citation-strawman-01-brainstorming - Revision history

TobyInk: /* VoteLinks */ s/agreement/disagreement/

2008-08-13T07:55:33Z

VoteLinks: s/agreement/disagreement/

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	= VoteLinks =		= VoteLinks =

	<code>rel=footnote</code> is mentioned in the draft spec. This could be combined nicely with [[VoteLinks]]. For example, to indicate ~~agreement~~ with a book:		<code>rel=footnote</code> is mentioned in the draft spec. This could be combined nicely with [[VoteLinks]]. For example, to indicate disagreement with a book:

	<pre><nowiki><p>		<pre><nowiki><p>

TobyInk: votelinks combo

2008-08-12T23:09:37Z

votelinks combo

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	The term "identifier" is already available in OpenURL (because OpenURL includes all 15 of the main Dublin Core terms). It would be a plural property. By adding this property to the spec, three existing properties (ISBN, ISSN and EISSN) could be removed, and several other potential properties (SICI, BICI, DOI, CODEN, etc) would become unnecessary.		The term "identifier" is already available in OpenURL (because OpenURL includes all 15 of the main Dublin Core terms). It would be a plural property. By adding this property to the spec, three existing properties (ISBN, ISSN and EISSN) could be removed, and several other potential properties (SICI, BICI, DOI, CODEN, etc) would become unnecessary.

			= VoteLinks =

			<code>rel=footnote</code> is mentioned in the draft spec. This could be combined nicely with [[VoteLinks]]. For example, to indicate agreement with a book:

			<pre><nowiki><p>
			I was reading Joe Blogg's latest book
			[<a rel="footnote" rev="vote-against" id="#book">1</a>]
			and found numerous flaws in his arguments, which I shall
			outline below:
			</p>
			<!-- ... -->
			<ol>
			<li>
			<cite id="book" class="h3988">
			<i class="btitle">The Sky is Green</i> by
			<span class="au">Joe Bloggs</span>
			</cite>
			</li>
			</ol></nowiki></pre>

TobyInk: Identifier (Type, Value)

2008-08-12T10:37:20Z

Identifier (Type, Value)

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	** SICI/BICI could be added similarly. [[User:TobyInk\|TobyInk]] 05:49, 11 Aug 2008 (PDT)		** SICI/BICI could be added similarly. [[User:TobyInk\|TobyInk]] 05:49, 11 Aug 2008 (PDT)
	** And I'd add some text to the spec on the '''url''' property suggesting that parsers {{should}} recognise URIs matching particular patterns as special identifiers and be able to extract the ISBN/ISSN/EISSN/SICI/BICI/DOI/etc. A list of such patterns (e.g. <code><nowiki>http://dx.doi.org/%s</nowiki></code> would be provided in the spec. [[User:TobyInk\|TobyInk]] 05:49, 11 Aug 2008 (PDT)		** And I'd add some text to the spec on the '''url''' property suggesting that parsers {{should}} recognise URIs matching particular patterns as special identifiers and be able to extract the ISBN/ISSN/EISSN/SICI/BICI/DOI/etc. A list of such patterns (e.g. <code><nowiki>http://dx.doi.org/%s</nowiki></code> would be provided in the spec. [[User:TobyInk\|TobyInk]] 05:49, 11 Aug 2008 (PDT)

			= Identifier (Type, Value) =

			(Proposed by [[User:TobyInk\|TobyInk]])

			Along the same lines as tel/email/adr/label in [[hCard]], the format could use an identifier+type+value system for ISBN, ISSN, etc:
			<pre><nowiki><span class="identifier">
			<span class="type">ISBN</span>
			<span class="value">978-1-56619-909-4</span>
			</span></nowiki></pre>

			And, like "tel" and "email" in hCard, I'd also suggest allowing identifiers to be extracted from URLs:
			<pre><nowiki><a class="identifier" href="urn:isbn:9781566199094">ISBN 978-1-56619-909-4</a></nowiki></pre>
			with a predefined list of URL patterns to look for.

			The term "identifier" is already available in OpenURL (because OpenURL includes all 15 of the main Dublin Core terms). It would be a plural property. By adding this property to the spec, three existing properties (ISBN, ISSN and EISSN) could be removed, and several other potential properties (SICI, BICI, DOI, CODEN, etc) would become unnecessary.

