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	~~<!-- english: 16:54, 24 Apr 2008 -->~~		= xFolk の問題 =
	= xFolk ~~issues~~ =

	~~These are externally raised issues about~~ [[xfolk\|xFolk]] with broadly varying degrees of merit. Thus some issues are REJECTED for a number of obvious reasons (but still documented here in case they are re-raised), and others contain longer discussions. Some issues may be ACCEPTED and perhaps cause changes or improved explanations in the spec. Submitted issues may (and probably will) be edited and rewritten for better terseness, clarity, calmness, rationality, and as neutral a point of view as possible. Write your issues well. — [http://thecommunityengine.com/home Bud]		ここにあるのは、広く様々な長所のある [[xfolk-ja\|xFolk]] について外部から提起されたた問題です。ですから、明らかな理由で<strong>拒否</strong>している物もあります（が、再提起に備えてここに記録しておきます）し、長い議論を含んだ物もあります。<strong>受け入れ</strong>て仕様を変えることになったり説明を改善することになる物もあります。提起された問題は、編集して、よりよい、できる限り簡潔で明確で冷静で合理的で中立的な視点に立った文に書き換えられるかもしれません（し、恐らくそうなります）。[http://thecommunityengine.com/home Bud]

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	== ~~Issues~~ ==		== 問題 ==

	* {{OpenIssue}} 2007-01-01 ~~raised by~~ [[User:AndyMabbett\|Andy Mabbett]]		* {{OpenIssue}} 2007-01-01 [[User:AndyMabbett\|Andy Mabbett]] による問題提起
	*# ~~Applying a tag in an~~ xFolk ~~entry also applies it to the linking page. However, certain tags (e.g.~~ "NSFW"~~) may apply to the page linked to, but~~ '''''~~not~~''''' ~~to the linking page.~~		*# xFolk エントリーの中でタグを付けると、リンク元のページにもタグを付けることになります。ですが、（"NSFW"など）ある種のタグはリンク先には付けてもリンク元ページに付けるものでは'''''ありません'''''。

	2007-01-03 ~~addressed by~~ [[User:Bud\|Bud Gibson]]~~. Well, we had a lot of list discussion on this while creating xFolk. Actually, that was pre~~-list. The rationale is that the tags apply to the items in the container not the page simply by convention in xFolk. It's a specialization of reltag. The real question I think is what are the scoping rules for reltag. The assumption here is that the reltag tags only apply to the link within xfolkentry.		2007-01-03 [[User:Bud\|Bud Gibson]] による対応。えー、xFolk を作っている間に、このことに関するたくさんの議論リストが作られました。実際、これはリスト以前の問題でした。xFolk では、タグはコンテナ要素内の項目に適用される物で、ページのタグにはならないという原則です。これは特殊な [[rel-tag-ja\|rel-tag]] なのです。本当の問題はrel-tag の扱う範囲のルールが何なのかということでしょう。ここでの前提は、xfolkentry 内の rel-tag のタグはリンクにだけ適用されるということです。

	* {{OpenIssue}} *~~Why is this called "xFolk", and not, say,~~ xBookmark(s) or hBookmark(s)? [[User:AndyMabbett\|Andy Mabbett]] 09:16, 19 Nov 2006 (PST)		* {{OpenIssue}} *なぜ「xFolk」と呼ばれて、例えば xBookmark(s) や hBookmark(s)と呼ばれないのでしょう？ [[User:AndyMabbett\|Andy Mabbett]] 09:16, 19 Nov 2006 (PST)

	2007-01-03 ~~addressed by~~ [[User:Bud\|Bud Gibson]]~~. Mainly because the purpose of the microformat was originally to allow harvesting into aggregation services for creating "folksonomies".~~		2007-01-03 [[User:Bud\|Bud Gibson]] による対応。このマイクロフォーマットの目的が、元々アグリゲーションサービスが集めて「フォークソノミー」を作れるようにすることだったからというのが主な理由です。

