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<h1>hCard advocacy</h1>
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Adding [[hcard|hCard]] to these sites would make them quite handy for their users and for being indexed:


== Online Profiles ==
=== User Profiles ===
Nearly every website that has a login has a page representing the public profile of the user that other users can see and interact with. Many such sites already [[hcard-implementations|support hCard]] (e.g. ClaimID.com, Flickr.com, Technorati.com). Here are some that I think would benefit from the addition of hCard to their profile / user pages, making them [[hcard-supporting-user-profiles]]. In addition, if such profiles have friends lists, we should encourage them to add support for [[hcard-xfn-supporting-friends-lists]].  Both of these help [[social-network-portability]] and help the site become a node on the [[open-social-web]].
Feel free to add more such sites that have a social network profile-like component and we'll see what we can do. [[User:Tantek|Tantek]] 17:44, 13 Dec 2006 (PST)
* Wikimedia - including this site, Wikipedia (See [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Microformats WikiProject Microformats]), Wikitravel, etc.
**It would be nice if <nowiki>[[User:YOURNAME]]</nowiki> links generated proper (mini)hCards. ([http://microformats.org/wiki?title=to-do&diff=12177&oldid=12173#Lazyweb per SteveIvy]; moved from 'to-do')
* Alexa.com has online profiles for domains with contact information.  Would be great if they could add hCard to those. 2007-04-18 [[User:Tantek]] requested of [[User:BenWest]] e.g.:
** http://www.alexa.com/data/details?url=alexa.com/
** http://www.alexa.com/data/details?url=w3.org/
* [http://dodgeball.com/ Dodgeball] profiles and venues need [[hcard|hCard]] for people and organizations
** [http://www.dodgeball.com/user?uid=30209 a profile]
** [http://www.dodgeball.com/venue?vid=23551 a venue] - could also use [[hreview|hReview]] for the user reviews listed there for the venue
* [http://idubyou.com/ i dub you]
* [http://www.icq.com/people ICQ, where they show people's profiles and have a few ways of contacting and/or connection to people.]
* http://youtube.com The very popular YouTube have profiles that do include some information that might use [[hcard|hCard]].
* [http://www.facebook.com Facebook] is a very popular (over 13 million members) community.
**Requested support of microformats in [http://flickr.com/photos/56624456@N00/1399881855/ openly asked question to Mark Zuckerberg (founder of Facebook) during Q&A at TechCrunch40 conference], and got [http://therealmccrea.wordpress.com/2007/09/18/facebook-to-support-open-standards/ lukewarm reply]. Glimmer of hope: "When it's important to our users, we'll do it."  Thus if you are a Facebook user, please make a request to them to support microformats and tell them it is important to you.  Feel free to add your name below. 2007-09-17 [[User:Tantek|Tantek]]
*** Additional notes of Mark's response to Q above: "fits into context of push to open up in more ways, but keep in mind we're a really small company, under 300, so with respect to open standards, it's a matter of priorities.  When it's important to our users we'll do it."  Notes taken by John McCrea of Plaxo at TechCrunch40 conference.
**Requested in message to developer, 2007-09-28 [[User:AndyMabbett|Andy Mabbett]]
* [http://pownce.com Pownce] - I'm talking with them, and have requested the following (and a bit more) as of 2007-07-29 - [[User:Tantek|Tantek]]
** needs to add class="photo" to image icon
*** 2007-09-02 success!
** needs to add class="note" to description
*** 2007-09-02 success!
** needs to add hCard+XFN to friends lists.
*** 2007-09-02 partial success, friends lists have hCard, have asked Daniel Burka to add rel="acquaintance" per [[xfn-clarifications#are_you_my_friend_yes_or_no|XFN clarifications for yes/no friend relationships]]. [[User:Tantek|Tantek]] 10:41, 3 Sep 2007 (PDT)
** 2007-09-02 note also XFN rel="me" success: http://pownce.com/t/notes/644806/
* [http://anobii.com Anobii] - I asked them if they could implement hCard-supporting profiles and XFN on 2007-10-05 - [[User:JulianStahnke|Julian Stahnke]]
** Response: We will definitely spend some time to consider the suggestion.
** Got another mail from one of their developers, they’re looking into it.
=== Company Profiles ===
* [http://getsatisfaction.com/ Satisfaction Unlimited], has company profiles, e.g. http://getsatisfaction.com/satisfaction/ that could be marked up with hCards. 
** Contacted Ted Grubb at the company and requested hCards for company and its employees for all their company profiles. [[User:Tantek|Tantek]] 11:24, 2 Sep 2007 (PDT)
== Online Venues ==
There are many sites that offer pages that represent organizations and venues that could benefit from being marked up with hCard. [http://local.yahoo.com/ Yahoo Local] venues are marked up with hCards for example. Here are some more sites that have venues that would benefit from hCard markup.