TobyInk: eissn vs issn

2008-08-11T13:04:13Z

eissn vs issn

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	* I've had another request for this via e-mail, so it may well make an appearance. I'm going to look around to see how commonly used they are online (and whether they fall inside 80/20). If it turns out that they fall outside 80/20, you could still include them using the '''url''' property and a URL like http://dx.doi.org/10.1000/182, or it becomes approved as a URI/URN scheme <tt>doi:10.1000/182</tt> or <tt>urn:doi:10.1000/182</tt>. [[User:TobyInk\|TobyInk]] 05:22, 11 Aug 2008 (PDT)		* I've had another request for this via e-mail, so it may well make an appearance. I'm going to look around to see how commonly used they are online (and whether they fall inside 80/20). If it turns out that they fall outside 80/20, you could still include them using the '''url''' property and a URL like http://dx.doi.org/10.1000/182, or it becomes approved as a URI/URN scheme <tt>doi:10.1000/182</tt> or <tt>urn:doi:10.1000/182</tt>. [[User:TobyInk\|TobyInk]] 05:22, 11 Aug 2008 (PDT)
	** It may be that ISBN/ISSN/EISSN end up as '''url''' too. [[User:TobyInk\|TobyInk]] 05:22, 11 Aug 2008 (PDT)		** It may be that ISBN/ISSN/EISSN end up as '''url''' too. [[User:TobyInk\|TobyInk]] 05:22, 11 Aug 2008 (PDT)
			*** Problem: ISSNs and EISSNs share the same namespace. There does not appear to be a way of differentiating between them without a property to signify which is which.
	** SICI/BICI could be added similarly. [[User:TobyInk\|TobyInk]] 05:49, 11 Aug 2008 (PDT)		** SICI/BICI could be added similarly. [[User:TobyInk\|TobyInk]] 05:49, 11 Aug 2008 (PDT)
	** And I'd add some text to the spec on the '''url''' property suggesting that parsers {{should}} recognise URIs matching particular patterns as special identifiers and be able to extract the ISBN/ISSN/EISSN/SICI/BICI/DOI/etc. A list of such patterns (e.g. <code><nowiki>http://dx.doi.org/%s</nowiki></code> would be provided in the spec. [[User:TobyInk\|TobyInk]] 05:49, 11 Aug 2008 (PDT)		** And I'd add some text to the spec on the '''url''' property suggesting that parsers {{should}} recognise URIs matching particular patterns as special identifiers and be able to extract the ISBN/ISSN/EISSN/SICI/BICI/DOI/etc. A list of such patterns (e.g. <code><nowiki>http://dx.doi.org/%s</nowiki></code> would be provided in the spec. [[User:TobyInk\|TobyInk]] 05:49, 11 Aug 2008 (PDT)

TobyInk: more on DOIs, etc

2008-08-11T12:49:22Z

more on DOIs, etc

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	== H3988 brainstorming ==		<h1>H3988 brainstorming</h1>

	=== ~~Support~~ DOI ===		= Additional Properties =

			== DOI ==

	Support associating [http://www.doi.org/ Digitial Object Identifier (DOI) references] (used by [http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v454/n7205/full/454667a.html ''Nature''] for example) with citations.		Support associating [http://www.doi.org/ Digitial Object Identifier (DOI) references] (used by [http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v454/n7205/full/454667a.html ''Nature''] for example) with citations.
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	* I've had another request for this via e-mail, so it may well make an appearance. I'm going to look around to see how commonly used they are online (and whether they fall inside 80/20). If it turns out that they fall outside 80/20, you could still include them using the '''url''' property and a URL like http://dx.doi.org/10.1000/182, or it becomes approved as a URI/URN scheme <tt>doi:10.1000/182</tt> or <tt>urn:doi:10.1000/182</tt>. [[User:TobyInk\|TobyInk]] 05:22, 11 Aug 2008 (PDT)		* I've had another request for this via e-mail, so it may well make an appearance. I'm going to look around to see how commonly used they are online (and whether they fall inside 80/20). If it turns out that they fall outside 80/20, you could still include them using the '''url''' property and a URL like http://dx.doi.org/10.1000/182, or it becomes approved as a URI/URN scheme <tt>doi:10.1000/182</tt> or <tt>urn:doi:10.1000/182</tt>. [[User:TobyInk\|TobyInk]] 05:22, 11 Aug 2008 (PDT)
	** It may be that ISBN/ISSN/EISSN end up as '''url''' too. [[User:TobyInk\|TobyInk]] 05:22, 11 Aug 2008 (PDT)		** It may be that ISBN/ISSN/EISSN end up as '''url''' too. [[User:TobyInk\|TobyInk]] 05:22, 11 Aug 2008 (PDT)
			** SICI/BICI could be added similarly. [[User:TobyInk\|TobyInk]] 05:49, 11 Aug 2008 (PDT)
			** And I'd add some text to the spec on the '''url''' property suggesting that parsers {{should}} recognise URIs matching particular patterns as special identifiers and be able to extract the ISBN/ISSN/EISSN/SICI/BICI/DOI/etc. A list of such patterns (e.g. <code><nowiki>http://dx.doi.org/%s</nowiki></code> would be provided in the spec. [[User:TobyInk\|TobyInk]] 05:49, 11 Aug 2008 (PDT)

TobyInk: DOI - thoughts

2008-08-11T12:22:57Z

DOI - thoughts

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	--[[User:Benjamin Hawkes-Lewis\|Benjamin Hawkes-Lewis]] 23:24, 10 Aug 2008 (PDT)		--[[User:Benjamin Hawkes-Lewis\|Benjamin Hawkes-Lewis]] 23:24, 10 Aug 2008 (PDT)

