value-class-pattern-issues

<entry-title>Value Class Pattern Issues</entry-title> Open issues concerning the parsing of the value excerption pattern.

Open Issues

These issues are awaiting resolution and reflection in the specification, but may not be blockers on the implementation of the specification.

Excluded Fields

• There seem to be some properties within which value excerpting is NOT allowed (or should not be allowed!) e.g. "type" in hCard. TobyInk 07:38, 22 May 2008 (PDT)
  • You mean type as a sub-property of tel? That's one of the identified machine-data items that needs a means of including the publisher's choice text along with the microformat specified one. Not to conflate two separate issues, but just noting that separation of type text and type value needs to be handled somewhere, and value-excerption-pattern could be considered as part of the solution. BenWard 07:54, 22 May 2008 (PDT)
  • Some fields make sense to exclude this, as it seems unintuitive, and can be used to avoid many of nested-microformat problems that may avoid a messier mfo pattern. E.g. entry-summary and entry-content in hAtom, both could very feasibly have nested formats or any kind, but doesn't strike me as useful to segregate into "value" at all. BenWard 10:41, 6 Jun 2008 (PDT)
  • Total other alternative, make value-excerption opt-in. Would need a bit of effort to go through all the specs and clarify, but actually might make more sense. It's a useful pattern for some properties (especially those with data patterns). BenWard 10:41, 6 Jun 2008 (PDT)
  • Setting the rules over depth-of-parsing (see below) to children-only would obviate the remaining need for this issue.

White-space behavior when concatenating value nodes

• We specify that no characters get inserted between concatenated occurrences of ‘value’. Need to audit all properties to ensure that this behavior would be correct in all cases.
  • Possibly specify that individual properties can override this behavior, specifying a separator character.
  • Possibly specify that this should be a provision of parsing implementations, so as to maintain flexibility for future publishing.

Depth of Parsing

Currently any descendent is parsed, which causes issues if a microformat field using the value-excerption-pattern is nested within another.

Example:

<div class="hentry vevent">
    <h1 class="entry-title summary">Party on Sunday!</h1>
    <div class="updated published">Tuesday <span class="value">2008-06-17</span></div>
    <p class="entry-content description">We're having a party on <span class="dtstart">Sunday, at 7pm! 
        <span class="value">2008-06-22T19:00:00+0100</span></span>. Please bring your friends!</p>
</div>

In this example, hAtom and hCalendar are interleaved. The DTSTART property of the event is contained within the entry-content of the hAtom entry, using the value-excerption-pattern to include the machine-data datetime. However, with full descendent parsing, the hAtom model will come out as the following:

ENTRY
    ENTRY-TITLE=Party on Sunday!
    UPDATED= 2008-06-17
    PUBLISHED=2008-06-17
    ENTRY-CONTENT=2008-06-22T19:00:00+0100

• e.g. an hCalendar vevent nested inside hAtom entry-content must not result in entry-content parsing as 20080627T12:34:00+100.
• e.g. hCalendar defines organizer, which may be an hCard, which may have a tel property containing a sub-property value. Under these parsing rules, the entire organizer field would be parsed as the telephone number.

• Cognition copes with this OK -- the organizer is parsed as a full contact with an hCard - not just a number. TobyInk 07:38, 22 May 2008 (PDT)
  • Ah, but if a parser were written just as an hCalendar parser, with no hCard support? Cognition already understands that hCard is something special. BenWard 07:54, 22 May 2008 (PDT)
    • Hence mfo TobyInk 11:19, 22 May 2008 (PDT)

Possible resolutions:

• Specify the mfo (‘microformat object’) class be used when nesting microformats, as a processing instruction to parsers not to parse unrelated nested items
• Specify that value must only be read from children, not from all descendants. Restrictive, unlikely to work for existing hCard TEL usage.
• Specify the above (parse children, not all descendants), but allow individual properties (such as tel to override and parse all descendants. This would result in a parse-depth flag on all fields, and many getting overridden for all descendants, but again, seems to be a well structured solution. Property name dictionaries in parsers would have to include the depth flag with the property.
  • This may break existing published microformats. TobyInk 07:25, 22 Jun 2008 (PDT)

Parsing title from Empty value Elements

Moved to: value-excerption-pattern-brainstorming

Parsing the value-excerption-pattern in combination with the ABBR-pattern

• How does <span class="country-name"><abbr class="value" title="Great">G</abbr> <span class="value">Britain</span></span> parse?
  • The main issue with this example is the lack of any explicit whitespace between the values. Under present parsing rules, this will parse as "GreatBritain". TobyInk 15:20, 6 Jul 2008 (PDT)

Closed Issues

These issues are closed, and either dismissed with reason, or the specification has been updated in resolution.

Nested value

Should <span class="value">Foo <span class="value">Bar</span></span> parse as foo bar or bar? Should value elements be allowed to be nested within value elements?

Resolution: Disallowed. Deemed complex to parse, and unnecessary when publishing.

Related Pages

• value-excerption-pattern
• value-excerption-pattern-brainstorming
• value-excerption-dt-separation-test
• value-excerption-value-title-test
• machine-data