\|ManuSporny]] 09:31, 12 Sep 2007 (PDT)
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	Create a specific new property that defines the label title, or other <code>displayable</code> Microformat class that should specify the text value to be used.		Create a specific new property that defines the label title, or other <code>displayable</code> Microformat class that should specify the text value to be used.

	===~~Votes~~===		===Feedback===

	* +1 for not specifying, but providing best practices section [[User:ManuSporny\|ManuSporny]] 06:54, 14 Aug 2007 (PDT)		* +1 for not specifying, but providing best practices section [[User:ManuSporny\|ManuSporny]] 06:54, 14 Aug 2007 (PDT)
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	# The point was raised that ALT tags are not used properly on the web: http://microformats.org/discuss/mail/microformats-new/2007-July/000598.html and http://microformats.org/wiki/hcard-faq#Why_is_IMG_alt_not_being_picked_up		# The point was raised that ALT tags are not used properly on the web: http://microformats.org/discuss/mail/microformats-new/2007-July/000598.html and http://microformats.org/wiki/hcard-faq#Why_is_IMG_alt_not_being_picked_up

	===~~Votes~~===		===Feedback===

	* +1 for displaying what a common text-only browser or screen reader would display [[User:ManuSporny\|ManuSporny]] 06:46, 14 Aug 2007 (PDT)		* +1 for displaying what a common text-only browser or screen reader would display [[User:ManuSporny\|ManuSporny]] 06:46, 14 Aug 2007 (PDT)
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	* Allow HAUDIO to co-exist with TRACK		* Allow HAUDIO to co-exist with TRACK

	===~~Votes~~===		===Feedback===

	* +1 for allowing HAUDIO to co-exist with TRACK [[User:ManuSporny\|ManuSporny]] 19:52, 4 Oct 2007 (PDT)		* +1 for allowing HAUDIO to co-exist with TRACK [[User:ManuSporny\|ManuSporny]] 19:52, 4 Oct 2007 (PDT)
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	# Use DTSTART instead		# Use DTSTART instead

	===~~Votes~~===		===Feedback===

	* +1 for using PUBLISHED instead of PUBLISHED-DATE [[User:ManuSporny\|ManuSporny]] 06:41, 14 Aug 2007 (PDT)		* +1 for using PUBLISHED instead of PUBLISHED-DATE [[User:ManuSporny\|ManuSporny]] 06:41, 14 Aug 2007 (PDT)
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	* Add audio descriptions to the hAudio specification using DESCRIPTION		* Add audio descriptions to the hAudio specification using DESCRIPTION

	====~~Votes~~====		====Feedback====

	* +1 for using DESCRIPTION [[User:ManuSporny\|ManuSporny]] 06:45, 14 Aug 2007 (PDT)		* +1 for using DESCRIPTION [[User:ManuSporny\|ManuSporny]] 06:45, 14 Aug 2007 (PDT)
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	This also allows us to easily extend hAudio into the realm of podcasts, toplists, and other types of audio collections by adding a "*-title" property. For example, we could extend hAudio to support podcasts and podcast sections by adding a single property to hAudio: 'podcast-title'. 'track' would be used for each podcast section, in that use case.		This also allows us to easily extend hAudio into the realm of podcasts, toplists, and other types of audio collections by adding a "*-title" property. For example, we could extend hAudio to support podcasts and podcast sections by adding a single property to hAudio: 'podcast-title'. 'track' would be used for each podcast section, in that use case.

	===~~Votes~~===		===Feedback===

	* +1 for merging 'album-title' and 'track' into hAudio from hAlbum. [[User:ManuSporny\|ManuSporny]] 12:57, 8 Sep 2007 (PDT)		* +1 for merging 'album-title' and 'track' into hAudio from hAlbum. [[User:ManuSporny\|ManuSporny]] 12:57, 8 Sep 2007 (PDT)
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	* Make CONTRIBUTOR and TRACK accept short-forms that do not require VCARD or HAUDIO markup.		* Make CONTRIBUTOR and TRACK accept short-forms that do not require VCARD or HAUDIO markup.

	====~~Votes~~====		====Feedback====

	* +1 for making CONTRIBUTOR and TRACK easier to specify by allowing the short-form representation [[User:ManuSporny\|ManuSporny]] 20:03, 4 Oct 2007 (PDT)		* +1 for making CONTRIBUTOR and TRACK easier to specify by allowing the short-form representation [[User:ManuSporny\|ManuSporny]] 20:03, 4 Oct 2007 (PDT)

ManuSporny: /* Problem: CONTRIBUTOR and TRACK are not publisher friendly */

2007-10-14T18:27:52Z

Problem: CONTRIBUTOR and TRACK are not publisher friendly

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	We now have the ALBUM-TITLE and TRACK elements in hAudio, there is no longer a need for hAlbum.		We now have the ALBUM-TITLE and TRACK elements in hAudio, there is no longer a need for hAlbum.

	=Problem: CONTRIBUTOR and TRACK are not publisher friendly=		==Problem: CONTRIBUTOR and TRACK are not publisher friendly==
	hAudio ISSUE #12: {{ResolvedIssue}}		hAudio ISSUE #12: {{ResolvedIssue}}

	In order to specify a CONTRIBUTOR or TRACK, a publisher must use VCARD or HAUDIO mark up. This is annoying if the only piece of information being marked up is that of the artist name or the track name, which is usually what happens in most blog postings. We should provide a mechanism to make it easier for a publisher to blog about an album with a contributor or a track.		In order to specify a CONTRIBUTOR or TRACK, a publisher must use VCARD or HAUDIO mark up. This is annoying if the only piece of information being marked up is that of the artist name or the track name, which is usually what happens in most blog postings. We should provide a mechanism to make it easier for a publisher to blog about an album with a contributor or a track.

	== Possible Solutions ==		=== Possible Solutions ===

	We could enable this behavior by allowing the following short-form for TRACK, in addition to the HAUDIO long-form:		We could enable this behavior by allowing the following short-form for TRACK, in addition to the HAUDIO long-form:
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	* Make CONTRIBUTOR and TRACK accept short-forms that do not require VCARD or HAUDIO markup.		* Make CONTRIBUTOR and TRACK accept short-forms that do not require VCARD or HAUDIO markup.

	===Votes===		====Votes====

	* +1 for making CONTRIBUTOR and TRACK easier to specify by allowing the short-form representation [[User:ManuSporny\|ManuSporny]] 20:03, 4 Oct 2007 (PDT)		* +1 for making CONTRIBUTOR and TRACK easier to specify by allowing the short-form representation [[User:ManuSporny\|ManuSporny]] 20:03, 4 Oct 2007 (PDT)
	* +1 [[User:JulianStahnke\|Julian Stahnke]] 11 October 2007		* +1 [[User:JulianStahnke\|Julian Stahnke]] 11 October 2007

	=== Resolution ===		==== Resolution ====

	Short forms for CONTRIBUTOR and TRACK are proposed in the newest proposal and doesn't seem to cause any parsing problems or compatibility issues with other Microformats.		Short forms for CONTRIBUTOR and TRACK are proposed in the newest proposal and doesn't seem to cause any parsing problems or compatibility issues with other Microformats.