* Yelp.com
* http://opentable.com - a site for making restaurant reservations
** [[hcard|hCard]] for restaurants
** [[hcalendar|hCalendar]] for free busy times at restaurants
** [[hcalendar|hCalendar]] for your reservations
** Tantek has emailed a friend who is a former employee of OpenTable with the above three requests, in the hopes she can pass on the message.  In addition, Ryan King may know someone in marketing there. [[User:Tantek|Tantek]] 16:57, 30 Sep 2007 (PDT)
== Plugins for and modifications of web-applications ==
Many web-applications use plugin-systems to change their behavior and content. Most notable is probably web-forums and blogs. Many of these have a community of coders that develop plugins or code to modify the default behavior of these web-applications. Here are some sites where it might be interesting to develop hcard-related plugins/mods.
* forum-software
** http://www.phpbb.com
* blog-software
** http://b2evolution.net
==Telephone Directory Listings==
Telephone Directory Listings could usefully apply hCard to their results pages, e.g. (please add other examples!):
* [http://www.thephonebook.bt.com/ BT]
** '''Requested''' via [http://tinyurl.com/yhtdjy BT feedback form], 2006-11-13 [[User:AndyMabbett|Andy Mabbett]]
** BT confirm that they will consider this at their next re-build. 2006-12 [[User:AndyMabbett|Andy Mabbett]]
* [http://118118.com 118118.com]
** '''Requested''' via e-mail, 2006-11-13. [[User:AndyMabbett|Andy Mabbett]]
* [http://192.com/ 192.com]
** '''Requested''' via [http://www.192.com/support/feedback.cfm 192.com feedback form], 2007-03-07 [[User:AndyMabbett|Andy Mabbett]]
* [http://www.skype.com/intl/en-gb/download/features/skypefind/ SkypeFind]
** ''Requested''' via [http://support.skype.com/?_a=tickets&_m=submit Skype feedback form], 2007-03-16 [[User:AndyMabbett|Andy Mabbett]]
* [http://www.whitepages.com/ White Pages (USA/ Canada)]
* [http://www.whitepages.com.au/ White Pages (Australia)]
* [http://www.switchboard.com/ Stitchboard (USA)]]
* [http://people.yahoo.com/ Yahoo! People Search (USA)]
* [http://www.whowhere.com/ Lycos People Search (USA)]
* [http://www.bsnl.co.in/map.htm BSNL (India)]
* [http://www.saynoto0870.com/ saynoto0870.com] (UK listings of geo vs. non-geo equivalents)
** '''Requested''' by feedback form, 2007-10-13. [[User:AndyMabbett|Andy Mabbett]]
==Postal (ZIP) code Finders==
Postal code Finders could usefully apply hCard to their results pages. [[User:AndyMabbett|Andy Mabbett]] 12:09, 13 Nov 2006 (PST)
e.g. (please add other examples!):
*[http://pol.royalmail.com/dda/txt/pf.asp Royal Mail] (UK)
**Requested via [http://tinyurl.com/ya4hzu Royal Mail feedback form], 2006-11-13 [[User:AndyMabbett|Andy Mabbett]]
**Acknowledged 2006-11-30. [[User:AndyMabbett|Andy Mabbett]]
==Government hCard==
===UK Gov. hCard===
* Parliament: [http://www.parliament.uk/directories/hciolists/alms.cfm Alphabetical List of Members of Parliament] (see also [http://www.parliament.uk/directories/directories.cfm other lists of MPs and Lords]). [[User:AndyMabbett|Andy Mabbett]]
===Europe Gov. hCard===
* e.g. [http://www.europarl.org.uk/uk_meps/westmidlands.asp UK MEPs]
=== MAPLight ===
http://maplight.org/ can use a bunch of hCard markup, e.g.
* individual politicians, like [http://www.maplight.org/map/us/legislator/408/individuals Nancy Pelosi]
* mentions of politicians on interest pages like [http://www.maplight.org/map/us/interest/L1300 Teachers unions]
* their contact info of course: http://www.maplight.org/contact
Requested by [[User:Tantek|Tantek]] 12:13, 30 May 2007 (PDT) in person at the NetSquared2007 conference.