	* {{OpenIssue}} 2006-06-12 ~~raised by~~ [[User:Singpolyma\|singpolyma]]		* {{OpenIssue}} 2006-06-12 [[User:Singpolyma\|singpolyma]] による問題提起
	*# ''~~using title attribute for the tagged link~~ <a> ~~element, if it exists, as the entry~~ title'' ~~-- I use the~~ title ~~attribute for a summary description, since this is more~~ [[XOXO]]~~-compatible. While I lose the ability to have xfolk harvest my descriptions that way, I'm not really worried about that. What I'm more worried about is xfolk using my descriptions as the title...~~		*# ''エントリーの題名には、もしあれば <a> 要素の title 属性を使う''――わたしは概要の説明に title 属性を使っています。その方が [[XOXO-ja\|XOXO]] と互換性があるからです。そのせいで xFolk がわたしの説明を収集できなくなっても、実際にはそれほど気にしません。それよりも、xFolk が説明を題名として扱うことが心配なのですが……。

	2007-01-03 ~~addressed by~~ [[User:Bud\|Bud Gibson]]~~. I'm in a quandary as to how to address this one. It seems like a basic incompatibility.~~		2007-01-03 [[User:Bud\|Bud Gibson]] による対応。これにどう対応するか困っています。根本的に相反するようです。

			* {{OpenIssue}} 2006-04-20 [[User:RCanine\|Ryan Cannon]] による問題提起
			*# ''問題１：xFolk はリストにすることが意図されていますが、全ての要素に <code>class="xfolkentry"</code> を付けなければならないのは退屈そうです。全ての子要素に<code>class="xfolkentry"</code>を適用させるようなコンテナ class を作ることは、実装上の問題があるのでしょうか？''

	* {{OpenIssue}} ~~2006~~-04-~~20 raised by~~ [[User:~~RCanine~~\|~~Ryan Cannon~~]]		* {{OpenIssue}} 2007-04-27 [[User:KevinMarks\|Kevin Marks]] による問題提起
	*# ~~''Issue 1: As xFolk is intended as a list, it seems tedious to have to place <code>class~~="~~xfolkentry~~"~~</code> on every element. Are there implementation problems with creating a container class with that implies <code>class~~="~~xfolkentry~~"~~</code> on every child node?.''~~		#* xFolk はどうして calss="taggedlink" を使うのだろう。rel の値の方が、リンクへのラベル付けとして意味的だから、rel="taggedlink" の方がいいと思う。
			# rel="taggedlink" にすると、"taggedlink" と "nofollow" の両方を付けることができないことになってしまいます。ソーシャルブックマークサービスは、（スパムが人気の的となることを避けるために）ユーザー作成の外部リンクに rel="nofollow" を適用してほしいと望むことがよくあります。class="taggedlink" を rel="nofollow" と組み合わせるのです。rel="taggedlink" では問題があります。
			#* どうして？　rel 属性は空白で区切ったリストを持てるのに。例：rel="taggedlink nofollow next"。

	* {{OpenIssue}} 2007-04-~~27 raised by~~ [[User:~~KevinMarks~~\|~~Kevin Marks~~]]		* {{OpenIssue}} 2007-08-12 [[User:TomMorris\|Tom Morris]] による問題提起
	*# ~~I wondered why xfolk uses class="taggedlink" rather than rel="taggedlink" as a rel value seems more semantic for labelling the link~~.		*# xFolk の形式は、手作業でエントリーを作ろうと思ったらとても冗長です。[http://rbach.priv.at/Microformats/IRC/2007-08-12#T195443 IRC discussion from 2007-08-12] 参照
	# rel="taggedlink" would mean you couldn't mark a link as both "taggedlink" and "nofollow". ~~Social bookmarking services often want to apply rel="nofollow" to their user~~-~~generated external links (to avoid being attractive targets for spam). class="taggedlink" combines with rel="nofollow". rel="taggedlink" would be a problem.~~
	#* Why? The rel attribute contains a space-~~separated list. e.g. rel="taggedlink nofollow next".~~

	* {{OpenIssue}} 2007-08-12 raised by [[User:TomMorris\|Tom Morris]]		== 関連ページ ==
	*# The syntax for xFolk is quite verbose if one wishes to enter it by hand. See [http://rbach.priv.at/Microformats/IRC/2007-08-12#T195443 IRC discussion from 2007-08-12]

