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* In addition, naming a document "-recommendation" at this point is quite premature, especially when there is much work to be done in both doing the work and cleaning up of [[citation-examples]], [[citation-formats]], and [[citation-brainstorming]]. If this is meant to be a record of notes or a summary of a discussion, then it should be a notes page, e.g. see for example [[geo-bof-2005-06-30]].  Thanks,  -Tantek
* In addition, naming a document "-recommendation" at this point is quite premature, especially when there is much work to be done in both doing the work and cleaning up of [[citation-examples]], [[citation-formats]], and [[citation-brainstorming]]. If this is meant to be a record of notes or a summary of a discussion, then it should be a notes page, e.g. see for example [[geo-bof-2005-06-30]].  Thanks,  -Tantek
** I will write-up the notes for the irc-meeting shortly and post them to the appropriate place. In the mean-time the general consenus was that we have closed on the exploration phase of the citation microformat. We have solid goals and are moving to implementation. Admittably the citation pages need some serious clean-up, but there is no need to halt progress in the development/itteration phase for those who are helping to move forward the format. -[http://suda.co.uk/ brian]
** I will write-up the notes for the irc-meeting shortly and post them to the appropriate place. In the mean-time the general consenus was that we have closed on the exploration phase of the citation microformat. We have solid goals and are moving to implementation. Admittably the citation pages need some serious clean-up, but there is no need to halt progress in the development/itteration phase for those who are helping to move forward the format. -[http://suda.co.uk/ brian]
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*** Considering any "exploration" "closed" regarding a microformat makes no sense at all when the work to complete the necessary pages per the [[process]] has yet to happen.  I'm moving this page to a name more reflecting of its consideration within the process, just notes. -Tantek
*** Considering any "exploration" "closed" regarding a microformat makes no sense at all when the work to complete the necessary pages per the [[process]] has yet to happen.  I'm moving this page to a name more reflecting of its consideration within the process, just notes. -Tantek

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Summary

A citation microformat needs to cover four uses:

  1. full, bibliographic citations, eg "The Title Of An Article. Smith J. Journal Title (1987). 46:1; 23-35." This is the main citation microformat and should contain all the information necessary to locate the item and create a text citation in all the common formats (MLA, APA, etc).
  2. minimal, inline citations in text, eg (Smith, 1987). These generally link to an item in the bibliography using a fragment identifier.
  3. full, inline citations in text, eg following a blockquote.
  4. description of the current item/page, including title, creator, date etc.

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Notes from the Meetup

NOTES for the 2006-04-09 IRC Citation meetup

ATTENDEES:

Discussion Topics:

What is a citation?

Before launching into building a citation microformat, everyone should be on the same page as to what we are trying to define. So our working definition of a citation is:

citation: a short description that points to a fuller description elsewhere, either in a note or a reference list

reference item: a fuller description; also called a bibliographic entry or item

bibliography: a collection of citations

see: http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Bibliographic_Project%27s_Developer_Page#Terminology


Scope of this microformat

3 Areas discussed:

1. citation information about the current page

2. citation information about a cited reference

3. inline citations, a form of #2

(these are 3 views of the same data)

Reuse of existing microformats, hCard for authors and publishers, hCalendar for dates and times.

Not a flat model.

Formats discussed:

Other ideas:

The core set of properties should account for the following basic structures:

Collection includes subclasses like Periodical (and in turn Journal and such) and Series. http://purl.org/net/biblio

Conclusion:

Start a draft model for everyone to look into, another straw proposal

Current problems

Straw Proposals

These straw thoughts/proposals should be on the citation-brainstorming page, not here, along with some citation (so to speak ;) of the proposer. -Tantek

Microformat for inline citations

<cite>
<a href="#ref-1">1</a>
</cite>
<cite>
<a href="#ref-1">Smith, 2002</a>
</cite>


Microformat for a generic bibliography citation

<li class="citation" id="ref-1">
<span class="title">
 <a class="url" href="http://dx.doi.org/[DOI]">[item title]</a>
</span>
<span class="creator vcard">
 <span class="n">
  <span class="family-name">[surname]</span>, 
  <abbr title="[given-name]" class="given-name">[initial]</abbr>
 </span>
</span>
<span class="creator vcard">
 <span class="n">
  <span class="family-name">[surname]</span>, 
  <abbr title="[given-name]" class="given-name">[initial]</abbr>
 </span>
</span>
<abbr class="date-published" title="YYYY-MM-DDTHH:MM:SS+ZZ:ZZ">[year]</abbr>
</li>


Note: for an full inline citation, the
<li class="citation" id=""></li>
would be replaced by
<cite></cite>
and there would not be a link to a local fragment.


Note: for a self citation, the
<li class="citation" id=""></li>
would be replaced by
<span|div class="citation self"></span|div>


Additional elements for a journal article citation

class="citation article"
<span class="container">
 <span class="title">
  <a class="url" href="http://dx.doi.org/[doi]">[journal title]</a>
 </span>
 <abbr class="date-published" title="YYYY-MM-DDTHH:MM:SS+ZZ:ZZ">[year]</abbr>
 <span class="volume">[volume no.]</span>
 <span class="issue">[issue no.]</span>
 <abbr class="uri" title="urn:issn/[issn]"/>
</span>

<span class="pages">[start-page]-[end-page]</span>
<abbr class="uri" title="info:pmid/[PMID]"/>

Additional elements for a book citation

class="citation book"
<span class="container">
 <span class="title">
  <a class="url" href="http://dx.doi.org/[doi]">[book title]</a>
 </span>
 <span class="subtitle">[book subtitle]</span>
 <span class="publisher vcard">[publisher]</span>
 <span class="editor vcard">[editor]</span>
 <abbr class="date-published" title="YYYY-MM-DDTHH:MM:SS+ZZ:ZZ">[year]</abbr>
 <abbr class="uri" title="urn:isbn:[isbn]"/>
</span>

<span class="pages">[start-page]-[end-page]</span>

BDarcus: this looks good. I wonder, though, about two issues.

1. why not just title and abbreviatedTitle instead of title and subtitle?

2. date-published with books in particular is a can of worms. My book, for example, has a copyright date of 2006 (which is what one would include in the citation) but an actual publication date sometime in late-2005. The specificity of date-published is thus misleading. What we're really talking about is a copyright date. I wonder if the above might not be better with two classes: date and copyright? So then these classes of dates: date, copyright, issued (more generic than published). That slso fits dc and qualified dc.

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