== Organization Contacts ==
Many companies and organizations have about or contact pages that could benefit from being marked up with hCard.  [http://technorati.com/about/contact.html Technorati's contact page] for example is both marked up with hCard and has a convenient "Add to Address Book" hCard to vCard converter link. The following company sites could benefit from similar markup (and, until user agents support hCards natively, "Add to Address Book" links). [[User:Tantek|Tantek]] 17:44, 13 Dec 2006 (PST)
*Adobe
**[http://www.adobe.com/aboutadobe/offices.html Adobe offices]
***Requested using contact form, 2006-12-14. [[User:AndyMabbett|Andy Mabbett]]
*Google
**Contacts, e.g.
*** [http://www.google.com/intl/en/contact/index.html Google.com contact page]
**** Requested by asking Google Employee KevinMarks via instant messaging to add hCard to that page along with a "Add to Address Book" link [[User:Tantek|Tantek]] 11:32, 10 Apr 2007 (PDT) and RyanKing in IRC
*** [http://www.google.co.uk/intl/en/contact/index.html Google UK], etc.
*[http://ibm.com/ IBM]
**[http://www.ibm.com/contact/us/ IBM contact page]
*** Requested by asking IBM employee Michael Kaply via IRC 2007-07-31 08:57am PDT: "how about getting hCard and 'Add to address book' links on the IBM contact page?"
*[http://www.mozilla.com/ Mozilla]
**[http://www.mozilla.com/en-US/about/legal.html Mozilla legal notices]
*Opera
**People, e.g. [http://people.opera.com/howcome/ Håkon Wium Lie]; could also be hResume
*W3C
**[http://www.w3.org/Consortium/contact W3C contact]
**[http://www.w3.org/People/all W3C Staff listing] and individual pages, e.g. [http://www.w3.org/People/Berners-Lee/ Tim Berners-Lee]
***Requested by e-mail. [[User:AndyMabbett|Andy Mabbett]]
== Individual hCards ==
Getting these sites to at least add hCard to their home page or contact info page and then [http://pingerati.net/ping/ ping Pingerati] would be an excellent start with getting them some experience with microformats and thinking about adding microformats to other places in their sites that make sense:
* [http://metaweb.com/ Metaweb Technologies]
** [http://www.freebase.com/ Freebase ]
==Trade directories==
* [http://www.booktrust.org.uk/info/search_publishers.php BookTrust (UK book publishers)]
* [http://www.gepir.org/ Global Electronic Party Information Register] (GEPIR) over 1 million companies
** Requested 2007-08-31 [[User:AndyMabbett|Andy Mabbett]]
==Store locators==
(see [http://www.google.com/search?q=%22store+locator%22 Google search for "store locator"]; "about 2,000,000" results!)
* [http://www.argos.co.uk/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ArgosGSGiftModeExitCmd?action=ArgosStoreLocatorMain?langId=-1&storeId=10001 Argos (UK)]
* [http://www.multimap.com/clients/places.cgi?client=asda_sf Asda (UK; part of WalMart)]
* [http://www.boots.com/storelocator/store_search.jsp Boots (UK)]
* [http://www.mcdonalds.co.uk/asp/locator/index.asp McDonalds (UK)]
* [http://www.tesco.com/storelocator/ Tesco (UK)]
==Other hCard==
* [http://www.imdb.com/ Internet Movie Database] (IMDb) for people (real, not characters), e.g. [http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000007/ Humphrey Bogart]. [[User:AndyMabbett|Andy Mabbett]] 02:49, 13 Nov 2006 (PST)
**Can't find contact info! [[User:AndyMabbett|Andy Mabbett]]
**See also example, below.
*Wikitravel
**e.g. [http://wikitravel.org/en/Birmingham_%28England%29 Wikitravel - Birmingham]
***[http://microformats.org/wiki?title=User_talk:MarkJaroski&curid=2699&diff=0&oldid=10663&rcid=19955 Wikitravel is about to hugely roll out hCard] Mark Jaroski
***See also [http://wikitravel.org/en/Wikitravel:Microformats Wikitravel:Microformats]
*[http://orlabs.oclc.org/Identities/ WorldCat Identities]
**The recently prototyped WorldCat Identities provides pages for 20 million 'identities', mainly authors and people who are the subjects of published titles.
**Requested by feedback form, 2007-03-09 [[User:AndyMabbett|Andy Mabbett]]
** No reply, as of 02:02, 13 Jun 2007 (PDT)
*[http://geonames.org GeoNames]
**Requested by e-mail, 2007-06-07 [[User:AndyMabbett|Andy Mabbett]]
**Reply confirms that they will deploy hCard and Geo
**Geo noted in use, 06:08, 30 Jul 2007 (PDT)
*[http://www.oup.com/oxforddnb/info/ Oxford Dictionary of National Biography] (ODNB); subscription based, but [http://www.oxforddnb.com/public/lotw/ some ODNB articles available free]. All 56,000+ entries have Date of Death.
*[http://www.findagrave.com/ Find-a-Grave] e.g. [http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=680 Karl Marx]. Most entries have Date of Death.