			* I've had another request for this via e-mail, so it may well make an appearance. I'm going to look around to see how commonly used they are online (and whether they fall inside 80/20). If it turns out that they fall outside 80/20, you could still include them using the '''url''' property and a URL like http://dx.doi.org/10.1000/182, or it becomes approved as a URI/URN scheme <tt>doi:10.1000/182</tt> or <tt>urn:doi:10.1000/182</tt>. [[User:TobyInk\|TobyInk]] 05:22, 11 Aug 2008 (PDT)
			** It may be that ISBN/ISSN/EISSN end up as '''url''' too. [[User:TobyInk\|TobyInk]] 05:22, 11 Aug 2008 (PDT)

Benjamin Hawkes-Lewis: /* Support DOI */

2008-08-11T06:24:35Z

Support DOI

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	Support associating [http://www.doi.org/ Digitial Object Identifier (DOI) references] (used by [http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v454/n7205/full/454667a.html ''Nature''] for example) with citations.		Support associating [http://www.doi.org/ Digitial Object Identifier (DOI) references] (used by [http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v454/n7205/full/454667a.html ''Nature''] for example) with citations.

	--[[User:Benjamin Hawkes-Lewis\|Benjamin Hawkes-Lewis]] 23:24, 10 Aug 2008 (PDT)		--[[User:Benjamin Hawkes-Lewis\|Benjamin Hawkes-Lewis]] 23:24, 10 Aug 2008 (PDT)

Benjamin Hawkes-Lewis: /* Support DOI */

2008-08-11T06:24:11Z

Support DOI

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	Support associating [http://www.doi.org/ Digitial Object Identifier (DOI) references] (used by [http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v454/n7205/full/454667a.html ''Nature''] for example) with citations.		Support associating [http://www.doi.org/ Digitial Object Identifier (DOI) references] (used by [http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v454/n7205/full/454667a.html ''Nature''] for example) with citations.
			--[[User:Benjamin Hawkes-Lewis\|Benjamin Hawkes-Lewis]] 23:24, 10 Aug 2008 (PDT)

Benjamin Hawkes-Lewis at 06:23, 11 August 2008

2008-08-11T06:23:40Z

New page

== H3988 brainstorming ==

=== Support DOI ===

Support associating [http://www.doi.org/ Digitial Object Identifier (DOI) references] (used by [http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v454/n7205/full/454667a.html ''Nature''] for example) with citations.

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	* I've had another request for this via e-mail, so it may well make an appearance. I'm going to look around to see how commonly used they are online (and whether they fall inside 80/20). If it turns out that they fall outside 80/20, you could still include them using the '''url''' property and a URL like http://dx.doi.org/10.1000/182, or it becomes approved as a URI/URN scheme <tt>doi:10.1000/182</tt> or <tt>urn:doi:10.1000/182</tt>. [[User:TobyInk\|TobyInk]] 05:22, 11 Aug 2008 (PDT)		* I've had another request for this via e-mail, so it may well make an appearance. I'm going to look around to see how commonly used they are online (and whether they fall inside 80/20). If it turns out that they fall outside 80/20, you could still include them using the '''url''' property and a URL like http://dx.doi.org/10.1000/182, or it becomes approved as a URI/URN scheme <tt>doi:10.1000/182</tt> or <tt>urn:doi:10.1000/182</tt>. [[User:TobyInk\|TobyInk]] 05:22, 11 Aug 2008 (PDT)
	** It may be that ISBN/ISSN/EISSN end up as '''url''' too. [[User:TobyInk\|TobyInk]] 05:22, 11 Aug 2008 (PDT)		** It may be that ISBN/ISSN/EISSN end up as '''url''' too. [[User:TobyInk\|TobyInk]] 05:22, 11 Aug 2008 (PDT)
			*** Problem: ISSNs and EISSNs share the same namespace. There does not appear to be a way of differentiating between them without a property to signify which is which.
	** SICI/BICI could be added similarly. [[User:TobyInk\|TobyInk]] 05:49, 11 Aug 2008 (PDT)		** SICI/BICI could be added similarly. [[User:TobyInk\|TobyInk]] 05:49, 11 Aug 2008 (PDT)
	** And I'd add some text to the spec on the '''url''' property suggesting that parsers {{should}} recognise URIs matching particular patterns as special identifiers and be able to extract the ISBN/ISSN/EISSN/SICI/BICI/DOI/etc. A list of such patterns (e.g. <code><nowiki>http://dx.doi.org/%s</nowiki></code> would be provided in the spec. [[User:TobyInk\|TobyInk]] 05:49, 11 Aug 2008 (PDT)		** And I'd add some text to the spec on the '''url''' property suggesting that parsers {{should}} recognise URIs matching particular patterns as special identifiers and be able to extract the ISBN/ISSN/EISSN/SICI/BICI/DOI/etc. A list of such patterns (e.g. <code><nowiki>http://dx.doi.org/%s</nowiki></code> would be provided in the spec. [[User:TobyInk\|TobyInk]] 05:49, 11 Aug 2008 (PDT)