	==~~Related pages~~==
	{{template:xfolk-related-pages}}		{{template:xfolk-related-pages}}
			*[[xfolk-ja\|xFolk]]（日本語）
			*[[xfolk-profile-ja\|xFolk メタデータプロファイル]]（日本語）

KitaitiMakoto: english: 16:54, 24 Apr 2008

2008-11-01T09:29:21Z

english: 16:54, 24 Apr 2008

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= xFolk issues =

These are externally raised issues about [[xfolk|xFolk]] with broadly varying degrees of merit. Thus some issues are REJECTED for a number of obvious reasons (but still documented here in case they are re-raised), and others contain longer discussions. Some issues may be ACCEPTED and perhaps cause changes or improved explanations in the spec. Submitted issues may (and probably will) be edited and rewritten for better terseness, clarity, calmness, rationality, and as neutral a point of view as possible. Write your issues well. — [http://thecommunityengine.com/home Bud]

== Template ==
{{issues-format}}

== Issues ==

* {{OpenIssue}} 2007-01-01 raised by [[User:AndyMabbett|Andy Mabbett]]
*# Applying a tag in an xFolk entry also applies it to the linking page. However, certain tags (e.g. "NSFW") may apply to the page linked to, but '''''not''''' to the linking page.

2007-01-03 addressed by [[User:Bud|Bud Gibson]]. Well, we had a lot of list discussion on this while creating xFolk. Actually, that was pre-list. The rationale is that the tags apply to the items in the container not the page simply by convention in xFolk. It's a specialization of reltag. The real question I think is what are the scoping rules for reltag. The assumption here is that the reltag tags only apply to the link within xfolkentry.

* {{OpenIssue}} *Why is this called "xFolk", and not, say, xBookmark(s) or hBookmark(s)? [[User:AndyMabbett|Andy Mabbett]] 09:16, 19 Nov 2006 (PST)

2007-01-03 addressed by [[User:Bud|Bud Gibson]]. Mainly because the purpose of the microformat was originally to allow harvesting into aggregation services for creating "folksonomies".

* {{OpenIssue}} 2006-06-12 raised by [[User:Singpolyma|singpolyma]]
*# ''using title attribute for the tagged link <a> element, if it exists, as the entry title'' -- I use the title attribute for a summary description, since this is more [[XOXO]]-compatible. While I lose the ability to have xfolk harvest my descriptions that way, I'm not really worried about that. What I'm more worried about is xfolk using my descriptions as the title...

2007-01-03 addressed by [[User:Bud|Bud Gibson]]. I'm in a quandary as to how to address this one. It seems like a basic incompatibility.

* {{OpenIssue}} 2006-04-20 raised by [[User:RCanine|Ryan Cannon]]
*# ''Issue 1: As xFolk is intended as a list, it seems tedious to have to place <code>class="xfolkentry"</code> on every element. Are there implementation problems with creating a container class with that implies <code>class="xfolkentry"</code> on every child node?.''

* {{OpenIssue}} 2007-04-27 raised by [[User:KevinMarks|Kevin Marks]]
*# I wondered why xfolk uses class="taggedlink" rather than rel="taggedlink" as a rel value seems more semantic for labelling the link.
*#* rel="taggedlink" would mean you couldn't mark a link as both "taggedlink" and "nofollow". Social bookmarking services often want to apply rel="nofollow" to their user-generated external links (to avoid being attractive targets for spam). class="taggedlink" combines with rel="nofollow". rel="taggedlink" would be a problem.
*#** Why? The rel attribute contains a space-separated list. e.g. rel="taggedlink nofollow next".

* {{OpenIssue}} 2007-08-12 raised by [[User:TomMorris|Tom Morris]]
*# The syntax for xFolk is quite verbose if one wishes to enter it by hand. See [http://rbach.priv.at/Microformats/IRC/2007-08-12#T195443 IRC discussion from 2007-08-12]

==Related pages==
{{template:xfolk-related-pages}}

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