*[http://www.biography.com/ Biography.com] e.g. [http://www.biography.com/impressionists/monet-bio.jsp Camille Monet] Most posthumous entries have Date of Death.
*[http://www.cwgc.org/ Commonwealth War Graves Commission] (1.75 million  people's details)
**E-mail sent 2007-08-24. [[User:AndyMabbett|Andy Mabbett]]
*Civil Aviation Authority; UK aircraft register
** e.g [http://www.caa.co.uk/application.aspx?catid=60&pagetype=65&appid=1&mode=detailnosummary&fullregmark=G-MOUR G-MOUR]
== Successes ==
*Details of hCard should be added to the [http://www.imc.org/pdi/ Internet Mail Consortium's vCard page]
**Requested by e-mail, 2006-11-24 [[User:AndyMabbett|Andy Mabbett]]
**'''Success''' achieved 2006-11-25. [[User:AndyMabbett|Andy Mabbett]]
*W3C
**'''W3C webmaster''' [http://www.w3.org/People/Jean-Gui/ Jean-Guilhem Rouel] now has an hCard. [[User:AndyMabbett|Andy Mabbett]] 15:41, 4 Apr 2007 (PDT)
* [http://jpgmag.com/ JPG magazine] - have sent email to their web developer with sample marked up member profile with [[hcard|hCard]] and [[xfn]] [[rel-me|rel="me"]]. [[User:Tantek|Tantek]] 23:48, 21 Feb 2007 (PST)
** [[hcard|hCard]]+[[xfn]] [[rel-me|rel="me"]] support as of March 2007.
* Twitter.com - working on it [[User:Tantek|Tantek]] 17:44, 13 Dec 2006 (PST). 
** Completed [[hcard|hCard]]+[[xfn]]+[[hatom|hAtom]] support last week with help from Chris Messina. [[User:Tantek|Tantek]] 12:01, 16 May 2007 (PDT)
* Consumating.com - working on it [[User:Tantek|Tantek]] 17:44, 13 Dec 2006 (PST)
** [[hcard|hCard]] profiles, [[hcalendar|hCalendar]] events as of March 2007.
* [http://sunlightlabs.com/api/ SunlightLabs API] provides profiles for US Congresspeople.  Their [http://sunlightlabs.com/api/masterref/megatable.php megatable] could easily be marked up with hCard, and their APIs could return hCards and hCard fields.
** [[User:Tantek|Tantek]] 12:30, 20 Apr 2007 (PDT) contacted them and requested that they add hCard to megatable, consider a GethCard API method, and potentially a GethResume API method for each person.
** [[User:CarlAnderson|CarlAnderson]] 26 Apr 2007: http://sunlightlabs.com/api does now have a people.getHCard.php API method to get an hCard for every member of congress. See the documentation at http://sunlightlabs.com/api/people.getHCard.php. An example call: http://api.sunlightlabs.com/people.getHCard.php?id=fakeopenID1
** [[User:CarlAnderson|CarlAnderson]] 30 Apr 2007: I created a page of hCards for every member of congress: http://sunlightlabs.com/api/hcards/index.php
===Wikpedia hCard===
*Infobox Templates for people mostly now have [[hcard|hCard]] in their generated markup
** [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Infobox_Person Infobox_Person]; e.g. [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/E._O._Wilson E. O. Wilson]
** [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Infobox_actor Infobox_actor]; e.g. [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Humphrey_Bogart Humphrey Bogart]
*Addressable buildings e.g. [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Old_Crown%2C_Birmingham The Old Crown, Birmingham]
*Tourist attractions, e.g. [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cadbury_World%2C_Birmingham Cadbury World]
*Companies, e.g. [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tesco Tesco] (note headquarters address in infobox)
*Railway Stations, e.g. [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perry_Barr_railway_station Perry Barr]
*etc.
*See also [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Microformats WikiProject Microformats] [[User:AndyMabbett|Andy Mabbett]] 13:10, 28 Jan 2007 (PST)
* See also [[persondata|discussion of Wikipedia's Persondata]], which aligns very closely with hCard, but has additional date and place of birth & death fields. [[User:AndyMabbett|Andy Mabbett]] 13:23, 28 Mar 2007 (PDT)
Some microformat data is now (2007-09-14) being removed from Wikipedia; see, for example [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_Gaudi_Buildings&diff=prev&oldid=157704557 List_of_Gaudi_Buildings]
==See also==
*[[advocacy]] (in particular see [[advocacy#Geo|Geo advocacy]] - for the Geo microformat, including cases where it may be used inside hCard)
*[[advocacy-email-samples]]
{{hcard-related-pages}}

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